Ace Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:40 AM
And with any character development that has that many chefs in the kitchen, of course a character will lack a well executed vision that a single author would have.
Ace Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:37 AM
@Where's Waldorf
At best, Chuck is a cheap imitation of an established literary work that fails to deliver. He's good, he's bad, oh we want him to succeed, oh he reverts back to his old ways, oh wait he's good again...
and at worst, he's a lazy writer's character whose daddy issues are so tried and trite possessing complexities that are supposed to give him depth serve nothing more than to highlight self-serving needs.
Uncle Jackass Rank: Regular Character
February 16th, 2012 6:33 AM
@anon, I have a quote as a rebuttal (not intending to antagonist). It's a quote that serves as either Pro-Chair or Pro-Dair.
"Trust is for old marrieds, -----. Great love is wild ... and passionate and dangerous. It burns and consumes."
"Until there's nothing left. Love like that doesn't last."
Ace Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:30 AM
@Where's Waldorf
Sure the writers can base character archetypes from Shakespeare, but the writers often fail to deliver or execue properly. The reason Shakespeare's characters are solid is that there's this consistency throughout, this progression to one side or another, and because the writers of GG pick and choose from their own character history, they fail to keep any kind of continunity whatsoever.
To pander to the advanced English students and academics is to presume that the GG writing staff is among that crowd, and given Safran's leadership, I highly doubt that any one of them hold any kind of pedigree to evoke that kind of depth.
anon
February 16th, 2012 5:54 AM
dan and blair are bland,yeah two good looking people who loves foreign films and then what?They will be like lily and rufus.I just don't see it.Love needs fire and excitement and adventure.just me, my opinion.
Where's Waldorf
February 16th, 2012 3:59 AM
The point is that Dair is not my ideal couple. I understand the importance of mutual interests and how it brings out the intellectual sides to Dan and Blair. But honestly, I'm not watching the show for that. I'm watching it for the crazy and sexy stuff that would never happen to me.
meandyou
February 16th, 2012 3:56 AM
DAIR for now! even Chair is the endgame!pls enjoy the show and stop complaning..sigh
Where's Waldorf
February 16th, 2012 3:53 AM
I wasn't trying to insinuate that viewers were stupid for not knowing that, I was explaining myself to people who didn't understand my previous comments if you look on the other pages of comments
Where's Waldorf
February 16th, 2012 3:48 AM
I'm not even reading into it, the writers said themselves that they are inspired by Shakespeare. And on top of that I clearly said that it was a show that was filled with hotties and scandal designed to entertain teens and mainstream viewers. I did not deny that that was what its for. I didn't even say they use Shakespeare well. I just said that they used his ideas. They are inspired by classic literature and film? Its always on twitter.
Rebecca
February 16th, 2012 3:41 AM
P.S. That sounded more hostile than I intended because I don't respond well to condescension. Sorry!
Rebecca
February 16th, 2012 3:33 AM
"there is a whole other dimension to this show that only advanced English students and academics can understand."
Please tell me you're kidding. That can be said of anything, because English majors are bullshit artists, trained to read into things that aren't necessarily there. It's an insult to Shakespeare to imply that GG's writing and direction are anywhere near the quality of the classics.
Gossip Girl is enjoyable for what it sets out to be: mindless entertainment in the form of pretty young things having a hard time deciding who to sleep with next. Most of us have noticed a decline in the show's ability to hold our attention, and it's unfair to insinuate that it's because we're stupid.
Where's Waldorf
February 16th, 2012 1:46 AM
Chuck's Dad leaves him with high expectations, even after he has died.
Chuck's mother betrayed him and his father for his uncle.
Chuck's uncle is his worst enemy.
He can never rise to the role of hero because of his flaws and issues.
That sounds a lot like Hamlet to me.
He is made out to be a villain, but in actual fact he is an anti-hero because we as the audience want him to succeed but he never does. That is what Shakespeare does to his heroes
Where's Waldorf
February 16th, 2012 1:39 AM
I'm not even sure why I'm even bothering to reason with someone who apparently doesn't even like this show.
You're not meant to watch Gossip Girl for good role models in women and to see people making the right choices. It's a controversial, dark and scandalous show that is meant to be entertaining with its out-of-this-world story lines. That's exactly what Chair represent, and sorry if that's too repetitive for you, but that's what Gossip Girl is. Maybe watch another show from now? OTH or Glee seem up your alley?
And the writers even said they base characters and story lines around Shakespeare. The tragic flaws in the characters are what keeps them from progressing. That's what the Shakespearean tragedy is all about. They've set it in the UES (with sex, hotties, money, high fashion and scandal) to gain mainstream and teen interest, but there is a whole other dimension to this show that only advanced English students and academics can understand.
