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January 8th, 2012 4:21 PM
I would not characterize the Mexico shooting as "no good reason" any more than Gibbs-the-sniper in his sand camo gear gunned down Sharif (Sharim?) in the desert when he was about to kill Tony.
Having an edgy Secnav and a rogue agent in Stratton is fantastically suspenseful. Same with Portside-Killer thread that ended in having (my fave guest star) Franks written out of the show. I would love to know the behind-the-scenes on that one.
There used to be a great balance with Gibbs, Tony and Ziva all being strong physical players. This is such a great show: I think the new writing team will find their balance with it--they have plenty of back-seat drivers! It's the only show on TV that I actively pursue watching. Family! I think it's because of Gibbs tying it all together as the father figure BTW, love the Beltway Madam character and how they have her playing off Gibbs as a strong story element when she's on.
emeli
January 8th, 2012 4:06 PM
I love TIVA! Excellent episode! Excellent end! I hope that CIRay will disappear and that takes the TIVA relationship! Brutal chemistry between Tony and Ziva!
Michael
January 7th, 2012 10:53 PM
Take a deep breath, Tiva people! Now pay attention. The show is about more than Tiva. Surely, you've been through this with other shows. Tony and Ziva are never going to get together. (Didn't any of you watch Gilmore Girls?) And despite your absolute statements that fans will hate this, speak for yourselves. Those of us who enjoy the show as a whole don't necessarily drink the Tiva Kool Aid. Personally, I don't want any of the characters to ever "get together". I'm fine with the occasional flirtations, but anything more might ruin the dynamic of the team. However, if they do go down that road, I won't get hysterical and threaten to never watch again. I have faith in the creators/writers/producers of this show that they'll be entertaining, no matter where they take us.
Don't any of you get tired of writing the same rants over and over, year after year?
gigi
January 7th, 2012 7:47 PM
Ooh...just saw on tvguide that the Valentine's episode is Tony and Wendy! Wow, didn't see that coming. Should be interesting.
gigi
January 7th, 2012 7:08 PM
Great roundtable, guys! I didn't see this ep as a Tiva-centric one at all. I'm not on team Tiva, but don't see anything wrong with the writers giving those fans some love. Watching Tony flirt is a real blast! There's a ton of other stuff that this episode could lead to...Stratton, the Mexico thing (hope not, YUCK), Ziva/Ray, the upcoming wedding, etc.
I was just thrilled that Gibbs got some mojo back, they had an awesome gunfight, EJ is gone, and MW got to show his emotional range (from mad at EJ to flirting with Ziva.
If they're going to end the season with the typical cliffhanger, and the wedding is the season finale (as I've heard it is) then can we picture a long shot up the aisle showing the backs of the bride and groom and then come around and...WHAM!...it's NOT Palmer and Breena? Don't know, but I can't wait to see it...
AJA
January 7th, 2012 5:05 PM
While lots of fans want to see Tony and Ziva together, there a lots of fans who don't. More than likely, the great majority just want to be pleasantly entertained. If Tiva happens it would change the dynamic. For most shows, putting lead characters into a romance is the kiss of death. I personally don't want them together as I don't want NCIS to turn into a soap opera, which is what I think will happen. Also, I can't help but not like the way Ziva has judged herself superior to Tony in the last few years. I think it would greatly diminish Tony to pair him with Ziva. And the writers have diminished him too much already in order to make other characters look better. Look at how he never gets the exciting danger scenes anymore so that they can all go to Ziva and GIbbs. I don't want Tiva.
Michael
January 7th, 2012 3:20 PM
20 million people NCIS just gave the middle finger too
KimBrady
January 7th, 2012 3:19 PM
Gentlemen, that was a wonderful Round Table Review. What a total pleasure to read the reviews here because it is so very obvious that you all watch the show. I enjoyed this episode more than any others this Season. I have to say Michael Weatherly dominated the night for me- happily - he had it all - I really love mad Tony, in charge Tony and sexy romantic Tony 'most of all' - just like the scraecrow ! He has finally grown up and taken a good look across the bullpen - it has taken years - but finally a positive sign that he now knows...lets say goodbye Ray..and 20 million plus viewers (except Ziva hater Michael here) will be very excited and happy.
