Gossip Girl Round Table: "The Big Sleep No More"

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Welcome to our weekly Gossip Girl Round Table discussion! Below, our panel breaks down the most recent episode (see our official review from last night) of our favorite show in even greater detail.

Below, TVF CEO Eric Hochberger (Gossip Guy) and managing editor Steve Marsi (Mister Meester) join writers Courtney Morrison, Christina Tran and Leigh Raines to discuss "The Big Sleep No More."

Weigh in with your take on the following topics after reading ours!

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1. What was your favorite quote from the episode?

Courtney: I have to go with Gossip Girl’s headline on this one ... ”Nate Archibald’s Cougar and Cub in Pride War.” Classic GG. Even if she is a blogger who blasts other people, the girl is clever and has a serious way with words.

Christina: Chuck: “Maybe we’re maturing too fast.” Oh, the irony. While Nate's still always thinking about cubs and cougars, and Blair can't let go of her dire need to play games, we're all still kind of kids at heart, I suppose.

Leigh: Everything between Dorota and Blair in the beginning. Dorota: Apology not seem so fake to me. Blair: That's because English is your second language. Oh please Blair, Dorota is the TRUTH.

Steve: LOL @ Leigh. I got nothin'.

Eric: Less of a single quote and more of the entire exchange between Chair at the masquerade. Yeah, even as a Dair shipper, I can recognize the sexual tension Steve wanted to cut with a knife in his review.

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2. What did you like most about "The Big Sleep No More"?

Courtney: Like Christina mentioned, how can you not love a Queen B scheme, especially when it involves Venn Diagrams. I agree with the majority that the Blair scheme was a little over the top, even for B. But it gave some more screen time to Dorota and got the two down to the duck pond. Not everything on the show has to be glitz and glamour. Sometimes it’s the simple moments that are the most enjoyable.

Christina: From Venn diagrams to trench coats, I’m always down for some scheming. Albeit the plotting was a little more outrageous than usual (if that’s even possible), this is why I love the UES.

Leigh: The show finally sampled my favorite Audrey Hepburn movie, Sabrina. Chuck as Humphrey Bogart, I dig it. And before the haters get up in arms, Bogart was allegedly a d-bag in real life. So there, it works for the lovers and the haters.

Steve: A bunch of things. The "B to Pardon C" title card. Serena's outfits. Louis not being around. Animal-loving Chuck is a crowd-pleaser. Dan going through some hard times after his brush was greatness (I wish him the best, but success doesn't come easy, as Rufus said). Christina also nailed with the Chuck Bass Venn diagram. Blair needs to make those for all the characters.

Eric: That Dorota was scheming with Chuck. Hah! Believable? No. But this is Gossip Girl and you must suspend any disbelief when it comes to scheming. Besides, any Dorota is a good thing.

3. What were you most disappointed by?

Courtney: After all of the hype, I was a little disappointed by the Sleep No More benefit itself. From all the press about this episode, I expected a little more. We have seen better parties at the Waldorf’s. The scenery was gorgeous though.

Christina: I thought that the kiss and slap scene was a total letdown. Plus, did Blair really need to go to the extremes to prove Chuck is the same basstard he has always been? Did Chuck honestly need to kiss Blair to set her free? All in all, the Chair scenes were kind of lame.

Leigh: Um, everything else? Sleep No More is far more disturbing and messed up in real life. It was hardly a masked ball. Even though they filmed on location that whole scene was lame-o. Blair is twisted, but her need to prove Chuck is a bad person was beyond convoluted this week.

Steve: The CW cutting to commercial break in mid-Chair kiss. I mean really. The scene was far too short anyway, then they throw in 2-3 minutes of ads, derailing the momentum? Who edits this stuff?

Eric: That this show became the Diana and Chivy hour. Look, I've had the biggest crush on Elizabeth Hurley since, well, ever. But as unbelievably gorgeous as she still is at this age, she should not be dominating Gossip Girl. Notice how little I said about Chivy... 

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4. Has Chuck really changed for good?

