NCIS Round Table: "A Desperate Man" Comments (Page 2)
43 Comments
Michael
January 17th, 2012 12:40 PM
One more thing these show is call Naval Criminal Investigative Service Yet there has been no Naval people on the show for over 4 months and when was the last time they were on a ship I mean does these show even know what it’s about.
I still can't believe these show thinks being in a relationship with a woman who abuse you and put you down ever chance you get is Ok
Michael
January 17th, 2012 12:38 PM
will say these at least we have "Life before His Eyes to look forward to NCIS need to do something I mean they have been getting 19.13 18.50 and 19.81 and I just hope it’s not too late to Save NCIS
First thing they need to do it keep the character around like EJ and other NCIS agent Its not believable that only one NCIS agent can do all these case something eels they need to do is stop thinking that were all a bunch of sex wanting Teenagers I mean that great for Two and A Half Men but leave the fart jokes and the character want to have sex with everything that move to that show.
paperdyer
January 17th, 2012 12:29 PM
Tony's immaturity is defense mechanism. If you make a joke about something you can rationize that the hurt isn'y as bad as well as keep people at a slight distance so you can't get hurt any further. Howevr the exact opposite is true. You want to be needed and appreciated and have close relationships. Tony acting more mature means he's ready to move on. just in time for his ex to visit and rip him open again.
Crystal
January 17th, 2012 10:16 AM
Cote de Pablo deserves an Emmy award for her brilliant performance in this episode.
frank
January 17th, 2012 10:12 AM
Every one, fyi, "micheal" & co. are those pathetic haters from the infamous Anti-haven in old cbs/ncis forum.
Karen
January 17th, 2012 10:02 AM
Thank you for the well balanced review, from people who obviously watch the show and like all the characters.
I would like to see Tony and Ziva together, if it is done well and remains in the background.
maggie
January 17th, 2012 9:26 AM
I enjoyed the Tony/Ziva scenes that show two mature adults cherishing each other, as well as the caring Gibbs. The team is a family. The punch to Ray was an added bonus.
If they stop having so many guest stars be the focus of story lines, they can give more air time to Abby, Mcgee, and Ducky.
I would like to see Tony and Ziva together in a humorous/sexy/loving relationship.
tiva (Tania) Rank: Recurring Character
January 17th, 2012 8:36 AM
I agree with the round table. I think they will give us more of Abby shes great I do want to see more of her and her brother. I glad that Tony episodes this year last season there were only a couple episode about him. I also want to see a little bit more McGee episodes as well. and Ducky too I hope he can find a lady who not crazy. now here's my opinion on Tony and Ziva I would like them together however I don't see it yet I think they wont be together until they last episode.
mimi
January 17th, 2012 7:45 AM
This Michael-person reviewer appears to be a very negative, grumpy, unhappy chap. Perhaps he/she (?) should consider watching "SpongeBob Squarepants." Poor Michael could use some definite cheering up.
PCN
January 17th, 2012 7:41 AM
Steve, Matt and Eric - great round table, as usual, for a truly great episode. I'm really loving the way this season is progressing and I agree with Steve re: the development of Tony and Ziva's relationship. It is developing and deepening in a believable and authentic manner and as long as the storylines and other characters' development aren't compromised,it is really on the right track. I personally would love to see Tony and Ziva together because the fact that it is a procedural show means that it should be able to work and maintain integrity. The acting in this episode was just wonderful - the cop who lost his wife was incredible, as were the performances of CDP and MW. It seems the writers have sent all the characters on their own separate journeys this season so far so looking forward to them coming back together again in this next part of the season.
Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2012 11:52 PM
annie921 - In the "Gibbs Delivers" review is where he directs the "aren't smart" directly at me (one of the last comments, so easy to find). I do agree that fans can have all different points of view and still be fans. That's what makes reading the comments fun -- and I've read many more but have even been involved in a few back and forth opinions of what some episode of one show or another meant at TV Fanatic. I would like to think that the comments are for the sharing of enthusiasms and, yes, the frustrations of our favorite shows as well -- except as a sharing and not an alienation.
annie921
January 16th, 2012 10:26 PM
Well I guess I missed the post where Michael accused someone of not being smart for not sharing his views, and I've heard many posters use the - you're not a real fan if . . . . argument. But IMO of those types of comments are inappropriate to me.
janet
January 16th, 2012 10:04 PM
hi editor hows everything with you loved your comment,yes i know we should ignore michael and his lies but i for one cant.anyway loved this episode it had a bit of everything and with over 21million viewers the people at NCIS are doing something right.
Keith Vlasak Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2012 9:42 PM
annie921 --
It is Michael who says all the time that if you don't agree with him you "aren't smart." He also says you must agree with him or you aren't a "real fan." Don't ever criticize anyone for responding to his hatred of everyone! The people who comment are not garbage for Michael to stomp on while we lay palm fronds in front of him.
Annie
January 16th, 2012 8:39 PM
Is no one here familiar with how these shows go? Bellisario's long-running "JAG"'s main couple, Harm and Mack, were teased continuously throughout the entire series of the show, and were not definitively and "officially" together until the last 5 or so minutes of the last show in the series.
This is how I think Tony and Ziva will come together - in a similar fashion.
And personally, I think that's the best way to do it.
annie921
January 16th, 2012 6:20 PM
While I don't always understand Michael's comments, he has a right to have an opinion that differs from others and not be insulted. I too find ZIva's over done super skills and her holier than thou attitude an irritant and a real drag to the show. And there are others who feel this way as well. It's fine with me though if other fans love Ziva. But to me, the focus on this strangely written character diminishes the quality of the show. Personal attacks and bickering by posters don't win arguments or flatter anyone.
Kate
January 16th, 2012 6:02 PM
Not only is Michael right he also not a sheep like so many fans and accpted the crap were getting Come on REAL NCIS fans let stand togther and tell The writer to BRING BACK NCIS.....
Lynn
January 16th, 2012 4:55 PM
KimBrady,
Thanks for the whop upside my head. I take every thing back that I wrote earlier, just one of those days! This is the only show I watch. I do want to see more McAbby!!!! (and less of Tiva)
KimBrady
January 16th, 2012 2:56 PM
Lynn - you are a bit like Michael
If you don't like Tony, Ziva and Palmer turn off the damn show and go watch
something you actually like ! Good lord .....
editor
January 16th, 2012 2:54 PM
Yes, stupid Michael is a 'dick' - but I have it on good authority from people in the know who have heard of Michael and his comments since - well, forever, that that "dick" is really a "jane" and has always spouted this hatred How sad - but how clever that everyone realizes just who and what he/she is ....
Round Table guys - wonderful reviews - always. You must ACTUALLY watch the show because you can tell! The only thing I disagree with you, STEVE and MATT, is yes, of course Tony and Ziva should get together. All these years have been leading up to it and if it doesn't happen - what a completed let down.
I totally loved A Desperate Man. Was glad to see the last of CIRay - that rotten killer - It was also wonderful to see the end of ej the week before. Perhaps now we CAN get some Team interaction for the rest of the season.
Lynn
January 16th, 2012 2:39 PM
I love McGee and Abby, why can't we have more McAbby?? The whole Tiva thing is about to make me barf. Every week FOREVER! this has been the story. Let them have sex and let them realize that they both are bad lovers and it was not what thought it would be like and poof Tiva is gone! Oh I don't like Palmer either!
gigi
January 16th, 2012 2:29 PM
I'm with annie921 as far as Tony's maturity level. This episode was probably the most grown up Tony I've ever seen! I mean, for gawd's sake, he was TAKING MESSAGES from Ray for Ziva and actually sticking up for the guy and encouraging her to give him a chance! I didn't see that old jealous tortured Tony using goofiness to cover up his pain at all. I think he truly hurt for Ziva when she got stood up and was definitely there for her to lean on when she needed to talk.
I also agree that Gibbs needs to smile more (and not that sardonic, sarcastic one but a REAL one)!
Anyway, great episode and I can't wait till #200!!