Congratulations NCIS - job very well done
editor
January 7th, 2012 3:04 PM
I readily admit that I have never liked ej - however, your assessment of her is correct - this time she followed orders and acted on part of a Team - Gibbs Team and she even opened Tony's eyes to his relationship with Ziva. Good she is gone. But she helped make this episode one of the best episodes this season.
The ending was very short but oh so satisfying - we have waited literally years for it. Amazing - Both Michael and Cote know just how to bring the heat as the writer said...I can not wait to see more.
I hope to see the end of CIRay soon. And it was wonderful to see Timmy with something more to do. I love this show and no more so than now after 9 years..just the best there is...
Michael
January 7th, 2012 12:12 PM
Dear Gary
you know TPTB was fire from the show because of Tiva and now if you don't fix these you will be fire as well YOU ARE NOT ON THE CW your on CBS Stop being a 16 year old girl and starting being a MAN for once your life
Jess
January 7th, 2012 6:24 AM
Thought this was the one of the strongest episodes of the season. Great to see the writers seem to be willing to make definative action when it comes to the Tony/ Ziva dynamic! It's such a complex relationship that has a lot of potential for great story-telling. Heres to more like this one!
I really enjoyed reading this. The TIVA scene at the end was nicely done and I loved every minute of it. TPTB did a great job with not only the TIVA scene but with the rest of the episode as well. I've been enjoying the forward movement of TIVA. I really do hope that Ziva says no to Ray during next week's episode. I don't want them dragging this out. Get it over with and move on. TPTB, I fully believe can give us TIVA and still keep Team Gibbs and the solving cases front and center, which I want them to do. I love this show and this season has been really great so far. I can't wait to see where things go from here and what is in store for the SF.
amber
January 7th, 2012 12:45 AM
Agree with J. Why is it that Ziva is the only one getting action scenes now? Why not Tony anymore? He used to get danger and hero scenes. Now they all go to Ziva and GIbbs. It looks like she's going to take the suspect down in A Desperate Man too. Wonder why the writers are pushing her forward again. Don't they care that some fans want to see other characters be the hero too. I was hoping that once Shane Brennan left ZCIS might turn back into NCIS. Guess I was wrong.
Michael
January 6th, 2012 11:29 PM
What Gibbs say to kate back in Yankee White keep poping in my head all day when she did it at her job he said " You Pull that crap at NCIS I wont give you the chance to quit".
and Let not forget Weatherly almost quit NCIS back in season 7 because of Tiva and how they were portraying his character
janet
January 6th, 2012 11:13 PM
lets just hope there are more episodes like housekeeping and of course more tiva,did anyone notice they both seemed to fit together.
J
January 6th, 2012 7:49 PM
It was a good wrap up with EJ's storyline. Though didn't really like the character but she redeemed herself.
Still miss Jeanne... She & Tony really loved each other.
I've had enough of the teasing between Tony & ziva. Recently she's been a BULLY to Tony. From the way I see it, that's not how you should treat some which you may have feelings for. Coz it was clearly not a 'playful' bully.
On a side note, Tony do care for ziva. He will always be there to protect his team members no matter what. The same goes for Ziva. But that's where it ends.
I've also been wondering why Ziva has been central to the action. Even Tony has been relegated to some kind of backseat. How about Mc Gee? Abby?
I miss their scenes & interaction. Of course, not forgetting dear Ducky & Jimmy.
It seems that the show is slowly moving towards Ziva having more of the action, even at the expense of decreasing the screen time for Gibbs.
This show is about Gibbs & team!!!
Michael
January 6th, 2012 4:13 PM
The writer better fix these or there REAL fan are going to quit watching
everglade
January 6th, 2012 2:12 PM
A very good episode this week. Loved the ending scene with Tony and Ziva, CdP and MW have such great chemistry together that the writers should take advantage of it.