Terra Banks
February 16th, 2012 1:36 AM
@Christina and Leigh for no. 3: I think you mean "chicks over dicks" since they're both girls and this is about a guy.
pty007
February 15th, 2012 10:33 PM
i really like dair but sometimes it make nonsense for example in the scene of the kiss do you really think blair will tell dan " what will make you happy dan.." i do not buy that but the kiss part was the best part i dont know why i feel so in touch with dan right now and i know that all of you people that love some one and cant have it when you got the chance to kiss it it feels amazing thats what i felt in that kiss because i know u never saw that kiss coming the way it came
c
February 15th, 2012 10:29 PM
blair's a bitch.i wouldnt do that to my bf.and if i were married, i'd be loyal even if i dont love the guy.and she's unstable.a few days ago she was saying she loved chuck,and now look.before this season i loved her,she was smart and confident now she's pathetic and more inmature than ever.its amazing how writers can mess with a character to the point of make'em worthless.i used to watch the show because chair were awesome.but dair just dont fit.they're boring and pathetic,im sorry to dans fans but he's the worst kind of person,he makes people believe he's all good and moral but he does bad things behind people's back and acts like if he was the pope! he is not honest at all. at least everyone knows what to expect from chuck. But dan! it's not the first time he does something like this to mess up with people.remember blair's bday last season?i'm sorry this show had become this lame actually.i really liked it now i'm just disappointed.
CharlieTrout
February 15th, 2012 9:58 PM
At least in previous season's, though she had some relationship problems, her life did not revolve around it. She had other things going on (trying to get into Yale, scheming, running her clique, helping Serena etc...). Now it's like all she does is think about boys, her life revolves around the men in her life, she has nothing else. She just sits down and takes everything now. In short to me Blair has become a boring, whining, uninspired person, who doesn't bother to find a way out of things herself, but relies on the men in her life (currently Dan) to save her. I did love this character, but I think she has seriously regressed, and I don't recognise her anymore beside a few snarky comments. I don't know what character the writers are writing?
CharlieTrout
February 15th, 2012 9:50 PM
I think Blair just needs to be single, and learn how to be Blair again. She has just become a whiney damsel in distress, with no aspirations, who's biggest decision in life is to choose which man to be with??? What happened to Queen B!! Her character is sounding more and more like the old Serena from highschool!!
CharlieTrout
February 15th, 2012 9:45 PM
Poor Duck = (
Juliette Rank: Regular Character
February 15th, 2012 9:42 PM
AHAH chair fans are upset. I guess Dan really is competition now
TEAM DAIR ALWAYS AND FOREVER AND EVER AND MAY THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!
Maribells Rank: Guest Star
February 15th, 2012 9:14 PM
And while I'm done with Chair for now (I'm sorry, I think Chuck deserves better than someone who tells him in one episode that she "loves him more and more every day" and then two episodes later is kissing another guy IN HIS ROOM), I'm done with Derena for good. I don't think Dan can ever come back from how horribly he's treated Serena. So maybe Blair and Dan do belong together, since they both bring out the worst in each other. At least that'll keep them away from the characters I still like.
Maribells Rank: Guest Star
February 15th, 2012 9:07 PM
Wow, people really think this is an example of Blair being mature and true to character? Stabbing her best friend in the back by kissing the guy she loves in her own ex-boyfriend's bedroom? The old Blair was a loyal friend to Serena, and would never have hurt Chuck in such a selfish and awful way.
Blair used to be my favorite character, and after this... I honestly think she deserves to end up alone, at least this season. So I gotta disagree with Courtney, I don't see anything left to love about B. She's basically turned into Serena, flighty and stupid and torn between all the men in her life. If Chuck and Serena have any sense, they'll both tell her to go F herself.
@Where's Waldorf She can't trust him because the plot says so, they need to keep up this repetitive drama. Blair is pathetic and weak, especially in the later seasons, especially the scene where Chuck tries to force himself on her in a drunken stupor and almost got a punch to the face or when she was traded for hotel to Chuck's enemy, Jack, like some piece of property.
Anonymous
February 15th, 2012 8:07 PM
@Where's Waldorf It's cliche, it's been done time and time again. Gossip Girl has nothing on Shakespeare, it's a poorly written teen drama that used to be fun/interesting and is now stale/repetitive just like the couple now. There's nothing complex about them, the writers just used them when they became popular in season 1 as the back/forth, on/off couple which involves ridiculous excuses for why they can't be together like the contrived pact to God/the Dowry and spew pathetically cheesy dialogue "I can't possibly love you anymore" *gag*. Blair is pathetic, she's constantly causing unnecessary drama and whines about Chuck. In fact this whole season's conflict could've been easily been avoided had it not been for her stupid contrived choices. Chuck either broods about Blair or stalks her when she's going somewhere. There's nothing complex about his soap opera family issues, especially since he doesn't fully develop, he's constantly regressing after 'changing'.