Courtney: Yes and no. Yes because he has realized being good is better for him. He is a better functioning person and isn’t hiding behind grief and insecurities. No because there is a piece of him doing this for Blair and he knows that deep down this is how he can get her back. Even on his good days, he will forever be a Basshole.

Christina: It appears that way, doesn’t it? Chuck’s finally let Blair go and he hasn’t been up to his usual antics. Make no mistake, though, I still more than ever think that Chair is end-game.

Leigh: Chuck has definitely changed. But the only constant in life is change. I'm sure he will take make different turns in the future, only time will tell.

Steve: In the sense that he's no longer a self-destructive, reckless heathen? I'll buy it. But there's no way he's letting this wedding happen without one last profession of love for B.

Eric: Well, no. As much as I'm sure he loves ducks (the animal, not the greatest bromance the show has ever seen), he's doing all of this to win back Blair.

5. Hardest to believe: Diana's manipulation of Nate and Serena, Ivy kissing Max unknowingly, or the lengths Blair went to to prove her "point"?

Courtney: Diana, no doubt. Even people as gullible and pretty as Nate and Serena aren’t completely blinded to manipulation. That whole situation just worked out too perfect to be believable. The Ivy kissing Max scene was more funny than anything and Blair’s is believable because she still cares about Chuck.

Christina: Ivy kissing Max unknowingly – only on Gossip Girl does a simple mask have as much power as to cause you to mistakenly identify two totally different looking people. Hello, Max and Nate look NOTHING alike.

Leigh: Ivy kissing Max. We all know how easy it is to trick Serena and Nate. Blair is a known lunatic schemer. But how could you mistake somebody as Chace Crawford? He radiates an aura of sexiness.

Steve: Blair seemed a bit desperate to expose Chuck, don't you think? I don't blame her for being suspicious, but she blatantly baited him to make a move. How does that really prove anything?

Eric: Definitely Diana's manipulation. Not because she did a battle of wits with the two dumbest characters on the show. I mean, that's easy. The real hardest to believe part was Chivy confusing Max for Nate. That was almost as bad as the time Nate confused Jenny for Serena ...

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6. The Grandfather wants to rehabilitate Nate's image, but there must be more to it. What's his motive in all of this?

Courtney: The simplest conclusion is he wants him to head in to politics like the rest of the family. But how can ping pong-ing between a cougar and a cub be good for his image? My question is, what was so wrong with his image before? Sure, he was simple, pretty, and high most of the time. But he wasn’t a bad person.

Christina: Nate’s grandfather wants to mold Nate's image and get him to the political party.

Leigh: The Grandfather wants to groom Nate into the next JFK Jr. However, I don't see how banging a cougar and working for a tabloid makes someone the next John John.

Steve: To resurrect Trip's political career. He doesn't need Nate's image to be refurbished for that, you're thinking, and you're right. What he needs is leverage, something to get his grandson to fall in line. The question is what. Just a theory, but Diana could be getting played here too.

Eric: The far, far more important question is how the heck is this rehabilitating Nate's image!? And to that, I have no answer and will be watching just as cluelessly as you guys next week.

7. What's your favorite Gossip Girl masquerade moment (from this episode or any other)?

Courtney: I’m going with the girls. Season 1 was untouchable in terms of masquerades. It was our first - the first time someone got kissed mistakenly, a Chair scene, and beautiful wardrobes.

Christina: How could we possibly forget our very first masquerade, with Nate mistakenly kissing Jenny thinking it was Serena, Dan and Jenny sneaking in as outsiders, and Blair’s scavenger hunt?! Season 1, how I miss thee!

Leigh: Serena getting roofied was an amazing episode, but I'm gonna have to go with the classic. I agree with Christina that Season 1 was the best when Nate mistook Jenna for Serena and confessed his love and then she lost her diamond bracelet. Season 1 was epic.

Steve: I loved when Juliet drugged and freaking kidnapped Serena last season. Not because Serena deserved to be drugged and kidnapped, but because Juliet had a tangible motive (revenge, it never fails), executed her plan flawlessly, and proved she was far more insane than any of us believed. Last night felt blah in comparison.

Eric: I guess I jumped the gun with question #5 back there. I always find it a hilarious / ridiculous schtick when they have a character kiss the wrong masked person. Jenny, Juliet, Max. You pick the target. I'll keep laughing in disbelief.

