The Vampire Diaries Spoilers: Who Will Appear on the Season 3 Finale? Comments (Page 5)
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queenbee94 Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 12:47 PM
Unlike Bella, Elena clearly doesn't want to be a vampire and does see them as evil and inhumane creatures which they are. This conflicts with her love for Stefan who she should stay away from for her own safety, but she is in love with him from the start and oblivious to all the baggage he has. When she actually is in real danger it is already too late to go back. You say she is "obsessed with a male character for no reason at all" because she tries to find him. Now, I don't know about you but if my boyfriend, who loves me, basically trades his soul in order to save his brother's life and disappears, I would be worried sick and look for him anywhere to see if he's in danger and if there's any possible way of bringing him back - regardless if he's a vampire or not. Therefore she is not "obsessed" with Stefan, she is just in love with him and worried.
queenbee94 Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 12:47 PM
@Bored Now: So, judging from what you've written so far, you think Elena basically is Bella Swan, is dependant on Stefan which you believe to be unrealistic, and has not spent enough time (or any time at all) mourning the loss of her parents, her other parents and her aunt. Am I right?
Now, as most other people, I agree that Elena resembles Bella Swan, being in love with a vegetarian vampire (even being in love with two guys at once) and fighting other, evil vampires. This basically sums up Bella, who in my opinion is a very boring,desperate but most of all an unrealistic character.
The biggest difference between her and Elena is that Elena (precisely in S1) actually reflects the emotions any average human would have if confronted with such a situation: fear mixed with being intruiged by this supernatural world, maybe the need to feel special, as she is supposed to be the only one knowing the Salvatore's secret.
Season 3 is going to culminate in Elena's guilt over all that's been lost because of her. These people will do anything to keep each other alive, no matter the costs, and I've never doubted that Elena feels that. But when her and her friends are always in life and death situations, she doesn't exactly have time to lay in bed and cry for days when someone dies. She has to keep moving and fighting. Besides there was some scene in S2 with her and Stefan where she just completely breaks down because she realizes that it's not
Thats the problem. SHOW DOES NOT SHOW THAT.
Elena's stupid actions keep having no consequences. Deaths have no impact in this show.
Everything that happens to her keeps getting no reaction from her at all.
Thanks to that "rushed" scenes like that are NOT believable. Did anyone believe her 3 second breakdown of "I want normal life" in S2? NO. Why? BECAUSE WE DID NOT SEE HER WANTING NORMAL LIFE NOR HAVING ONE.
She's trying to please many people who all have different takes on the characters and storylines.
And with that she has already failed to be a writer. Thats not what a respectable talented writer does. One can make characters likeable, but one should not bend to every whim of fandom like Plec tries to do. it tears apart your work of fiction.
You claim Damon raped Caroline and Andie and you sound genuinely mad about it but yet you say you liked Damon in S1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your theory of Damon, that would make him a rapist throughout S1.
Because back then I expected there to be consequences once Caroline remembers and some sort of redemption arc for that. Never happened.
Also what can I say, I like Damon more as this badass vampire who enjoys being vampire and is multilayered character mixing both good and bad sides, instead of Edward Salvatore he is now.
2Blue4You
March 28th, 2012 12:02 PM
Stefan's and Damon's fault that her loved ones lives are in constant danger. She was torn apart when she learned that Klaus would have been after her, regardless, because of who she is.
Even when she has Stefan knock Damon out in 3x14 so she can talk to Esther, it wasn't the nicest thing ever done, but at the same time it was smart. They're originals...neither brother or Caroline is a match for them. And she knew, as most viewers should when it comes to Damon, he won't hesitate to challenge them or even fight them (as he did with Kol anyways) the instant he feels Elena is being threatened. So, although harsh, she acted in a way to protect Damon and the other by not getting them involved.
Lola
March 28th, 2012 12:01 PM
Bored NOW-get a life !! I am bored and tired of reading your comments here.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion …. Which characters they like and which not …
But you are just like a little B*tch barking back at their comments because it’s not something that you agree with !!!!
Why don’t you start your own show, create your own charters and your own story line and we’ll see how many viewer’s will like it ?