Beeline
January 16th, 2012 2:17 PM
I've never been overly fond of Tiva. Seems like that's all the shipping we'll get on the show. Been going on for years, and an on-off-on-off-thing...just like a light bulb.
Then Abby, McGee and Ducky having had memorable stories. True, but have they ever had real arcs? Nope.
I don't mind Gibbs "will always command the most attention", but I'd rather they laid Mexico to rest.
Really looking forward to Palmer's wedding, Abby and her brother. Nice! Makes us all curious.
But then: yet anOTHER love interest for McGee? How will the writers get rid of that girl this time? Why always the failed love interests for Tim. And there we thought Maxine was the one! Maybe he should've been sent to a monastery after all.
MWK
January 16th, 2012 1:55 PM
Don't want a romantic TIVA at all, but I very much approve of the supportive and flirty friendship/partnership they share. I thought this episode was awkward all around, from the dialogue to the plot line. Every line the cop/husband said was a cliche and over acted, I was almost embarrassed for the poor actor. His end line about cherishing was just the pits, after all his carrying-on this would be the last thing he would notice. I knew C-I-Ray would be dirty and mess up, but I was hoping for involvement with Gang of Eight or whatever they were named. He and the Scott Wolf character colluding would have been great. I think it is the self righteous attitude that made this episode not a winner for me. Ray killed someone as collateral damage /oh my!/ Ray disobeyed his superiors /oh my/ Ray is finished /my a@@/ as if every other member of the team and especially Gibbs has not thrived doing those exact things. Abby's wonderful crime scene reenactment was fabulous!
annie921
January 16th, 2012 1:34 PM
I don't get where these Tony should grow up comments are coming from. He was nothing but kind and supportive in A Desperate Man. I'm fine with friendship between Ziva and Tony but don't want a soapish romance.
I loved the cop character in ADM. His angst and pain were a nice detail that added realism to the show. I loved the cop to cop scene with Tony. What I didn't like was his contrived third party endorsement of Tiva in the last scene. The whole episode he was a wreck, and when the MCRT finally solved the case, does he care who his wife's murderer is? Why he murdered her? What kind of punishment he would receive? No was more interested in how long Tony and Ziva had been a couple. These forced Tiva angles are just tacky and mess up a good story.
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
January 17th, 2012 12:40 PM
One more thing these show is call Naval Criminal Investigative Service Yet there has been no Naval people on the show for over 4 months and when was the last time they were on a ship I mean does these show even know what it’s about.
I still can't believe these show thinks being in a relationship with a woman who abuse you and put you down ever chance you get is Ok
January 17th, 2012 12:38 PM
will say these at least we have "Life before His Eyes to look forward to NCIS need to do something I mean they have been getting 19.13 18.50 and 19.81 and I just hope it’s not too late to Save NCIS
First thing they need to do it keep the character around like EJ and other NCIS agent Its not believable that only one NCIS agent can do all these case something eels they need to do is stop thinking that were all a bunch of sex wanting Teenagers I mean that great for Two and A Half Men but leave the fart jokes and the character want to have sex with everything that move to that show.
January 17th, 2012 12:29 PM
Tony's immaturity is defense mechanism. If you make a joke about something you can rationize that the hurt isn'y as bad as well as keep people at a slight distance so you can't get hurt any further. Howevr the exact opposite is true. You want to be needed and appreciated and have close relationships. Tony acting more mature means he's ready to move on. just in time for his ex to visit and rip him open again.
January 17th, 2012 10:16 AM
Cote de Pablo deserves an Emmy award for her brilliant performance in this episode.
January 17th, 2012 10:12 AM
Every one, fyi, "micheal" & co. are those pathetic haters from the infamous Anti-haven in old cbs/ncis forum.
January 17th, 2012 10:02 AM
Thank you for the well balanced review, from people who obviously watch the show and like all the characters.
I would like to see Tony and Ziva together, if it is done well and remains in the background.
January 17th, 2012 9:26 AM
I enjoyed the Tony/Ziva scenes that show two mature adults cherishing each other, as well as the caring Gibbs. The team is a family. The punch to Ray was an added bonus.