Melissa
January 6th, 2012 12:10 PM
I am still reeling over this episode! There was such a large step forward on the Tiva front (which I hope isn't followed by three equally large steps back, which is often true to the writers). I look back and piece together all of the subtle moments that have happened over the course of this season and last regarding them and... well, I'm just hoping they take it in the right direction and get CI-Ray out of there! Can't wait for the next episode! "Do you really consider me to be... in your life?"
A great episode! I am very glad they had a good exit for EJ. I was a little bit wary for that one. But they gave her a good exit story. She still is not my favorite, she still displayed all the traits that irked me to no end since the first time she set foot in the squad room. But her meddling with my favorite pair made her gain a few points in my book.
And that last scene!!! OMG,! My shipper heart exploded!!!! To quote my friend: "THIS is how you beat the moonlighting curse, by doing it right!" They have been individually building these characters since the beginning of the season, laying down a stable foundation to put a relationship on. And now they are starting to come together.
Do I think Ziva will say yes to Ray? No way in hell!
michael
January 6th, 2012 11:43 AM
I just can't believe how much they fix Tony after what Ziva did to him just to throw it all away by making him Ziva bitch again
kytivafan
January 6th, 2012 11:37 AM
I loved this episode from beginning to end. I was not excited to see the return of EJ and was actually dreading it, but she did manage to redeem herself in this episode. I don't think we will see her again. She got a good send off and her plotline is wrapped up. I know that Rocky Carroll was not contracted for this episode, but it would have been nice to have Gibbs or SecNav explain his absence. It was glaring.
The tiva scene at the end was wonderful and I am very excited to see some obvious forward movement on the T/Z front. I hope that Ziva says no to Ray. Any drama from that or from a love triangle or jealousy would not interest me in the least. I do believe that the writers can give us Tiva and still keep the team dynamic alive - the chemistry between the two is just too obvious to ignore or waste. I say use it but use it wisely.
Svenja
January 6th, 2012 11:08 AM
I am surprised by the fact that the writers used EJ as a trigger for Tiva movement. The scene was brilliant and very well executed. Intimate, intense and the chemistry of CdP and MW is just stunning. I hope they won't turn this into some soap-ish scenario where Ziva accepts Ray's proposal.
A love triangle etc. would be too much for NCIS. A "no" would be appropriate. I don't expect Tony and Ziva to get together right away, but it could happen gradually without changing the show's essence. I believe Tiva can be done very well, but you need to do it right. Hopefully the writers will prove that Tiva and "romance" on a procedual is possible without changing the show. I know they can do it. Thanks for the roundtable. Was a pleasure to read it.
Svenja
January 6th, 2012 11:07 AM
I think it was a good episode. Not too complicated, suspense, action, tension and more question. Cole was a good baddie. Loved the interrogation scene. It passed me chills when he started singing this song. Even EJ was much nicer than usual. Do I like her character? No, not very much, but she wasn't snarky or running around like she was the queen of the headquaters. No, she was more human and calm. Tony's anger was kinda hot and I loved seeing more of his serious-competent side. Kudos to him for calling CI-Ray a lousy dude in front of Ziva. I am kinda surprised that Latham and Cole/Stratton are out of the picture already. But Cole's Mexico reference definitely indicated that there's more to come. I know some people dislike the thought of bringing Pedro Hernandez up again, but Gibbs did commit a felony and it comes back to haunt him. It makes sense. I wasn't an order. It wasn't work-related. It was murder (though I get why he did it).
guest
January 6th, 2012 10:47 AM
Great roundtable - agree with pretty much everything said. I didn't really like 'Thirst' but Mr Williams did a fantastic job with this episode - all of it. The Tony & Ziva moment was priceless, hope the vibe continues:)
Michael; lots of people like Ziva. You don't & that's fine. Are you really suggesting viewers are able to like only those characters sanctioned by you? I don't want to watch Michael approved t.v. shows, thanks all the same.