Oh wait …you can't you sore looser !!!!It’s easier to come here and b*itch about someone else’s work !!!!
another guest
March 28th, 2012 11:56 AM
@Bored Now
The way you watch an awful lot of tv and have opionions on so many characters and their development, I'm starting to think you have a background as a TV writer. In fact, I'm thinking you may have been up for a job as a writer on TVD, but lost out to Julie Plec. The way you trash her is really starting to sound like sour grapes. It's one thing to voice your opinion about the writing, but you're just down right nasty to/about her. That being said, though I don't think S3 is as good as S1 and S2, I don't think it's as horrendous as you make it out to be. I don't know Julie Plec or really anything about her, but I have to say, in my opinion, there's no need to be so vicious. She's trying to please many people who all have different takes on the characters and storylines. I think she's doing a pretty damn good job.
2Blue4You
March 28th, 2012 11:56 AM
@Bored Now
Reading your posts, you sound absurd. You claim Damon raped Caroline and Andie and you sound genuinely mad about it but yet you say you liked Damon in S1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your theory of Damon, that would make him a rapist throughout S1. Yet you prefer him then? And you don't like Damon now that he's stopped "raping" women and is trying to be a good guy?
Feeling guilty and stuff, I'm pretty sure that's the point of this spoiler. Season 3 is going to culminate in Elena's guilt over all that's been lost because of her. These people will do anything to keep each other alive, no matter the costs, and I've never doubted that Elena feels that. But when her and her friends are always in life and death situations, she doesn't exactly have time to lay in bed and cry for days when someone dies. She has to keep moving and fighting. Besides there was some scene in S2 with her and Stefan where she just completely breaks down because she realizes that it's not
Watch Veronica Mars, Buffy, Cordy from Angel, Emily from revenge ETC! Even Caroline Is more of heroine then Elena is and shes not even the lead.
THIS THIS THIS thousands of times. Even the currently on tv heroines like Emily from Revenge, (especially)Snow White, Red an Emma from Once Upon A Time, Olivia from Fringe, Bo from Lost Girl, Daenerys, Cersei, Sansa, Aria,etc from Game of Thrones.
Million times more developed and better lead heroines. With actual characters and independence from sexist roles or romance plots.
Elena Gilbert is one of the worst lead characters currently on tv.
Then again shows like OUAT, Fringe, REvenge have good quality writers and actual character development, while TVD has...Plec....who is known for her incompetence as writer.
Vampbarbie Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 10:58 AM
Elena should of been having nightmares of her parents death & not just one scene at her parents grave. Then in season 3 we don't see her mourn Jenna, John or Isobel. Not one mention of her aunt Jenna & not one ounce of guilt for her death. Can we at least hear Elena say maybe I could of done things differently! Can Elena feel some guilt toward her real father that sacrificed his life for her and regret for not getting to know a real dad. Not one mention of her mother being forced to kol herself by klaus! Understand that Elena's reactions to things isn't normal human behavior.
Elena is one of the best female heroines on TV! I highly disagree. Watch Veronica Mars, Buffy, Cordy from Angel, Emily from revenge ETC! Even Caroline Is more of heroine then Elena is and shes not even the lead.
Dancer Chic
March 28th, 2012 10:56 AM
One more thing:
Autumn you're completely right! I meant teen heroine on television. Not books or movies. Obviously there are far better heriones (Katniss, Clary, Tessa, Hermione etc). I just don't watch a lot of teen tv shows so that's why. I over exaggerated.
autumn
March 28th, 2012 10:36 AM
Elena is definitely not one of the best teen heroines out there. True, she's not a cardboard character just like bella but she doesn't have the most fleshed out personality. However, I don't think elena looking for stefan made her obsessed. He was under klaus against his will and she was trying to help. She would have done the same for a good friend not just him. I just wish they would give elena a little more oomph, make her more human with flaws instead of someone who seems perfect and everyone loves. Instead she falls flat which is quite disappointing given that I really like TVD
Dancer Chic
March 28th, 2012 10:33 AM
Okay that's enough. We disagree. I'd appreciate it if you would stop picking apart my posts. I just wanted to voice my opinion for once. I'm going to end this here. I have a life I have to go live.
@Jill, I agree completely...
He compelled Andie not to be afraid, not to sleep with him. I think it was the same with Caroline but I don't remember.
And you do know that rape is about taking away a decision, a choice. He could have drugged them for all I care, its all the same. They would NOT have slept after that and he made them to.
Jill
March 28th, 2012 10:26 AM
All I can do is laugh at Bored Now. For someone that complains about the show and says how bad it is BUT is always the first one to post any thing that has to do with TVD and not just 1 post but several posts and then claims they used to like this show. Is clearly someone with mental issues and I refuse to read the crap that they write. I used to get angry at this loser but all I can do now is feel sorry for them that they have no life.