If they stop having so many guest stars be the focus of story lines, they can give more air time to Abby, Mcgee, and Ducky.
I would like to see Tony and Ziva together in a humorous/sexy/loving relationship.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 17th, 2012 8:36 AM
I agree with the round table. I think they will give us more of Abby shes great I do want to see more of her and her brother. I glad that Tony episodes this year last season there were only a couple episode about him. I also want to see a little bit more McGee episodes as well. and Ducky too I hope he can find a lady who not crazy. now here's my opinion on Tony and Ziva I would like them together however I don't see it yet I think they wont be together until they last episode.
January 17th, 2012 7:45 AM
This Michael-person reviewer appears to be a very negative, grumpy, unhappy chap. Perhaps he/she (?) should consider watching "SpongeBob Squarepants." Poor Michael could use some definite cheering up.
January 17th, 2012 7:41 AM
Steve, Matt and Eric - great round table, as usual, for a truly great episode. I'm really loving the way this season is progressing and I agree with Steve re: the development of Tony and Ziva's relationship. It is developing and deepening in a believable and authentic manner and as long as the storylines and other characters' development aren't compromised,it is really on the right track. I personally would love to see Tony and Ziva together because the fact that it is a procedural show means that it should be able to work and maintain integrity. The acting in this episode was just wonderful - the cop who lost his wife was incredible, as were the performances of CDP and MW. It seems the writers have sent all the characters on their own separate journeys this season so far so looking forward to them coming back together again in this next part of the season.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2012 11:52 PM
annie921 - In the "Gibbs Delivers" review is where he directs the "aren't smart" directly at me (one of the last comments, so easy to find). I do agree that fans can have all different points of view and still be fans. That's what makes reading the comments fun -- and I've read many more but have even been involved in a few back and forth opinions of what some episode of one show or another meant at TV Fanatic. I would like to think that the comments are for the sharing of enthusiasms and, yes, the frustrations of our favorite shows as well -- except as a sharing and not an alienation.
January 16th, 2012 10:26 PM
Well I guess I missed the post where Michael accused someone of not being smart for not sharing his views, and I've heard many posters use the - you're not a real fan if . . . . argument. But IMO of those types of comments are inappropriate to me.
January 16th, 2012 10:04 PM
hi editor hows everything with you loved your comment,yes i know we should ignore michael and his lies but i for one cant.anyway loved this episode it had a bit of everything and with over 21million viewers the people at NCIS are doing something right.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 16th, 2012 9:42 PM
annie921 --
It is Michael who says all the time that if you don't agree with him you "aren't smart." He also says you must agree with him or you aren't a "real fan." Don't ever criticize anyone for responding to his hatred of everyone! The people who comment are not garbage for Michael to stomp on while we lay palm fronds in front of him.
January 16th, 2012 8:39 PM
Is no one here familiar with how these shows go? Bellisario's long-running "JAG"'s main couple, Harm and Mack, were teased continuously throughout the entire series of the show, and were not definitively and "officially" together until the last 5 or so minutes of the last show in the series.
This is how I think Tony and Ziva will come together - in a similar fashion.
And personally, I think that's the best way to do it.
January 16th, 2012 6:20 PM
While I don't always understand Michael's comments, he has a right to have an opinion that differs from others and not be insulted. I too find ZIva's over done super skills and her holier than thou attitude an irritant and a real drag to the show. And there are others who feel this way as well. It's fine with me though if other fans love Ziva. But to me, the focus on this strangely written character diminishes the quality of the show. Personal attacks and bickering by posters don't win arguments or flatter anyone.
January 16th, 2012 6:02 PM
Not only is Michael right he also not a sheep like so many fans and accpted the crap were getting Come on REAL NCIS fans let stand togther and tell The writer to BRING BACK NCIS.....
January 16th, 2012 4:55 PM
KimBrady,
Thanks for the whop upside my head. I take every thing back that I wrote earlier, just one of those days! This is the only show I watch. I do want to see more McAbby!!!! (and less of Tiva)
January 16th, 2012 2:56 PM
Lynn - you are a bit like Michael
If you don't like Tony, Ziva and Palmer turn off the damn show and go watch
something you actually like ! Good lord .....