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
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January 8th, 2012 4:21 PM
I would not characterize the Mexico shooting as "no good reason" any more than Gibbs-the-sniper in his sand camo gear gunned down Sharif (Sharim?) in the desert when he was about to kill Tony.
Having an edgy Secnav and a rogue agent in Stratton is fantastically suspenseful. Same with Portside-Killer thread that ended in having (my fave guest star) Franks written out of the show. I would love to know the behind-the-scenes on that one.
There used to be a great balance with Gibbs, Tony and Ziva all being strong physical players. This is such a great show: I think the new writing team will find their balance with it--they have plenty of back-seat drivers! It's the only show on TV that I actively pursue watching. Family! I think it's because of Gibbs tying it all together as the father figure BTW, love the Beltway Madam character and how they have her playing off Gibbs as a strong story element when she's on.
January 8th, 2012 4:06 PM
I love TIVA! Excellent episode! Excellent end! I hope that CIRay will disappear and that takes the TIVA relationship! Brutal chemistry between Tony and Ziva!
January 7th, 2012 10:53 PM
Take a deep breath, Tiva people! Now pay attention. The show is about more than Tiva. Surely, you've been through this with other shows. Tony and Ziva are never going to get together. (Didn't any of you watch Gilmore Girls?) And despite your absolute statements that fans will hate this, speak for yourselves. Those of us who enjoy the show as a whole don't necessarily drink the Tiva Kool Aid. Personally, I don't want any of the characters to ever "get together". I'm fine with the occasional flirtations, but anything more might ruin the dynamic of the team. However, if they do go down that road, I won't get hysterical and threaten to never watch again. I have faith in the creators/writers/producers of this show that they'll be entertaining, no matter where they take us.
Don't any of you get tired of writing the same rants over and over, year after year?
January 7th, 2012 7:47 PM
Ooh...just saw on tvguide that the Valentine's episode is Tony and Wendy! Wow, didn't see that coming. Should be interesting.
January 7th, 2012 7:08 PM
Great roundtable, guys! I didn't see this ep as a Tiva-centric one at all. I'm not on team Tiva, but don't see anything wrong with the writers giving those fans some love. Watching Tony flirt is a real blast! There's a ton of other stuff that this episode could lead to...Stratton, the Mexico thing (hope not, YUCK), Ziva/Ray, the upcoming wedding, etc.
I was just thrilled that Gibbs got some mojo back, they had an awesome gunfight, EJ is gone, and MW got to show his emotional range (from mad at EJ to flirting with Ziva.
If they're going to end the season with the typical cliffhanger, and the wedding is the season finale (as I've heard it is) then can we picture a long shot up the aisle showing the backs of the bride and groom and then come around and...WHAM!...it's NOT Palmer and Breena? Don't know, but I can't wait to see it...
January 7th, 2012 5:05 PM
While lots of fans want to see Tony and Ziva together, there a lots of fans who don't. More than likely, the great majority just want to be pleasantly entertained. If Tiva happens it would change the dynamic. For most shows, putting lead characters into a romance is the kiss of death. I personally don't want them together as I don't want NCIS to turn into a soap opera, which is what I think will happen. Also, I can't help but not like the way Ziva has judged herself superior to Tony in the last few years. I think it would greatly diminish Tony to pair him with Ziva. And the writers have diminished him too much already in order to make other characters look better. Look at how he never gets the exciting danger scenes anymore so that they can all go to Ziva and GIbbs. I don't want Tiva.
January 7th, 2012 3:20 PM
20 million people NCIS just gave the middle finger too
January 7th, 2012 3:19 PM
Gentlemen, that was a wonderful Round Table Review. What a total pleasure to read the reviews here because it is so very obvious that you all watch the show. I enjoyed this episode more than any others this Season. I have to say Michael Weatherly dominated the night for me- happily - he had it all - I really love mad Tony, in charge Tony and sexy romantic Tony 'most of all' - just like the scraecrow ! He has finally grown up and taken a good look across the bullpen - it has taken years - but finally a positive sign that he now knows...lets say goodbye Ray..and 20 million plus viewers (except Ziva hater Michael here) will be very excited and happy.
