White Collar Review: "Forging Bonds" Comments (Page 2)
32 Comments
Chandel Charles Rank: Staff Member
January 27th, 2011 4:17 PM
@Orian---very short, sweet and precise...and also very likely, and thanks for putting the timeline into perspective for us!
@Lannie---glad this was a favorite, it definitely ranked in my top five and I found myself evolving my assessment of Kate from actually getting to see her. I'm not sure who I ship more, but all three ladies would be fun to see, no matter which they chose or whether they brought someone back from limbo :p
@Porter---also very to the point, and I hope they capitalize on the opportunity the show has created as well
@Suzanne---I think the favor will be more involved than that, perhaps for her to work a case with them or something? Also, just because Kate becomes part of the show doesn't necessarily mean the show has to end. While the premise of the show started with Neal and Kate, I am sure the writers are clever enough to write some amazing stories about the evolving relationships between characters with Kate involved as well.
@Gaby---thanks for your stron
Chandel Charles Rank: Staff Member
January 27th, 2011 4:05 PM
@Rayla---I think part of her hiding from him was not as much a matter of hiding as a matter of being kidnapped. Because she was part of the conning and so important to Neal, Adler took advantage of that fact, blackmailed some lower level folks like Adler, and made Kate a pawn to get to Neal. Then again, that's just what I think, so I could be completely wrong....
@Mary Beth---I, too, wonder what the big surprise will be, and we'll just have to wait and see what happens...apparently Jeff Eastin tweeted this review, so hopefully he saw you're comment and will resolve our need to know what happens as soon as possible
@Mary---I'm not sure I'm willing to write Kate off as Adler's girl just yet. As I put in the quote section, Adler made a comment to the effect of, "The things we try to hide are most obvious to those around us," so obviously he could see right through Neal. But let's be honest, Kate seemed pretty upset when they found out that Adler had gone to ground, I don't think she
TeamKate
January 27th, 2011 3:02 PM
@Cass
Peter was wrong. He didn't/doesn't know Kate, and he doesn't know their relationship. Kate spent four years of her life waiting for Neal, why would she do that just for a laugh? NO, she loved him. She let Folwer take her to protect Neal.
She forgave him for lying all about his identity, she broke up with her long term boyfriend to be with him, she became a con for him. What else does this chick have to do?
I probably side with her partly because of how mysterious she is plus she is mega gorgeous her eyes are amazingly blue. I like the fact you don't know the whole story and Neal doesn't have all the power in the relationship, it's very in the air.
Cass
January 27th, 2011 12:24 PM
I loved this episode, and it was great to get Neal and Kate's origins. It was obvious that Neal was very much in love with her, but I am still not convinced that Kate cared for him like he cared for her. I wanted to be after this episode, but I think Peter's observation that there wasn't concern in her eyes was really alluding to something. Maybe I'm wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if she was working for Adler the entire time. And no discredit to the actress, but I just could not see what Neal loved about her character. And until the writers reveal who she really was, I'm still going to be suspicious of her.
ilovewhitecollar
January 27th, 2011 12:10 PM
I love Neal&Kate, Bomer's hair in the episode was hot, I love his hair the 'flashback' way.
Bring back Kate, this episode made me Neal&Kate crazy :D
Gaby
January 27th, 2011 12:06 PM
I always knew even in S1 Kate wasn't betraying Neal. People can be stupid. She waited 4 YEARS, just to turn around and betray him...come on. She was the victim, that stupid guy refusing to let her go back to Neal and then Burke (as much as I heart him) saying she dumped you, she's against you...bla bla bla it was like shut up, you don't know their relationship. She visited him EVERY WEEK for FOUR YEARS.
Fingers crossed Kate is alive.
Suzanne
January 27th, 2011 10:33 AM
I'm wondering now if the favor that Neal owes Sarah will be to give her the Raphael that he admitted to Kate he stole?
Also wonder if Kate is not dead that she could come back at the end of season three in order to have a lovely ending to this story. But then that would mean that Bomer had moved on to movies and no longer a White Collar show. He deserves that but I hope it is not true.
Porter
January 27th, 2011 5:16 AM
Love Neal and Kate. She needs to come back otherwise it's a waste of an truly great storyline. The flashback proved how great they were together.
Kate better be alive.
Lannie
January 27th, 2011 5:13 AM
My favorite episode so far!!!!! Season 1 they made Kate look like the villian so I wasn't sure I liked her, but I LOVE HER NOW! She is awesome. I don't want her to be dead. Neal and Kate's reunion would be so freakin awesome. I was super glad Neal and Kate had so many scenes, I totally ship them 100%. Alex and Sara don't compare to them. Boo! Now I am mad they killed her. Hopefully the writers will be smart and bring her back.