What do you think? Sound off in the comments!

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@Catherine -- Im actually so happy to know you have the exact thoughts i do on the show, Saying im beyond obsessed with this show would be a huge understatement. i dont know what it is, but i dont find a scene on the show boring no matter who it is. AS many other i do prefer the chair scenes since im a die hard chair fan but honestly dont mind the others. Ive been watching since season 1 as well and havent left chairs side yet. I loved derena but i dont think the writers are ever gonna go down that rode again sadly. But i do agree all people bitch about is how it is "boring" and the writers are pathetic now. Like come on people, lets see you keep this shit up like they do. I agree they are sometimes / alot of the time they are a huge pain in the ass because they never leave anyone happy on this freaking show but thats the whole gist of the show. I really would hope if they are planning to have c&b a couple again at one point i really hope they dont wait till the last freaking second to do it because that would freaking being the most annoying shit they could do. But besides that people should appreciate that we still have the show because as lows as the ratings are, they could've stopped the whole thing by the end of this season. ;[

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Oh and one more thing to add to that embarassingly long post. I think the whole point of the scheme, (though Blair tried to lie to herself and say it was about proving Chuck was still a lustful sleaze), was to actually prove Chuck wasn't over her. Blair threw herself at Chuck to show that she could still seduce him, that she had the power to have Chuck eating from the palm of her hand. That Chuck Bass could never resist her, and she'd always have that power over him, no matter what he said about moving on and changing. So basically Blair just wanted to prove that Chuck still loved/lusted after her, and no matter what he did, that would never change. Though she lied to herself and said it proved he was still a dishonourable sleaze, and Louis was the right choice (which she also wants to believe). That's how I interpreted it anyway. I think Blair is just desperately trying to lie to herself, so she'll resort to anything to prove her point too.

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I know it's a bit late to be commenting on this ep, but I just saw it recently. I thought it was pretty good, though not GG on the top of it's game, I had fun watching it. I don't really find what's so hard to believe about Blair's elaborate over the top scheming? I've actually found, personally, through observation, that Blair essentially hasn't changed in core ways. She loves scheming, she will always love scheming, and making manipulative crazy plans that only she can pull off. I don't really want to see a day where she gives it up. The only difference between being mature or not is when she uses the scheming skills for good rather then evil. The thing is, Blair never stopped being Blair, she's just hampered by Louis. She asks his permissions (sort of) to scheme, she's always trying to act perfect around him. Now this isn't necessarily Louis fault, it's really Blair's because she's holding onto her idea of a fairy tale that I don't really think she believes in anymore. And it's kind of unfair on the poor guy, sometimes I cringe at the way Blair treats Louis. It might just be me, but she uses him, and I've never gotten the idea that she has ever really loved him. (Not to mention her being a major hypocrite about him not trusting her, when she hasn't exactly acted honourably towards him anyway. Maybe it's her guilt making her defensive, but I think Blair would be a better person if she let the poor guy go now, rather then waiting for the day of their wedding, which would be incredibly cruel.) Which brings me to the next point, she is not over Chuck, and this elaborate scheme just proved it. Blair was trying to prove to herself in an over the top way that Chuck has not changed. If Chuck hasn't changed then her choice to be with Louis is justified. And Blair tried to prove it in the best way the Queen B does, an over the top scheme. (Secretly I think she also really wanted Chuck to kiss her). I think Blair also wanted to prove to herself that Chuck still had feelings for her, because she couldn't stand the idea that he doesn't while she still has feelings for him. Chuck also showed in this episode, that he knows Blair better then she even knows herself. He knew Blair couldn't stand the idea that he was changing, maybe moving on. Blair has shown that before, in Paris instead of letting Chuck go she convinced him to come back to NY even though she insisted she wanted nothing to do with him. She broke up his relationship with Eva, becase she was essentially jealous. Blair is desperate to move on, but she can't let go of the past. If she's certain Chuck will always be hung up on her, then she's free to tell herself that Louis is right for her, and Chuck is selfish and only concerned with one thing. By always knowing Chuck will be there she keeps her options open I guess, showing everyone that she chose to move on with something 'better'. Oh well enough with the over analysis, which is sad lol.
I guess we'll see what happens at the wedding! I hope there is more Duck though, I do love those two guys having bromance moments. And I love Monkey! Especially how only Chuck Bass would walk his dog in a suit lol.

