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NCIS Round Table: "Revenge"

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Our NCIS review broke down "Revenge," this week's episode, in detail.

Now, TV Fanatic staff members Steve Marsi, Douglas Wolfe and Christine Orlando have assembled for our weekly Round Table Q&A discussion of various events and topics from this installment.

Join in as we analyze another entertaining hour of TV's #1 show!

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1. How would you describe this week's episode in one word (or two, or three, or four)?

Doug: Absolute closure.

Christine: The Beginning of the Fall.

Steve: Going rogue.

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2. What was your favorite quote or scene from "Revenge?"

Doug: I liked the entire episode. If I had to pick just one scene it would have to be the elevator scene with Tony and Tim: McGee: "If you don't like my rules you can find someone else to drive you in." Tony: "All I wanted was to stop for coffee. I was willing to treat." McGee: "No one eats or drinks in my car." Tony: "Well I guess sex is out of the question." We saw Tony shake his head a bit afterwards, as if he just heard what he said. I actually burst out laughing.

Christine: I liked when Tony returned the plunger to Gibbs. The poor guy is scrambling trying to figure out how to help Ziva and what to do next. Unfortunately I'm not sure Gibbs was much help this time.

Steve: There were so many, but I particularly enjoyed these three: 1) Gibbs knowing Tony would need coffee because he got a ride from McGee; 2) McGee using the NYC foliage phenomenon to pinpoint Bodnar's location, and Bodnar having used it to throw NCIS off his trail; 3) Gibbs quietly covering up whatever he's building in the basement. What do you think it is?!

3. What, if anything, did you not like about the episode?

Doug: There were a number of problems with it. First off: Bodnar had no qualms about shooting Eli - so why didn't he finish the job on Ziva and Tony after t-boning their car? It isn't logical - except for the fact that the writers couldn't exactly kill off two of their main characters. I didn't like that Ziva had qualms about shooting Bodnar just because he didn't have his gun out. I found it unbelievable that in a fight between two equally-trained Mossad agents, the man didn't win out. It's basic physiology: men are typically stronger than women, with more muscle mass. Also Ziva was still feeling the pain of her injuries. A more believable storyline would have had him knock her out and escape (since the writers couldn't obviously have him kill her).

Christine: I understand Ziva slipping back into her all business persona but I have grown tired of the one step forward, three steps back we get between her and Tony. She's holding his hand and making goo goo eyes at him one minute and then barely speaking to him the next. I understand why but I still don't like it.

Steve: That neither Ziva and Tony were more injured in the crash. Not that I wish either character harm, but the cliffhanger ending and climactic scene from the previous week lost a lot of its power when they were suddenly fine. Yes, she was shown in serious pain throughout the episode, but as Doug says, that didn't stop her from taking down Bodnar.

4. Did Ziva do the right thing?

Doug: Her motives, and those of Vance were understandable. However, no, she did the wrong thing. Her mandate as a federal agent was to bring him in, if possible. Her - and NCIS' - specific mandate was to stand down and let Homeland take over. Personally, she did the right thing for herself. Legally, not so much.

Christine: Was what she did understandable? Completely. Was it right? No. They needed him alive and if she hadn't run off and gone rogue perhaps that could have happened.

Steve: In her mind, she did the only thing.

5. Were you surprised Bodnar was taken out with two episodes left in Season 10? Or at all?

Doug: Great question. Yes, I was surprised, and expected his storyline to continue until the end of the season and maybe continue into the next. I was also surprised that Bodnar proved to be the guy behind Eli's death. He had told Ziva that all was not as it seems, and so there was an expectation that the plot was more muddied than it first appeared. To be sure, it is - but only around the death of Arash Kazmi.

Christine: Yes, I expected them to be chasing him until the end. Now I'm guessing the story arc will be about the consequences of Bodnar's death for the team.

Steve: Absolutely. With two episodes to go I don't know how they'll match the intensity, or where they'll take the overall narrative heading into Season 11. But I'm excited to find out.

6. Colin Hanks guest stars next week as DOD investigator Richard Parsons. What impact will he have on the team? What will the fallout be?