Orian
January 27th, 2011 1:15 AM
@Seb
Someone else might like to clarify the timeline, but I'm pretty sure Neal was arrested much later than 3 months after he started working for Adler. We know Peter chased Neal for 3 years, and I'm assuming that started from the time Neal cashed the fake bonds to buy his way into Adler's party and ended with Peter and Jones arresting Neal at Kate's storage facility. Neal worked for Adler for at least 5 months, then when Adler went to ground, Neal, Kate and Moz ran cons together (like the cop car scene) for a bit until Neal went to Copenhagen with Alex for the music box. He came back to NY, found Kate gone and began running bigger fancier cons to win her back and got Peter and the FBI really after him too. Last night's ep didn't go into any detail on what those bigger cons were but they've left the door open for more flashbacks! eg. Antioch manuscripts, Vinland map etc ;) so it wasn't a particularly long career as a con artist but if Neal's only 30-ish when he started working for Pe
Orian
January 27th, 2011 12:44 AM
I think Kate's been using Neal and Adler's been using Kate all along and when she outlived her usefulness, he got rid of her.
IM
January 26th, 2011 11:21 PM
@Seb remember that Neal was in prison for 4 years, and at the beginning of the episode I seem to remember saying it was eight years ago when it happened.. so it was probably about 3-4years since we dont really know how much time Neal has been out on his current deal atm, though I doubt it would be more than 6 months...
Mary
January 26th, 2011 10:28 PM
I think that Kate 'liked' Neal, but she is Adler's girl, not Neal's. She seduced Neal for Adler and stuck with him for information for Adler. Remember that Adler knew who Neal was. Also, the look on her face when Neal found her before she turned to face him and declare her 'love' was not one of a lover. I did not believe her and he loved/loves her so he doesn't 'see' what is happening. Plus, if she shows up alive on Adler's arm without any remorse for what she put him through, he will be free, finally.
Mary Beth
January 26th, 2011 10:12 PM
What a great write up! Thanks, I am wondering what the big surprise is going to be at the end of season 2 and how long will we have to wait for season 3? It was so hard waiting for Season 2.5 that I can't imagine the wait for season 3. Write fast Jeff!
Rayla
January 26th, 2011 10:01 PM
I agree that this was a fantastic episode but disagree about Kate. Ever since the Hard Sell when Kate met with Peter, I stopped liking her. She seemed like she was using Neal but I could be wrong. I prefer Neal & Alex personally. I know that Neal absolutely loves Kate but I'm not sure she loves him as much. Because if she did, I dont think she would've hide from him like she did
Chandel Charles Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2011 3:57 PM
@Dr.CerrenoMD----glad you and I are on the same page :)
@Seb---you're right, that all did seem to happen very quickly, but sometimes you have to suspend reality when it comes to timeline details in these kinds of shows, they have a limited amount of time to convey a lot of information...so clarity doesn't always take precedence
@Shane O Neill---Part of me hopes Kate is alive also...I don't want to find out that she's been canoodling with Adler though
@Sammy----I really would love to see that episode....let's hope it's coming down the pipeline....
@Whipped-by-Damon----good point!
@Michael---that seems to be the case....but we'll see in the upcoming episodes I'm sure...
Michael
January 26th, 2011 1:05 PM
So I wonder if it was Kate Former Boss that kill her
@seb, I do think it's a lot more than three months, the long con they were doing in the first place was at least a 5 month job! Then there is an unknown time where Kate, Mozzie and Neil do cons in NY. Then there is an undetermined time where Neil is abroad and then again an unknown amount of time after he returns and is running big cons to get Kate's attention. So I think we must be looking at a few years here!
Sammy
January 26th, 2011 9:26 AM
If Kate is still alive, just imagine the confrontation between Neal and her when he finds her again. That would be very interesting!
Shane O Neill Rank: New User
January 26th, 2011 8:28 AM
I think Kate is still alive, and using Neal to find what Adler wants and is really Adlers girl and not Neal's!
Seb
January 26th, 2011 7:14 AM
I agree that this was a good episode in itself. But I was disappointed with the lack of explanation that Neal's career as a world-class forger and thief. In the beginning of the episode, Neal narrates and says "That he had just entered NYC". He then meets Mozzy who guides him to his job with Adler. It is then only three months later when Neal is arrested. The rest of the series has displayed Neal as having an extremely long and dangerous past life, as a con-man. Maybe I am just missing a point or two but it would help if someone could clarify. Personally, I think there should be a spin-off show about Neal's past life as a con-man.
Sa'ad702 Rank: Regular Character
January 26th, 2011 5:47 AM
Is kate really dead? Somehow I don't think so. I am sure she is alive and that there must be some explanation. It just seems too early in the story to actually kill kate off. Like the reviewer said it was his love for kate that spured him on to find her and free her. I know that the music box is taking priority now but i'm sure that when they find that he will find kate.