Dancer Chic
March 28th, 2012 10:24 AM
@ Bored Now He compelled Andie not to be afraid, not to sleep with him. I think it was the same with Caroline but I don't remember. Anyway, I'm not going to argue this with you. I love Damon, you don't. Big whoop. But please just be more considerate to others' views in the future. No one likes to come on here and see their favorite characters trashed over and over.
She takes things into her own hands much unlike Bella.
Yet at the same time she has exactly same characterization as Bella Swan, making most of "matters she takes into her own hands" situations as even more points of why she is so despised in the fandom.
Character can only "take matters into his/her own hands" when he has a built up personality, character baseline. When he/she IS a character. Elena is not. The fact that everything she "takes into her own hands" turns out to be a disaster and yet there are no consequences and everyone still loves her, make her even more of mary sue.
OMG!Aunt jenna,i really miss her so much i cried like hell when she died,her death is one of the most touching in TVD history.Can't wait to see her again.
She's probably one of the best teen heroines on tv right now.
I shall go with "how about no". She is the embodiment of sexism and misogynist outlook towards women. She sees nothing beyond her love interests, has no life beyond her love interests and no plot lines beyond her love interests. She is passive and HEAVILY personality-less. I fear to think on into what the younger generation will grow up with someone lik "Elena Gilberts" and "bella swans" as role models.
Bella was literally cripped when Eddie left her - didn't even try to find him. Elena did everything to find Stefan.
how is that better? Both cases portray a female heroine being obsessed with male figure for no reason at all and having no life except being obsessed with male figure.
1) Damon is not a serial rapist. I don't understand where that is coming from. How could you not be in love with him?
Caroline. Andie. Two cases of repeated rape and abuse in less than a year. 1912 pretty much showed us that its his MO. I liked the character in S1. Since start of S2 I can't stand him.
Seriously @Bored Now get a freaking life...u just poster 6 big comments in an article about a show that you do not even like,you are pathetic!
Who said I do not LIKE the show? I used to love it when it was coherent. I still like certain characters, but I am not blind to the glaring flaws the show has and keeps having
Dancer Chic
March 28th, 2012 10:12 AM
I personally like Elena. She's probably one of the best teen heroines on tv right now. In no way is she cardboard or like Bella Swan. Bella was literally cripped when Eddie left her - didn't even try to find him. Elena did everything to find Stefan. She didn't just sit around and cry which people would have hated a whole lot more. She takes things into her own hands much unlike Bella.
And @Bored Now,
1) Damon is not a serial rapist. I don't understand where that is coming from. How could you not be in love with him? 2) they're all serial killers of sorts. Not just Stefan. 3) if you hate the show STOP WATCHING IT! Problem. Solved.
Okay,, Matt the editor in chief,get this bored now person out of my favourite website,,,,,
Why? Because someone has an entirely different opinion than you about the subject in question? Oh that nifty horrible freedom of speech.
Might have to readjust yourself a bit then as a LOT of people frequenting this website have that exact same opinion about Elena Gilbert. Some just "tolerate" her at best and majority just downright can't stand her. And we all can clearly provide arguments on why's. :)
Ruthie
March 28th, 2012 10:02 AM
Okay,, Matt the editor in chief,get this bored now person out of my favourite website,,,,,
Elena : I just want to kill her. It's that simple.
Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 12:47 PM
Unlike Bella, Elena clearly doesn't want to be a vampire and does see them as evil and inhumane creatures which they are. This conflicts with her love for Stefan who she should stay away from for her own safety, but she is in love with him from the start and oblivious to all the baggage he has. When she actually is in real danger it is already too late to go back. You say she is "obsessed with a male character for no reason at all" because she tries to find him. Now, I don't know about you but if my boyfriend, who loves me, basically trades his soul in order to save his brother's life and disappears, I would be worried sick and look for him anywhere to see if he's in danger and if there's any possible way of bringing him back - regardless if he's a vampire or not. Therefore she is not "obsessed" with Stefan, she is just in love with him and worried.
Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 12:47 PM
@Bored Now: So, judging from what you've written so far, you think Elena basically is Bella Swan, is dependant on Stefan which you believe to be unrealistic, and has not spent enough time (or any time at all) mourning the loss of her parents, her other parents and her aunt. Am I right?
