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@jschoi and Lena......Duke is the one who warned Chin that Steve was going to be arrested in last year's season finale. He was also there with Chin in the car when they arrested Steve at the governor's mansion. I think he is more connected to Chin and is his resource at HPD. He might have been the one who also gave Chin the info on the file of Steve's mother's case being a homicide and not an accident. That being said, he could be connected since he was around when John McGarrett and Chin Ho were partners. It's possible.
Wow we already hit 370 post here! we are going for a new record!!
Yeah Joe knew all along who Shellburne is I agree what if Shellburne is a half-brother or half-sister of Steve and lived in Japan all these years!
I am gonna watch 1.13 again to see what more was in the toolbox.
McG senior had the key of the desk of the Governor how did he get it?
There where alot of postcards from Japan maybe from Shellburne?
I am with you guys I also thinks Duke is on Steve's hand maybe he also was helping McG senior.
I know in the toolbox were also show a men watch a lighter and some kind of diary, a pocket knife, a chain, and a cellphone
@Jeffrey......there are 24 episodes in a season. Peter Lenkov has already tweeted that there will be a full season of 24 episodes this year. There are many sites that believe H50 should be renewed for season 3, they are doing well in the ratings for a 10PM show.
I see it a little different. I think Joe asked Wofat who Shelburne was to get a reaction. He asked Steve to see if he knew anything about Shelburne, we now know for sure that Joe knows who Shelburne is, he said he could not tell Steve. Senior McG probably wanted to get the same reaction that Joe did. Steve found out in North Korea that Wofat does not know who Shelburne is, but it appears that Wofat either knows or thinks that Shelburne has info that will hurt him or send him to jail. I believe Joe knew all along who Shelburne was, its part of whatever his deal is with not telling Steve. He also said in the car, on the phone, that "I have to move you, Steve is getting too close". So Shelburne knows who Steve is.
I'm going complicate things even more. Duke was with Steve and Danny when talking about 10 million for Chin and he was their when they arrested the Coast Guard guy I believe he knew they took the money but never said anything. When called Chin in ep 24 I think was calling to warn them that HPD was coming for Steve, I think Duke has been protecting Steve. I only recall him being opening of ep 9 this season, right before the Wo Fat story picked up again. Considering his years on the force it stands to reason he would have known Steves dad. The only thing I don't see is a connection to Joe.
How many episodes are there in a H50 usually!
I wonder of they are going later!
So I guess Makoto knew what or who Shelburn is and Wo Fat knew that Makoto knew, so he went to his house and killed him.
Putting together these pieces, I guess Makoto (Japanese) knew about some dirty things between Hawaii (handled by Governor James) and Japan (handled by Wo Fat and who knows who else).
Then at the end Joe tells Steve: "We did this. Our questions got Makoto killed. You continue to go down this road son, you got to ask yourself how many more lives is that going to cost."
I'm glad I watches these scenes again, now i can see things more clearly. At this point I think Joe is on Steve's side and he's protecting him, even though he's not doing so well. Finally, sorry for my English, I tried to do my best.
In epi 2.04, Kensi is analyzing the video:
- McG Senior tells Wo Fat: "I want to know about Shelburn"
- Wo Fat asks McG Senior: "Who told you about Shelburn"
- Joe asks Steve if that means anything to him. At this point we don't know whether Shelburn is a place or a person, that will be clarified later.
So after this, half of our guesses are incorrect. McG Senior can't be Shelburn, can't be his wife, can't be Steve, can't be Makoto, can't be Joe either.
Then Steve tells Kensi Makoto hired his father to investigate Governor James. Investigating the Governor? No wonder he was killed.
Later Wo Fat pays Joe a visit, asking him why is he asking questions about men that are no longer with them. Joe tells him he'll stop asking those questions when Wo Fat tells him about Shelburn and also asks Wo Fat what is that (Shelburn) mean. Wo Fat looks surprised, worried actually, I guess he wasn't expecting this.
In epi 2.04 Joe says to Steve: "Did you ever think that maybe you are not the only one I am trying to protect? Risk vs reward Steve. How much damage do you want to do to your family, to your family's name? Cause whatever it is on that video, it's not gonna bring you father back."
I guess this is the only time when he is telling him something even though it doesn't make much sense to us.
There is one very important thing here: How much damage do you want to do to your family, to your family's name?
How could Steve damage his family's name by finding out the truth? What damage is Joe talking about? As far as we know Steve's father was after the bad guys because if he would have been dirty, he wouldn't let Steve know what he was after. Who is/are the other/others Joe is protecting? How can he protect these people by covering up who knows what?
I think I should finish my questions here.