January 16th, 2012 2:54 PM
Yes, stupid Michael is a 'dick' - but I have it on good authority from people in the know who have heard of Michael and his comments since - well, forever, that that "dick" is really a "jane" and has always spouted this hatred How sad - but how clever that everyone realizes just who and what he/she is ....
Round Table guys - wonderful reviews - always. You must ACTUALLY watch the show because you can tell! The only thing I disagree with you, STEVE and MATT, is yes, of course Tony and Ziva should get together. All these years have been leading up to it and if it doesn't happen - what a completed let down.
I totally loved A Desperate Man. Was glad to see the last of CIRay - that rotten killer - It was also wonderful to see the end of ej the week before. Perhaps now we CAN get some Team interaction for the rest of the season.
January 16th, 2012 2:39 PM
I love McGee and Abby, why can't we have more McAbby?? The whole Tiva thing is about to make me barf. Every week FOREVER! this has been the story. Let them have sex and let them realize that they both are bad lovers and it was not what thought it would be like and poof Tiva is gone! Oh I don't like Palmer either!
January 16th, 2012 2:29 PM
I'm with annie921 as far as Tony's maturity level. This episode was probably the most grown up Tony I've ever seen! I mean, for gawd's sake, he was TAKING MESSAGES from Ray for Ziva and actually sticking up for the guy and encouraging her to give him a chance! I didn't see that old jealous tortured Tony using goofiness to cover up his pain at all. I think he truly hurt for Ziva when she got stood up and was definitely there for her to lean on when she needed to talk.
I also agree that Gibbs needs to smile more (and not that sardonic, sarcastic one but a REAL one)!
Anyway, great episode and I can't wait till #200!!
January 16th, 2012 2:17 PM
I've never been overly fond of Tiva. Seems like that's all the shipping we'll get on the show. Been going on for years, and an on-off-on-off-thing...just like a light bulb.
Then Abby, McGee and Ducky having had memorable stories. True, but have they ever had real arcs? Nope.
I don't mind Gibbs "will always command the most attention", but I'd rather they laid Mexico to rest.
Really looking forward to Palmer's wedding, Abby and her brother. Nice! Makes us all curious.
But then: yet anOTHER love interest for McGee? How will the writers get rid of that girl this time? Why always the failed love interests for Tim. And there we thought Maxine was the one! Maybe he should've been sent to a monastery after all.
January 16th, 2012 1:55 PM
Don't want a romantic TIVA at all, but I very much approve of the supportive and flirty friendship/partnership they share. I thought this episode was awkward all around, from the dialogue to the plot line. Every line the cop/husband said was a cliche and over acted, I was almost embarrassed for the poor actor. His end line about cherishing was just the pits, after all his carrying-on this would be the last thing he would notice. I knew C-I-Ray would be dirty and mess up, but I was hoping for involvement with Gang of Eight or whatever they were named. He and the Scott Wolf character colluding would have been great. I think it is the self righteous attitude that made this episode not a winner for me. Ray killed someone as collateral damage /oh my!/ Ray disobeyed his superiors /oh my/ Ray is finished /my a@@/ as if every other member of the team and especially Gibbs has not thrived doing those exact things. Abby's wonderful crime scene reenactment was fabulous!
January 16th, 2012 1:34 PM
I don't get where these Tony should grow up comments are coming from. He was nothing but kind and supportive in A Desperate Man. I'm fine with friendship between Ziva and Tony but don't want a soapish romance.
I loved the cop character in ADM. His angst and pain were a nice detail that added realism to the show. I loved the cop to cop scene with Tony. What I didn't like was his contrived third party endorsement of Tiva in the last scene. The whole episode he was a wreck, and when the MCRT finally solved the case, does he care who his wife's murderer is? Why he murdered her? What kind of punishment he would receive? No was more interested in how long Tony and Ziva had been a couple. These forced Tiva angles are just tacky and mess up a good story.