Now, as most other people, I agree that Elena resembles Bella Swan, being in love with a vegetarian vampire (even being in love with two guys at once) and fighting other, evil vampires. This basically sums up Bella, who in my opinion is a very boring,desperate but most of all an unrealistic character.
The biggest difference between her and Elena is that Elena (precisely in S1) actually reflects the emotions any average human would have if confronted with such a situation: fear mixed with being intruiged by this supernatural world, maybe the need to feel special, as she is supposed to be the only one knowing the Salvatore's secret.
March 28th, 2012 12:22 PM
Season 3 is going to culminate in Elena's guilt over all that's been lost because of her. These people will do anything to keep each other alive, no matter the costs, and I've never doubted that Elena feels that. But when her and her friends are always in life and death situations, she doesn't exactly have time to lay in bed and cry for days when someone dies. She has to keep moving and fighting. Besides there was some scene in S2 with her and Stefan where she just completely breaks down because she realizes that it's not
Thats the problem. SHOW DOES NOT SHOW THAT.
Elena's stupid actions keep having no consequences. Deaths have no impact in this show.
Everything that happens to her keeps getting no reaction from her at all.
Thanks to that "rushed" scenes like that are NOT believable. Did anyone believe her 3 second breakdown of "I want normal life" in S2? NO. Why? BECAUSE WE DID NOT SEE HER WANTING NORMAL LIFE NOR HAVING ONE.
March 28th, 2012 12:20 PM
She's trying to please many people who all have different takes on the characters and storylines.
And with that she has already failed to be a writer. Thats not what a respectable talented writer does. One can make characters likeable, but one should not bend to every whim of fandom like Plec tries to do. it tears apart your work of fiction.
You claim Damon raped Caroline and Andie and you sound genuinely mad about it but yet you say you liked Damon in S1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your theory of Damon, that would make him a rapist throughout S1.
Because back then I expected there to be consequences once Caroline remembers and some sort of redemption arc for that. Never happened.
Also what can I say, I like Damon more as this badass vampire who enjoys being vampire and is multilayered character mixing both good and bad sides, instead of Edward Salvatore he is now.
March 28th, 2012 12:02 PM
Stefan's and Damon's fault that her loved ones lives are in constant danger. She was torn apart when she learned that Klaus would have been after her, regardless, because of who she is.
Even when she has Stefan knock Damon out in 3x14 so she can talk to Esther, it wasn't the nicest thing ever done, but at the same time it was smart. They're originals...neither brother or Caroline is a match for them. And she knew, as most viewers should when it comes to Damon, he won't hesitate to challenge them or even fight them (as he did with Kol anyways) the instant he feels Elena is being threatened. So, although harsh, she acted in a way to protect Damon and the other by not getting them involved.
March 28th, 2012 12:01 PM
Bored NOW-get a life !! I am bored and tired of reading your comments here.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion …. Which characters they like and which not …
But you are just like a little B*tch barking back at their comments because it’s not something that you agree with !!!!
Why don’t you start your own show, create your own charters and your own story line and we’ll see how many viewer’s will like it ?
Oh wait …you can't you sore looser !!!!It’s easier to come here and b*itch about someone else’s work !!!!
March 28th, 2012 11:56 AM
@Bored Now
The way you watch an awful lot of tv and have opionions on so many characters and their development, I'm starting to think you have a background as a TV writer. In fact, I'm thinking you may have been up for a job as a writer on TVD, but lost out to Julie Plec. The way you trash her is really starting to sound like sour grapes. It's one thing to voice your opinion about the writing, but you're just down right nasty to/about her. That being said, though I don't think S3 is as good as S1 and S2, I don't think it's as horrendous as you make it out to be. I don't know Julie Plec or really anything about her, but I have to say, in my opinion, there's no need to be so vicious. She's trying to please many people who all have different takes on the characters and storylines. I think she's doing a pretty damn good job.
March 28th, 2012 11:56 AM
@Bored Now
Reading your posts, you sound absurd. You claim Damon raped Caroline and Andie and you sound genuinely mad about it but yet you say you liked Damon in S1. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your theory of Damon, that would make him a rapist throughout S1. Yet you prefer him then? And you don't like Damon now that he's stopped "raping" women and is trying to be a good guy?