Congratulations NCIS - job very well done
January 7th, 2012 3:04 PM
I readily admit that I have never liked ej - however, your assessment of her is correct - this time she followed orders and acted on part of a Team - Gibbs Team and she even opened Tony's eyes to his relationship with Ziva. Good she is gone. But she helped make this episode one of the best episodes this season.
The ending was very short but oh so satisfying - we have waited literally years for it. Amazing - Both Michael and Cote know just how to bring the heat as the writer said...I can not wait to see more.
I hope to see the end of CIRay soon. And it was wonderful to see Timmy with something more to do. I love this show and no more so than now after 9 years..just the best there is...
January 7th, 2012 12:12 PM
Dear Gary
you know TPTB was fire from the show because of Tiva and now if you don't fix these you will be fire as well YOU ARE NOT ON THE CW your on CBS Stop being a 16 year old girl and starting being a MAN for once your life
January 7th, 2012 6:24 AM
Thought this was the one of the strongest episodes of the season. Great to see the writers seem to be willing to make definative action when it comes to the Tony/ Ziva dynamic! It's such a complex relationship that has a lot of potential for great story-telling. Heres to more like this one!
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January 7th, 2012 2:03 AM
I really enjoyed reading this. The TIVA scene at the end was nicely done and I loved every minute of it. TPTB did a great job with not only the TIVA scene but with the rest of the episode as well. I've been enjoying the forward movement of TIVA. I really do hope that Ziva says no to Ray during next week's episode. I don't want them dragging this out. Get it over with and move on. TPTB, I fully believe can give us TIVA and still keep Team Gibbs and the solving cases front and center, which I want them to do. I love this show and this season has been really great so far. I can't wait to see where things go from here and what is in store for the SF.
January 7th, 2012 12:45 AM
Agree with J. Why is it that Ziva is the only one getting action scenes now? Why not Tony anymore? He used to get danger and hero scenes. Now they all go to Ziva and GIbbs. It looks like she's going to take the suspect down in A Desperate Man too. Wonder why the writers are pushing her forward again. Don't they care that some fans want to see other characters be the hero too. I was hoping that once Shane Brennan left ZCIS might turn back into NCIS. Guess I was wrong.
January 6th, 2012 11:29 PM
What Gibbs say to kate back in Yankee White keep poping in my head all day when she did it at her job he said " You Pull that crap at NCIS I wont give you the chance to quit".
and Let not forget Weatherly almost quit NCIS back in season 7 because of Tiva and how they were portraying his character
January 6th, 2012 11:13 PM
lets just hope there are more episodes like housekeeping and of course more tiva,did anyone notice they both seemed to fit together.
January 6th, 2012 7:49 PM
It was a good wrap up with EJ's storyline. Though didn't really like the character but she redeemed herself.
Still miss Jeanne... She & Tony really loved each other.
I've had enough of the teasing between Tony & ziva. Recently she's been a BULLY to Tony. From the way I see it, that's not how you should treat some which you may have feelings for. Coz it was clearly not a 'playful' bully.
On a side note, Tony do care for ziva. He will always be there to protect his team members no matter what. The same goes for Ziva. But that's where it ends.
I've also been wondering why Ziva has been central to the action. Even Tony has been relegated to some kind of backseat. How about Mc Gee? Abby?
I miss their scenes & interaction. Of course, not forgetting dear Ducky & Jimmy.
It seems that the show is slowly moving towards Ziva having more of the action, even at the expense of decreasing the screen time for Gibbs.
This show is about Gibbs & team!!!
January 6th, 2012 4:13 PM
The writer better fix these or there REAL fan are going to quit watching
January 6th, 2012 2:12 PM
A very good episode this week. Loved the ending scene with Tony and Ziva, CdP and MW have such great chemistry together that the writers should take advantage of it.