James: You know, you're not me, Neal. Neal: Yeah, but you are the blue in my eyes.
Rank: Staff Member
January 27th, 2011 4:17 PM
@Orian---very short, sweet and precise...and also very likely, and thanks for putting the timeline into perspective for us!
@Lannie---glad this was a favorite, it definitely ranked in my top five and I found myself evolving my assessment of Kate from actually getting to see her. I'm not sure who I ship more, but all three ladies would be fun to see, no matter which they chose or whether they brought someone back from limbo :p
@Porter---also very to the point, and I hope they capitalize on the opportunity the show has created as well
@Suzanne---I think the favor will be more involved than that, perhaps for her to work a case with them or something? Also, just because Kate becomes part of the show doesn't necessarily mean the show has to end. While the premise of the show started with Neal and Kate, I am sure the writers are clever enough to write some amazing stories about the evolving relationships between characters with Kate involved as well.
@Gaby---thanks for your stron
Rank: Staff Member
January 27th, 2011 4:05 PM
@Rayla---I think part of her hiding from him was not as much a matter of hiding as a matter of being kidnapped. Because she was part of the conning and so important to Neal, Adler took advantage of that fact, blackmailed some lower level folks like Adler, and made Kate a pawn to get to Neal. Then again, that's just what I think, so I could be completely wrong....
@Mary Beth---I, too, wonder what the big surprise will be, and we'll just have to wait and see what happens...apparently Jeff Eastin tweeted this review, so hopefully he saw you're comment and will resolve our need to know what happens as soon as possible
@Mary---I'm not sure I'm willing to write Kate off as Adler's girl just yet. As I put in the quote section, Adler made a comment to the effect of, "The things we try to hide are most obvious to those around us," so obviously he could see right through Neal. But let's be honest, Kate seemed pretty upset when they found out that Adler had gone to ground, I don't think she
January 27th, 2011 3:02 PM
@Cass
Peter was wrong. He didn't/doesn't know Kate, and he doesn't know their relationship. Kate spent four years of her life waiting for Neal, why would she do that just for a laugh? NO, she loved him. She let Folwer take her to protect Neal.
She forgave him for lying all about his identity, she broke up with her long term boyfriend to be with him, she became a con for him. What else does this chick have to do?
I probably side with her partly because of how mysterious she is plus she is mega gorgeous her eyes are amazingly blue. I like the fact you don't know the whole story and Neal doesn't have all the power in the relationship, it's very in the air.
January 27th, 2011 12:24 PM
I loved this episode, and it was great to get Neal and Kate's origins. It was obvious that Neal was very much in love with her, but I am still not convinced that Kate cared for him like he cared for her. I wanted to be after this episode, but I think Peter's observation that there wasn't concern in her eyes was really alluding to something. Maybe I'm wrong. But I wouldn't be surprised if she was working for Adler the entire time. And no discredit to the actress, but I just could not see what Neal loved about her character. And until the writers reveal who she really was, I'm still going to be suspicious of her.
January 27th, 2011 12:10 PM
I love Neal&Kate, Bomer's hair in the episode was hot, I love his hair the 'flashback' way.
Bring back Kate, this episode made me Neal&Kate crazy :D
January 27th, 2011 12:06 PM
I always knew even in S1 Kate wasn't betraying Neal. People can be stupid. She waited 4 YEARS, just to turn around and betray him...come on. She was the victim, that stupid guy refusing to let her go back to Neal and then Burke (as much as I heart him) saying she dumped you, she's against you...bla bla bla it was like shut up, you don't know their relationship. She visited him EVERY WEEK for FOUR YEARS.
Fingers crossed Kate is alive.
January 27th, 2011 10:33 AM
I'm wondering now if the favor that Neal owes Sarah will be to give her the Raphael that he admitted to Kate he stole?
Also wonder if Kate is not dead that she could come back at the end of season three in order to have a lovely ending to this story. But then that would mean that Bomer had moved on to movies and no longer a White Collar show. He deserves that but I hope it is not true.
January 27th, 2011 5:16 AM
Love Neal and Kate. She needs to come back otherwise it's a waste of an truly great storyline. The flashback proved how great they were together.
Kate better be alive.
January 27th, 2011 5:13 AM
My favorite episode so far!!!!! Season 1 they made Kate look like the villian so I wasn't sure I liked her, but I LOVE HER NOW! She is awesome. I don't want her to be dead. Neal and Kate's reunion would be so freakin awesome. I was super glad Neal and Kate had so many scenes, I totally ship them 100%. Alex and Sara don't compare to them. Boo! Now I am mad they killed her. Hopefully the writers will be smart and bring her back.