Serena: Congratulations, you've officially joined the dark side.
Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:40 AM
And with any character development that has that many chefs in the kitchen, of course a character will lack a well executed vision that a single author would have.
Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:37 AM
@Where's Waldorf
At best, Chuck is a cheap imitation of an established literary work that fails to deliver. He's good, he's bad, oh we want him to succeed, oh he reverts back to his old ways, oh wait he's good again...
and at worst, he's a lazy writer's character whose daddy issues are so tried and trite possessing complexities that are supposed to give him depth serve nothing more than to highlight self-serving needs.
Rank: Regular Character
February 16th, 2012 6:33 AM
@anon, I have a quote as a rebuttal (not intending to antagonist). It's a quote that serves as either Pro-Chair or Pro-Dair.
"Trust is for old marrieds, -----. Great love is wild ... and passionate and dangerous. It burns and consumes."
"Until there's nothing left. Love like that doesn't last."
Rank: Recurring Character
February 16th, 2012 6:30 AM
@Where's Waldorf
Sure the writers can base character archetypes from Shakespeare, but the writers often fail to deliver or execue properly. The reason Shakespeare's characters are solid is that there's this consistency throughout, this progression to one side or another, and because the writers of GG pick and choose from their own character history, they fail to keep any kind of continunity whatsoever.
To pander to the advanced English students and academics is to presume that the GG writing staff is among that crowd, and given Safran's leadership, I highly doubt that any one of them hold any kind of pedigree to evoke that kind of depth.
February 16th, 2012 5:54 AM
dan and blair are bland,yeah two good looking people who loves foreign films and then what?They will be like lily and rufus.I just don't see it.Love needs fire and excitement and adventure.just me, my opinion.
February 16th, 2012 3:59 AM
The point is that Dair is not my ideal couple. I understand the importance of mutual interests and how it brings out the intellectual sides to Dan and Blair. But honestly, I'm not watching the show for that. I'm watching it for the crazy and sexy stuff that would never happen to me.
February 16th, 2012 3:56 AM
DAIR for now! even Chair is the endgame!pls enjoy the show and stop complaning..sigh
February 16th, 2012 3:53 AM
I wasn't trying to insinuate that viewers were stupid for not knowing that, I was explaining myself to people who didn't understand my previous comments if you look on the other pages of comments
February 16th, 2012 3:48 AM
I'm not even reading into it, the writers said themselves that they are inspired by Shakespeare. And on top of that I clearly said that it was a show that was filled with hotties and scandal designed to entertain teens and mainstream viewers. I did not deny that that was what its for. I didn't even say they use Shakespeare well. I just said that they used his ideas. They are inspired by classic literature and film? Its always on twitter.
February 16th, 2012 3:41 AM
P.S. That sounded more hostile than I intended because I don't respond well to condescension. Sorry!
February 16th, 2012 3:33 AM
"there is a whole other dimension to this show that only advanced English students and academics can understand."
Please tell me you're kidding. That can be said of anything, because English majors are bullshit artists, trained to read into things that aren't necessarily there. It's an insult to Shakespeare to imply that GG's writing and direction are anywhere near the quality of the classics.
Gossip Girl is enjoyable for what it sets out to be: mindless entertainment in the form of pretty young things having a hard time deciding who to sleep with next. Most of us have noticed a decline in the show's ability to hold our attention, and it's unfair to insinuate that it's because we're stupid.
February 16th, 2012 1:46 AM
Chuck's Dad leaves him with high expectations, even after he has died.
Chuck's mother betrayed him and his father for his uncle.
Chuck's uncle is his worst enemy.
He can never rise to the role of hero because of his flaws and issues.
That sounds a lot like Hamlet to me.
He is made out to be a villain, but in actual fact he is an anti-hero because we as the audience want him to succeed but he never does. That is what Shakespeare does to his heroes
February 16th, 2012 1:39 AM
I'm not even sure why I'm even bothering to reason with someone who apparently doesn't even like this show.
You're not meant to watch Gossip Girl for good role models in women and to see people making the right choices. It's a controversial, dark and scandalous show that is meant to be entertaining with its out-of-this-world story lines. That's exactly what Chair represent, and sorry if that's too repetitive for you, but that's what Gossip Girl is. Maybe watch another show from now? OTH or Glee seem up your alley?
And the writers even said they base characters and story lines around Shakespeare. The tragic flaws in the characters are what keeps them from progressing. That's what the Shakespearean tragedy is all about. They've set it in the UES (with sex, hotties, money, high fashion and scandal) to gain mainstream and teen interest, but there is a whole other dimension to this show that only advanced English students and academics can understand.
February 16th, 2012 1:36 AM
@Christina and Leigh for no. 3: I think you mean "chicks over dicks" since they're both girls and this is about a guy.
