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The Vampire Diaries Round Table: "The Sun Also Rises"

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Needless to say, there's a lot to cover in our Vampire Diaries Round Table as we pick up the pieces from last week and look ahead to this week's season finale.

Below, TVF managing editor Steve Marsi is joined by staff writers Carissa Pavlica and Nick McHatton for an in-depth Q&A discussion of "The Sun Also Rises" ...

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What was your favorite quote/scene from the episode?

Steve: Let's go with Bonnie overwhelming Klaus with her thoroughly bad ass powers. Even though Elijah didn't follow through and kill him, it was great to see Bonnie's much-touted strength in action - and living up to the hype.

Nick: Jenna's death hit me the hardest in the episode. I was sad to see her go especially after she was finally given something to do, but I'm glad she died a hero and had that heart to heart with Elena.

Carissa: I'm going with the funeral for two reasons. One, the letter John wrote was beautiful, and Elena needed something to hold on to from her two parents. His letter expressed all of the things he couldn't say. After the funeral, when Damon was still thinking of Elena instead of himself as he pondered his own death, was the cherry on top.

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Biggest shock: Jenna's death, John's death or Elijah bailing with Klaus?

Steve: I had a hunch Klaus would find a way out of this episode alive. There's just too much story potential with those guys alive. John's death was a surprise, but brought such appropriate closure to the character. Jenna, though? Totally out of left field. I still can't believe Elena's biological father AND aunt/legal guardian, died. Wow.

Nick: Jenna's death, although, John's death is a close second.

Carissa: Jenna's death. Mostly because she didn't turn to dust. Don't vampires turn to dust? Did I miss that in all the excitement as Klaus was spirited away by his now loving brother? As soon as John said goodbye, I knew he had given his life for Elena. How sweet was that? 

Did the convenient creation of the "tethering" spell stretch the limits of believability - even for a CW show about vampires? 

Steve: I rolled my eyes at first because it seemed too easy. Then when I saw how it played out, I was more than captivated and even moved by the funeral scene. In the hands of a lesser show, all the rule changes and characters coming and going might seem cheesy or haphazard, but The Vampire Diaries sells it with great writing and acting.

Nick: It didn't for me, I bought it. Because it finally gave John some redemption.

Carissa: As long as it's entertaining and can make sense within the story (it is fantasy, after all), I'll allow it. One thing the VD writers do well is invent their own lore. They do a really good job and it keeps the pace moving fast and in directions we never see coming.

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What's Katherine's next move?

 Steve: The liquor cabinet, followed by the couch, then the makeshift dance floor. Repeat. Alaric's not getting his house back anytime soon (I think ... my colleague Nick says otherwise), but a bored, drunk Kat sure keeps things interesting!

Nick: She's free to do whatever she wants now that the ritual is over. Does that mean she is free from Klaus and his desire for revenge against her? Probably not. My guess is she decides to stick around in Mystic Falls because they can probably use all the help they can get if they want to kill Klaus.

Carissa: Isn't she stuck in that apartment? Doesn't Klaus have to do something to let her out? I don't know what will happen in the present, but my guess is we will learn a lot more about Katherine in the past with Klaus, Elijah and the rest of the family.

Should Caroline and Tyler get together?

Steve: As Carissa said, their connection was intense during Tyler's first transformation, and you could see it again in their eyes this week. Much as I like Matt, I'd have to guess (and hope) his dumping Caroline clears the way for this new, supernatural romance.

Nick: Those two have great chemistry and I definitely wouldn't be opposed to it. Although, I would feel bad for Matt. But if Matt's still as awesome as he's been the last few episodes I probably wouldn't mind as much.

Carissa: I honestly don't know. Now that Matt has come into his own, I was sort of rooting for him to accept her as she is. But, if he can't accept Caroline, and if Caroline doesn't want to deal with his wishy washy behavior, then yes. Tyler and Caroline had some great scenes when he was first turning, if they can reignite that fire, I'm all for it.

Obviously Damon will survive (if not, that would be the biggest shocker in TVD history). But HOW will he survive?