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Eric: Well, no. As much as I'm sure he loves ducks (the animal, not the greatest bromance the show has ever seen), he's doing all of this to win back Blair. lol, what? I don't think were watching the same show here.

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This episode definitely cemented something for me: I can now say that Chair has positively lost its appeal.
Seeing them in this pseudo-seduction scene was awkward, painful and frankly boring. I was mildly pumped for this scene even if I am a Dair fan to the bone. I never denied Chair's earlier chemistry and excitment.
Instead it came out wrong. Letting her go really??? I laughed so much at that. This was just the best way to make sure Dorota cracks one day and tells Blair and so the writers will make her bounce back to him. God.
I didn't like Blair's scheming. It made me cringe because I am so accustomed to the Blair of season 4 and 5. As much as I loved GG in the past I can't bear to see characters brought back to their old self. Plus as other people pointed out, her plan was stupid since she basically asked for that kiss. It didn't prove anything besides the fact that she might have wanted him to do it herself.
I thought that the lack of Dair would be filled up with some mature Chair scenes to at least ease my pain but it was disappointing. If anything it told me that mature Chair won't make sense and even if they bring back the old Chair it would be just weird and boring.
That just was my own opinion and let's hope I will be proven wrong since I know that Chair is unfortunately the dedicated endgame of this show.
As for the whe Diana thing: Stupid.
They better up their game and give us some serious Gossip Girl/Diana showdown because I am snoring through this storyline although I like Diana. I am alittle intrigued by how Chivy and Max and Serena are going to turn out.
I was happy we were given the little Dan scenes to take us away from that ridiculous masquerade. It was so good to see Dan and Rufus interacting because frankly, their scenes are so real vompared to the rest of the episode.
All in all as a Dair fan, this episode obviously lacked some Dan and Blair. Their banter us the only thing I'm shipping right now :-P

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What was your favorite quote from the episode?
I'm giving it to Gossip Girl this time, with her rambling about masks at the end of the episode. I'm a sucker for stuffs like that. Else, Dorota's "I'm pregnant too!" comes in second. What did you like most about "The Big Sleep No More"?
How the Max/Ivy story play out. Okay, maybe I'm all alone in this whole world that actually love seeing them both on screen, but they're like the new fresh thing on the show and Max is such an eye-candy. What were you most disappointed by?
The bringing of Grandpa Archibald to Diana's scheme. I don't know, it's just hard to buy that you know. What's Grandpa doing scheming with someone like Diana? And the idea that Chuck kiss Blair to 'let her go'? Wait, he doesn't want her back? I'm confused. Has Chuck really changed for good?
For now? Yes. Forever? Not by any chance. Hardest to believe: Diana's manipulation of Nate and Serena, Ivy kissing Max unknowingly, or the lengths Blair went to to prove her "point"?
Diana's manipulation of Nate and Serena. Nate and Serena are not the best schemer, but they have had their 'brainiac' moments but to be played like that by Diana? Hard to believe. The Grandfather wants to rehabilitate Nate's image, but there must be more to it. What's his motive in all of this?
It's for Tripp's political favor right? So, people will vote the Archibald family or something like that? What's your favorite Gossip Girl masquerade moment (from this episode or any other)?
First season's! Nate smooching on Jenny. Pure awesome!

Gossip Girl Season 5 Episode 7 Quotes

Dorota: Uh oh. Mr. Chuck in dream again.
Blair: When Chuck's in them they're all nightmares.
Dorota: What he do now?
Blair: Behave like a perfect gentleman. Which makes him even more chilling. That fake apology of his has permeated my subconscious and haunts me even when I sleep.
Dorota: Apology not seem so fake to me.
Blair: That's because English is your second language!

Good morning, Upper East Siders. Or is it? We hear a certain future royal has had more than one rude awakening this week.

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