February 15th, 2012 10:33 PM
i really like dair but sometimes it make nonsense for example in the scene of the kiss do you really think blair will tell dan " what will make you happy dan.." i do not buy that but the kiss part was the best part i dont know why i feel so in touch with dan right now and i know that all of you people that love some one and cant have it when you got the chance to kiss it it feels amazing thats what i felt in that kiss because i know u never saw that kiss coming the way it came
February 15th, 2012 10:29 PM
blair's a bitch.i wouldnt do that to my bf.and if i were married, i'd be loyal even if i dont love the guy.and she's unstable.a few days ago she was saying she loved chuck,and now look.before this season i loved her,she was smart and confident now she's pathetic and more inmature than ever.its amazing how writers can mess with a character to the point of make'em worthless.i used to watch the show because chair were awesome.but dair just dont fit.they're boring and pathetic,im sorry to dans fans but he's the worst kind of person,he makes people believe he's all good and moral but he does bad things behind people's back and acts like if he was the pope! he is not honest at all. at least everyone knows what to expect from chuck. But dan! it's not the first time he does something like this to mess up with people.remember blair's bday last season?i'm sorry this show had become this lame actually.i really liked it now i'm just disappointed.
February 15th, 2012 9:58 PM
At least in previous season's, though she had some relationship problems, her life did not revolve around it. She had other things going on (trying to get into Yale, scheming, running her clique, helping Serena etc...). Now it's like all she does is think about boys, her life revolves around the men in her life, she has nothing else. She just sits down and takes everything now. In short to me Blair has become a boring, whining, uninspired person, who doesn't bother to find a way out of things herself, but relies on the men in her life (currently Dan) to save her. I did love this character, but I think she has seriously regressed, and I don't recognise her anymore beside a few snarky comments. I don't know what character the writers are writing?
February 15th, 2012 9:50 PM
I think Blair just needs to be single, and learn how to be Blair again. She has just become a whiney damsel in distress, with no aspirations, who's biggest decision in life is to choose which man to be with??? What happened to Queen B!! Her character is sounding more and more like the old Serena from highschool!!
February 15th, 2012 9:45 PM
Poor Duck = (
Rank: Regular Character
February 15th, 2012 9:42 PM
AHAH chair fans are upset. I guess Dan really is competition now
TEAM DAIR ALWAYS AND FOREVER AND EVER AND MAY THEY LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER!
Rank: Guest Star
February 15th, 2012 9:14 PM
And while I'm done with Chair for now (I'm sorry, I think Chuck deserves better than someone who tells him in one episode that she "loves him more and more every day" and then two episodes later is kissing another guy IN HIS ROOM), I'm done with Derena for good. I don't think Dan can ever come back from how horribly he's treated Serena. So maybe Blair and Dan do belong together, since they both bring out the worst in each other. At least that'll keep them away from the characters I still like.
Rank: Guest Star
February 15th, 2012 9:07 PM
Wow, people really think this is an example of Blair being mature and true to character? Stabbing her best friend in the back by kissing the guy she loves in her own ex-boyfriend's bedroom? The old Blair was a loyal friend to Serena, and would never have hurt Chuck in such a selfish and awful way.
Blair used to be my favorite character, and after this... I honestly think she deserves to end up alone, at least this season. So I gotta disagree with Courtney, I don't see anything left to love about B. She's basically turned into Serena, flighty and stupid and torn between all the men in her life. If Chuck and Serena have any sense, they'll both tell her to go F herself.
February 15th, 2012 9:06 PM
Ugh Chuck has nothing shakespearian he's a just a cliché of a tamed bad boy who every young girl fall for at some point !
DAIR all the way
February 15th, 2012 8:10 PM
@Where's Waldorf She can't trust him because the plot says so, they need to keep up this repetitive drama. Blair is pathetic and weak, especially in the later seasons, especially the scene where Chuck tries to force himself on her in a drunken stupor and almost got a punch to the face or when she was traded for hotel to Chuck's enemy, Jack, like some piece of property.
February 15th, 2012 8:07 PM
@Where's Waldorf It's cliche, it's been done time and time again. Gossip Girl has nothing on Shakespeare, it's a poorly written teen drama that used to be fun/interesting and is now stale/repetitive just like the couple now. There's nothing complex about them, the writers just used them when they became popular in season 1 as the back/forth, on/off couple which involves ridiculous excuses for why they can't be together like the contrived pact to God/the Dowry and spew pathetically cheesy dialogue "I can't possibly love you anymore" *gag*. Blair is pathetic, she's constantly causing unnecessary drama and whines about Chuck. In fact this whole season's conflict could've been easily been avoided had it not been for her stupid contrived choices. Chuck either broods about Blair or stalks her when she's going somewhere. There's nothing complex about his soap opera family issues, especially since he doesn't fully develop, he's constantly regressing after 'changing'.