Doug: I think he's going to have a devastating impact on the team. He's going to call into question their whole command structure, and will therefore be looking for blood. I doubt anyone - well, maybe except Abby - to come away unscathed. Although even she might be impacted. Basically, anyone who had anything to do with assisting Ziva in her hunt for Bodnar will be brought up on the carpet. At a minimum, I expect Ziva to be charged with arson, or perhaps even murder (though she could claim self-defense).

Christine: Huge fallout. (See my answer to question #1.) Vance was given far too many warnings for there not to be serious consequences. We'll see who still has a job at the end of the season and if anyone is brought up on charges. Needless to say, it won't be pretty.

Steve: He's obviously going to have a huge impact, and there will be ramifications after the way this was all handled. My question is this, though: Is the case even over, beyond the internal investigation? Or are there more loose ends pertaining to Bodnar, Mossad and Eli?

What's your take on these issues of the week on NCIS? Discuss below!

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@SAM I totally agree and considering he was sort of confessing (Dropping little hints I guess). Yes, she shouldn't have gone after him but she didn't attack first, he did so she also had the right to defend herself and I believe he knew she was injured. She is gonna pay the price but I hope not murder or arson. I hope they just ban her from field work. THAT SHOULD BE THE PUNISHMENT! And a bored Ziva is so fun to watch xD

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Sue Ann Your cat does that too! :)

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l'empress You've got a point about the different writers, though technically it's supposed to be the job of the showrunner to ensure a degree of consistency in terms of characterisation, plot and relationships.

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@Keith Vlasak Hadn't exactly intended to have a graphic representation of the reasons right there, but the cat walked over the keyboard (again).

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@ l'empress You are not the only one who feels that the Tony/Ziva relationship is not wondrous and right for the characters. However, I approach it from the view that Tony can do better, not Ziva. Same goal, different reasons. Still, I think that is the final intention of the writers, if CdP renews her contract. I keep remembering the final episode of J*A*G, which stretched out the relationship between Mac and Harm to a length beyond ridiculous. @Keith Vlasak 'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished, being able to edit our posts. We should start a lobby ... @Keith Vlasak "Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished, being able to edit our posts. We should start a lobby ...

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I don't like the yes-no relationship between Tony and Ziva, but I think this is the result of different writers who don't really understand it. As a minority of one -- who has studied the brother-sister relationship for 70 years, I continue to feel that Ziva can do better.

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I thought this one ROCKED as for bodnar being able to beat ziva in hand to hand fighting WRONG I DO NOT CARE how big or how strong someone is or how well trained they are the human body has weak points that can be attacked and if done right a small woman can bring down ANYONE if she knows what she is doing and lets not forget that he had HER FATHER KILLED that alone would motivate ANYONE into going ABOUT AND BEYOND what most can do how do I know what someone can do in hand to hand combat BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN IT up close and personal

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If Ziva had wanted to kill Bodnar, she would have just shot him dead and then made it look like he resisted arrest -- which is just exactly what he did. If she did kill him -- we didn't see what exactly happened, though my guess is, considering how he came over the rail and hit the ground is that she either gave him one hell of a kick or, more likely, somehow got him to let go of whatever grip around her throat or other body part he might have had -- which caused him to go backwards over the rail. At any rate, like it or not, once he started resisting arrest, she had every right to defend herself, even if it meant taking his life in the process. But yes, she shouldn't have gone after him at all. And she probably will pay some price for it. But maybe not as high a price as apparently Gibbs will.

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He better leave them especially Ziva alone. Gibbs needs to give him a Head Slap

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I just realized I took "Just Asking, But" as a continuation/a part of Sue Ann's message -- and should have addressed my answer to @Just Asking, But. I hope someday they allow us to edit our posts.

NCIS Season 10 Episode 22 Quotes

There's something you and NCIS must know. As much as I didn't like or trust Arash Kazmi, I did not kill him. There are others who are responsible for the assassination of your father's Iranian friend.

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Gibbs: So do we? Lay off?
Vance: The man killed my wife, Gibbs.

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