January 6th, 2012 12:10 PM
I am still reeling over this episode! There was such a large step forward on the Tiva front (which I hope isn't followed by three equally large steps back, which is often true to the writers). I look back and piece together all of the subtle moments that have happened over the course of this season and last regarding them and... well, I'm just hoping they take it in the right direction and get CI-Ray out of there! Can't wait for the next episode! "Do you really consider me to be... in your life?"
Yes! Yes Yes! Brilliant scene. Brilliant episode! Can't wait for me! :)
January 6th, 2012 11:44 AM
A great episode! I am very glad they had a good exit for EJ. I was a little bit wary for that one. But they gave her a good exit story. She still is not my favorite, she still displayed all the traits that irked me to no end since the first time she set foot in the squad room. But her meddling with my favorite pair made her gain a few points in my book.
And that last scene!!! OMG,! My shipper heart exploded!!!! To quote my friend: "THIS is how you beat the moonlighting curse, by doing it right!" They have been individually building these characters since the beginning of the season, laying down a stable foundation to put a relationship on. And now they are starting to come together.
Do I think Ziva will say yes to Ray? No way in hell!
January 6th, 2012 11:43 AM
I just can't believe how much they fix Tony after what Ziva did to him just to throw it all away by making him Ziva bitch again
January 6th, 2012 11:37 AM
I loved this episode from beginning to end. I was not excited to see the return of EJ and was actually dreading it, but she did manage to redeem herself in this episode. I don't think we will see her again. She got a good send off and her plotline is wrapped up. I know that Rocky Carroll was not contracted for this episode, but it would have been nice to have Gibbs or SecNav explain his absence. It was glaring.
The tiva scene at the end was wonderful and I am very excited to see some obvious forward movement on the T/Z front. I hope that Ziva says no to Ray. Any drama from that or from a love triangle or jealousy would not interest me in the least. I do believe that the writers can give us Tiva and still keep the team dynamic alive - the chemistry between the two is just too obvious to ignore or waste. I say use it but use it wisely.
January 6th, 2012 11:08 AM
I am surprised by the fact that the writers used EJ as a trigger for Tiva movement. The scene was brilliant and very well executed. Intimate, intense and the chemistry of CdP and MW is just stunning. I hope they won't turn this into some soap-ish scenario where Ziva accepts Ray's proposal.
A love triangle etc. would be too much for NCIS. A "no" would be appropriate. I don't expect Tony and Ziva to get together right away, but it could happen gradually without changing the show's essence. I believe Tiva can be done very well, but you need to do it right. Hopefully the writers will prove that Tiva and "romance" on a procedual is possible without changing the show. I know they can do it. Thanks for the roundtable. Was a pleasure to read it.
January 6th, 2012 11:07 AM
I think it was a good episode. Not too complicated, suspense, action, tension and more question. Cole was a good baddie. Loved the interrogation scene. It passed me chills when he started singing this song. Even EJ was much nicer than usual. Do I like her character? No, not very much, but she wasn't snarky or running around like she was the queen of the headquaters. No, she was more human and calm. Tony's anger was kinda hot and I loved seeing more of his serious-competent side. Kudos to him for calling CI-Ray a lousy dude in front of Ziva. I am kinda surprised that Latham and Cole/Stratton are out of the picture already. But Cole's Mexico reference definitely indicated that there's more to come. I know some people dislike the thought of bringing Pedro Hernandez up again, but Gibbs did commit a felony and it comes back to haunt him. It makes sense. I wasn't an order. It wasn't work-related. It was murder (though I get why he did it).
January 6th, 2012 10:47 AM
Great roundtable - agree with pretty much everything said. I didn't really like 'Thirst' but Mr Williams did a fantastic job with this episode - all of it. The Tony & Ziva moment was priceless, hope the vibe continues:)
Michael; lots of people like Ziva. You don't & that's fine. Are you really suggesting viewers are able to like only those characters sanctioned by you? I don't want to watch Michael approved t.v. shows, thanks all the same.