January 27th, 2011 1:15 AM
@Seb
Someone else might like to clarify the timeline, but I'm pretty sure Neal was arrested much later than 3 months after he started working for Adler. We know Peter chased Neal for 3 years, and I'm assuming that started from the time Neal cashed the fake bonds to buy his way into Adler's party and ended with Peter and Jones arresting Neal at Kate's storage facility. Neal worked for Adler for at least 5 months, then when Adler went to ground, Neal, Kate and Moz ran cons together (like the cop car scene) for a bit until Neal went to Copenhagen with Alex for the music box. He came back to NY, found Kate gone and began running bigger fancier cons to win her back and got Peter and the FBI really after him too. Last night's ep didn't go into any detail on what those bigger cons were but they've left the door open for more flashbacks! eg. Antioch manuscripts, Vinland map etc ;) so it wasn't a particularly long career as a con artist but if Neal's only 30-ish when he started working for Pe
January 27th, 2011 12:44 AM
I think Kate's been using Neal and Adler's been using Kate all along and when she outlived her usefulness, he got rid of her.
January 26th, 2011 11:21 PM
@Seb remember that Neal was in prison for 4 years, and at the beginning of the episode I seem to remember saying it was eight years ago when it happened.. so it was probably about 3-4years since we dont really know how much time Neal has been out on his current deal atm, though I doubt it would be more than 6 months...
January 26th, 2011 10:28 PM
I think that Kate 'liked' Neal, but she is Adler's girl, not Neal's. She seduced Neal for Adler and stuck with him for information for Adler. Remember that Adler knew who Neal was. Also, the look on her face when Neal found her before she turned to face him and declare her 'love' was not one of a lover. I did not believe her and he loved/loves her so he doesn't 'see' what is happening. Plus, if she shows up alive on Adler's arm without any remorse for what she put him through, he will be free, finally.
January 26th, 2011 10:12 PM
What a great write up! Thanks, I am wondering what the big surprise is going to be at the end of season 2 and how long will we have to wait for season 3? It was so hard waiting for Season 2.5 that I can't imagine the wait for season 3. Write fast Jeff!
January 26th, 2011 10:01 PM
I agree that this was a fantastic episode but disagree about Kate. Ever since the Hard Sell when Kate met with Peter, I stopped liking her. She seemed like she was using Neal but I could be wrong. I prefer Neal & Alex personally. I know that Neal absolutely loves Kate but I'm not sure she loves him as much. Because if she did, I dont think she would've hide from him like she did
Rank: Staff Member
January 26th, 2011 3:57 PM
@Dr.CerrenoMD----glad you and I are on the same page :)
@Seb---you're right, that all did seem to happen very quickly, but sometimes you have to suspend reality when it comes to timeline details in these kinds of shows, they have a limited amount of time to convey a lot of information...so clarity doesn't always take precedence
@Shane O Neill---Part of me hopes Kate is alive also...I don't want to find out that she's been canoodling with Adler though
@Sammy----I really would love to see that episode....let's hope it's coming down the pipeline....
@Whipped-by-Damon----good point!
@Michael---that seems to be the case....but we'll see in the upcoming episodes I'm sure...
January 26th, 2011 1:05 PM
So I wonder if it was Kate Former Boss that kill her
Rank: Guest Star
January 26th, 2011 11:02 AM
@seb, I do think it's a lot more than three months, the long con they were doing in the first place was at least a 5 month job! Then there is an unknown time where Kate, Mozzie and Neil do cons in NY. Then there is an undetermined time where Neil is abroad and then again an unknown amount of time after he returns and is running big cons to get Kate's attention. So I think we must be looking at a few years here!
January 26th, 2011 9:26 AM
If Kate is still alive, just imagine the confrontation between Neal and her when he finds her again. That would be very interesting!
Rank: New User
January 26th, 2011 8:28 AM
I think Kate is still alive, and using Neal to find what Adler wants and is really Adlers girl and not Neal's!
January 26th, 2011 7:14 AM
I agree that this was a good episode in itself. But I was disappointed with the lack of explanation that Neal's career as a world-class forger and thief. In the beginning of the episode, Neal narrates and says "That he had just entered NYC". He then meets Mozzy who guides him to his job with Adler. It is then only three months later when Neal is arrested. The rest of the series has displayed Neal as having an extremely long and dangerous past life, as a con-man. Maybe I am just missing a point or two but it would help if someone could clarify. Personally, I think there should be a spin-off show about Neal's past life as a con-man.
Rank: Regular Character
January 26th, 2011 5:47 AM
Is kate really dead? Somehow I don't think so. I am sure she is alive and that there must be some explanation. It just seems too early in the story to actually kill kate off. Like the reviewer said it was his love for kate that spured him on to find her and free her. I know that the music box is taking priority now but i'm sure that when they find that he will find kate.