Steve: I'll embrace a theory popular among some of our readers and say that the elixir will allow him to be brought back after he dies, but in human form. Eh, possibly too far fetched, even for TVD. But that would be a heck of a twist for the character.

Nick: Bonnie will use a variation of the linking spell. My guess is Tyler will find some werewolf journal that explains the ins and outs of being a werewolf and what to do if you accidentally bite your vampire buddies (I'm only half-joking on this). I'm beginning to think that potion Elijah had may have something to with it.

Carissa: Maybe the spell did something to allow for more hybrids. I really like Damon all vampire, but he would have a definite advantage in a fight if he were both vamp and werewolf. And, it would certainly lend credence for the two breeds to work together instead of being at each others' necks all the time.

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Queenbee94

I seriously hope TvFanatic gets a bunch of new critics, because Carissa clearly doesn't even watch the show. This is like the second time she's telling BS. Sorry but true.

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@Jess I didn't say Damon needed to die and be gone from the show forever. I said it would be interesting if he went into hibernation. The one thing that TVD can do to shake things up is to make Damon MIA for a bit. Kinda like the Stefan-went-wild-because-of-human-blood arc, which I thought made Stefan all the more intriguing. Damon's sarcasm and humour have served the show very well, but his character is the only one to not have undergone a severe change. Stefan had the bloodlust, Caroline turned into a vampire, Jeremy became a whiny badass instead of just a whiny boy, Bonnie can semi-defeat the strongest being in the world, etc. So, chillax. I'm just posting my 2 cents. Probably came off as rude, but really I just didn't like the Carissa girl commenting like a tard who's never watched the show before. Oh, and Damon's eyebrows.

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Oh crud, Lay OFF. Why even bother existing here if you just have to sound rude?
For the record everybody loves Damon's eyebrow thing. He's not Damon if he doesn't over do it. He looks hot most of the time and he looks adorable the rest. It's who he is.
And you want Damon to die? Okay, that right there is reason enough for you to just not say anything. Damon is the only thing the show cannot survive wthout. You do realize that anyone who doesn't find him interesting is just as tastelessly boring and bland as Stefan 'it's tuesday look'?

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Carissa, your comments are dumb "don't vampires turn to dust when they die?"
You sound like you've never watched TVD before. Anyways, I think that Damon dying is exactly what this show needs. He doesn't have to absolutely die (aka, they could put him in hibernation via Bonnie's spell), but saving him when clearly another vampire (stronger and older) has died from a werewolf's bite would make the show unbelievable to me. Granted, TVD abuses a lot of supernatural limits, but this one would feel VERY forced. I'd like to have a show without Damon for a bit. Maybe then he can finally fix his stupid eyebrow thing. It's starting to annoy me almost as much as Chuck Bass' forced constipated whisper voice in Gossip Girl. What is it with these actors and doing stupid trademark looks/expressions/voice? It only works when you don't overdo it. Anyways, still love TVD!

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i love the idea of tyler and caroline theyre perfect for eachother as for damon stefan will find some way to save his brother but it will not leaving elena for her to be with damon cause thats not happening she is meant to be with stefan.

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Favourite scene - The funeral...It was extremely emotional but the letter from john was very good..I always hated him, so im glad i wasnt very happy when he died..very noble
Biggest shock - Jenna's death...before the episode came out, i was like her death is going to be expected so VD doesnt do anything "expected"..i had great hopes of her not dieing...even when elena told her to just run, it brought my hopes up even more..and then BAM! She's dead :-(
Tethering spell was good...it wasnt such a big deal for me ive got to admit...i was mostly focused on the sacrifice than keeping elena human..im glad she's still human though, cuz i loved the fact that she ddnt have a "bella" character
I honestly dont have any idea what katherine is going to do..im sure she desperately wants to get out of the house but that wont happen until klaus free's her or if klaus dies, right? Or maybe elijah will do something about it :-s No clue..
Arrghhh im glad matt's out of the picture!! Seriously he was getting on my NERVES! I used to LOVE matt&caroline togheter so0o0 much, but then he started to act like a douche..tho im glad he understood the fact that caroline was the same old human-like caroline only a supernatural version at the end..i mean come on? dont u just adore tylerine? arent they just so perfect?!
This show has not been following the book at ALL! It is called the vampire diaries right? it is supposed to be based on tht stupid series of books right? they are using the same characters right?! I mean the show would SUCK if it was based on the books...but i mean they need to use the book somehow..therefore i have a strong feeling that damon's gonna turn human..which i personally would not want to happen..one reason is because i have a strong feeling - and i dont want to because i like being surprised :) I want my jaw to fall on the floor and stay there for a whole day like the season 1 finale..So pleaasee! Be a a HUGE SHOCKER!! Be a brilliant one!