@Amazingalex....I think Chin goes back and forth from boss to Steve, and I only recall Danny calling him Steven, when he is irritated with him. Regardless, I don't think someone who was that new would insert herself that fast into a team, nor would the team trust her that fast since she was placed there by the new governor after they just found out the old one was so crooked.
By the way, I saw that PL tweeted that Danny's girlfriend, the science woman or whoever she was, will be making another appearance this year. So it does not look like he is getting back with Rachael.
OK, no China, but I think someone else mentioned China in another comment.
@Martinelli......I did not remember anyone from China, so if China, North Korea, (since they have been there twice), and Japan (Yakuza and Shelburne hiding there), are all involved, then there has to be some sort of international connection. Along with the previous Governor of Hawaii being crooked. You are right politics are connected one way or another.
But why is Joe so adamant about keeping things from Steve? Who does not know what has happened over the last 20 yrs. He is a Navy Seal who Joe trained, so why would he not think that he could help solve this? If the Senior McG is dead and he told Steve he was sorry he lied and then led him to the lock box with all the clues, wouldn't Joe realize that he wanted Steve to now know what was going on?
@amazingalex - sorry, of course I meant Japan. Sorry.
@martinelli..I think you meant japan not china.:) Joe keeps going to japan and the postcards are from japan. That connection confuses me more then anything so far.
@zia..actually lori is the only one on the team who does not call steve boss...she thinks she is his equal apparently. Go back and watch, you will only see her call him steve. I find that irritating. LOL but what else is new with me in regards to lori.
@martinelli..what does it mean that I am obsessed with both things, my hatred of lori and my love for steve.LOL!!!!
@Zia - I forgot to answer your question: we all are obsessed in a certain way with something and/or someone or. Some with Lori (like/dislike), others with AOL (like/like), others with the show etc.
@Zia - Ok, let's say we find out who Shelburn is but then comes the question WHY?
So let's look at the big picture. I'm going to write down all those peoples name who were/are implicated, let's see if we can make a logical connection or speculation:
- the Governor (she was dirty)
- Wo Fat
- some people from China
- McGarrett Senior (because he found out)
- Joe (at this point I don't know what to believe, whose side is he on)
- Kesi's father (maybe?)
I guess this has something to do with politics.
@Martinelli......Shelburne is the next step in us finding out what is going on, so revealing him/her should give of some answers. For Senior McG and Joe to be keeping this from Steve for so long, then there has to be more then just Wofat being a bad guy that John McGarrett was trying to expose. Or was he trying to cover something up that he did?
We aren't obsessed with this show are we. Even if we don't always agree with the way they are handling this show, they do have us guessing and anticipating.
H50 clearly took the lead regarding review comments on TV Fanatic, don't you think?
I did some thinking and I'm not interested in who Shelburn is. I'd rather want to find out what they want to hide, cover up and why. During this waiting period I think I'm going to watch all the episodes with Joe and concentrate on the things he's saying. Maybe I'll find out more. I already have a couple of ideas.
@Zia...I thought that sometimes they don't want to put new eps up against some big event even if on another network, I'm not sure about that.
I love Kono and Steve working together but no romance please.
@jschoi.....the football game is not being shown on CBS, so their must be some other reason for the repeats. H50 needs to be ahead, since they are finishing up 2.15 this week and it takes 2-4 wks to film, edit, and produce we are looking at repeats over the next month or so. I agree its frustration having to wait for a new episode and then get another repeat.
@Martinelli.....you are right, they have not given the reason all this is happening. Hopefully with the revealing of Shelburne, we will get answers sooner then later. Although the Wofat story line is not going to be resolved for a long time. It's a big part of the show and they will milk it for as long as they can. I just hope they give us info a little more quickly then they did with Shelburne.
I looked at the sched and did notice all the shows on Global or CBS tonight are reruns, maybe it's because of the football game tonight. I wish they would just show some eps in a row while this story line is going on. The interruptions just get in the way and keep dragging it out. It' also taking forever to get to ep 17 when we hopefully get some answers on Lori one way or another. I'd at least like to know instead of being in the dark.
@HFO....It's not just Lori, I don't want Kono and Steve together either. He needs someone outside the team. He is her boss, she calls him boss. Romance between team members usually happens when a series has nothing else to show and is coming to an end, it's the kiss of death. I think H50 has much more to explore before that. Please don't kill the show.
@Lena.....Fox shows start at their own time usually later then everyone else, but I'm surprised that the CBS shows, NCIS and NCIS LA, have not shown as many. I did not remember them showing any repeats earlier and they started at the same time. But they are showing new ones tomorrow, and with all the repeats coming up for H50, I bet they catch up quick, while filming ahead for the other shows.
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