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What was your favorite quote/scene from the episode? My favorite scene was definately the funeral. Though it was really emotional, it was a great close up scene to Jenna and Johnathan. Biggest shock: Jenna's death, John's death or Elijah bailing with Klaus? The biggest shock was definately Jenna's death. It hit me way too emotionally! So sad, I just could'nt believe it. I thought that they would make a new story for her as a vampire, but I never expected that they would actually kill her. Did the convenient creation of the "tethering" spell stretch the limits of believability - even for a CW show about vampires? I knew that SOMEHOW they would stop Elena from becoming a vampire, so it wasn't that big of a shock for me, but I think the mythical aspect of TVD is getting a bit overboard :/ but I'm fine, as long as Elena's alive and not a vampire (yet!. Katherine's next move? Well, isn't she stuck until Klaus dies or gives her permission to leave the house? Well since Klaus hasn't done either, I don't think she can get out. Should Caroline and Tyler get together? Though I love the bond that they both have, I think that Caroline and Matt's relationship is still too strong, and I personally loved them as a couple. But I wouldn't mind if Caroline and Tyler's friendship got stronger. Obviously Damon will survive (if not, that would be the biggest shocker in TVD history). But HOW will he survive? I as a BIG fan of Damon, would HATE it if he died, but if they weren't able to save Rose, how could they save Damon? The producers/writers know that one of the big reasons why they have such a big fanbase is BECAUSE of Damon's character, so they will find a way to save him. What I think is that since Jeremy and Bonnie have all the Grimours (don't know how to spell it :P), they will find something that can cure a werewolf bite, but in the promo trailer, Bonnie says something about not having a cure, and not able to save him.

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As much as I'm not sure I am ready for this I can see the human thing happening. As a few people have said it happens in the books when he touches this strange flower thing (the books get weird). BUT I think I could see it working for the show. IF they were trying to give Damon a leg up over Stephen with Elena that would be the way to do it. After all we now know that Elena doesn't want to be a vampire. She could grow old with Damon . . . Though the hybrid theory is also interesting. I have considered it maybe having something to do with Tyler as well. Maybe he can help b/c we all know Jules didn't want to. Just thoughts

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I love that scene when Tyler was half-naked and Caroline was beside him and anguished due to her breakup with Matt. Tyler looked so hot there and I really want those two to be together. They have great chemistry! The last scene was really sad. I felt Damon's love for Elena as he told Stefan to hide his werewolf bite from her. When he walked away from Stefan in the funeral I can't help but think "Dead man walking" though he is technically dead. But we all know he won't die (or else bubye TVD! nah just kidding). Can't wait to see the last episode!

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I want to know what excuse they are telling the town in regards to Jenna's death. I mean they can say John died of a heart attack or stroke, but Jenna?

The Vampire Diaries Season 2 Episode 21 Quotes

Tyler: You were right. I shouldn't have come home.
Caroline: No, you just...should have never left. And you shouldn't leave again.
Tyler: You're kidding, right? This is the second time I've tried to kill you.
Caroline: Well, no friendship is perfect.

(voiceover, in his letter to Elena) Elena, it's no easy task being an ordinary parent to an extraordinary child. I failed in that task. And because of my prejudices, I failed you. I'm haunted by how things might have played out differently if I'd been more willing to hear your side of things. For me, it's the end. For you, a chance to grow old and someday do better with your own child than I did with mine. It's for that child that I give you my ring. I don't ask for your forgiveness or for you to forget. I ask only that you believe this. Whether you are now reading this as a human or as a vampire, I love you all the same. As I've always loved you, and always will. John.

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