Feeling guilty and stuff, I'm pretty sure that's the point of this spoiler. Season 3 is going to culminate in Elena's guilt over all that's been lost because of her. These people will do anything to keep each other alive, no matter the costs, and I've never doubted that Elena feels that. But when her and her friends are always in life and death situations, she doesn't exactly have time to lay in bed and cry for days when someone dies. She has to keep moving and fighting. Besides there was some scene in S2 with her and Stefan where she just completely breaks down because she realizes that it's not
March 28th, 2012 11:10 AM
Watch Veronica Mars, Buffy, Cordy from Angel, Emily from revenge ETC! Even Caroline Is more of heroine then Elena is and shes not even the lead.
THIS THIS THIS thousands of times. Even the currently on tv heroines like Emily from Revenge, (especially)Snow White, Red an Emma from Once Upon A Time, Olivia from Fringe, Bo from Lost Girl, Daenerys, Cersei, Sansa, Aria,etc from Game of Thrones.
Million times more developed and better lead heroines. With actual characters and independence from sexist roles or romance plots.
Elena Gilbert is one of the worst lead characters currently on tv.
Then again shows like OUAT, Fringe, REvenge have good quality writers and actual character development, while TVD has...Plec....who is known for her incompetence as writer.
Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 10:58 AM
Elena should of been having nightmares of her parents death & not just one scene at her parents grave. Then in season 3 we don't see her mourn Jenna, John or Isobel. Not one mention of her aunt Jenna & not one ounce of guilt for her death. Can we at least hear Elena say maybe I could of done things differently! Can Elena feel some guilt toward her real father that sacrificed his life for her and regret for not getting to know a real dad. Not one mention of her mother being forced to kol herself by klaus! Understand that Elena's reactions to things isn't normal human behavior.
Elena is one of the best female heroines on TV! I highly disagree. Watch Veronica Mars, Buffy, Cordy from Angel, Emily from revenge ETC! Even Caroline Is more of heroine then Elena is and shes not even the lead.
March 28th, 2012 10:56 AM
One more thing:
Autumn you're completely right! I meant teen heroine on television. Not books or movies. Obviously there are far better heriones (Katniss, Clary, Tessa, Hermione etc). I just don't watch a lot of teen tv shows so that's why. I over exaggerated.
March 28th, 2012 10:36 AM
Elena is definitely not one of the best teen heroines out there. True, she's not a cardboard character just like bella but she doesn't have the most fleshed out personality. However, I don't think elena looking for stefan made her obsessed. He was under klaus against his will and she was trying to help. She would have done the same for a good friend not just him. I just wish they would give elena a little more oomph, make her more human with flaws instead of someone who seems perfect and everyone loves. Instead she falls flat which is quite disappointing given that I really like TVD
March 28th, 2012 10:33 AM
Okay that's enough. We disagree. I'd appreciate it if you would stop picking apart my posts. I just wanted to voice my opinion for once. I'm going to end this here. I have a life I have to go live.
@Jill, I agree completely...
March 28th, 2012 10:28 AM
He compelled Andie not to be afraid, not to sleep with him. I think it was the same with Caroline but I don't remember.
And you do know that rape is about taking away a decision, a choice. He could have drugged them for all I care, its all the same. They would NOT have slept after that and he made them to.
March 28th, 2012 10:26 AM
All I can do is laugh at Bored Now. For someone that complains about the show and says how bad it is BUT is always the first one to post any thing that has to do with TVD and not just 1 post but several posts and then claims they used to like this show. Is clearly someone with mental issues and I refuse to read the crap that they write. I used to get angry at this loser but all I can do now is feel sorry for them that they have no life.
March 28th, 2012 10:24 AM
@ Bored Now He compelled Andie not to be afraid, not to sleep with him. I think it was the same with Caroline but I don't remember. Anyway, I'm not going to argue this with you. I love Damon, you don't. Big whoop. But please just be more considerate to others' views in the future. No one likes to come on here and see their favorite characters trashed over and over.
March 28th, 2012 10:21 AM
She takes things into her own hands much unlike Bella.
Yet at the same time she has exactly same characterization as Bella Swan, making most of "matters she takes into her own hands" situations as even more points of why she is so despised in the fandom.
Character can only "take matters into his/her own hands" when he has a built up personality, character baseline. When he/she IS a character. Elena is not. The fact that everything she "takes into her own hands" turns out to be a disaster and yet there are no consequences and everyone still loves her, make her even more of mary sue.
Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 10:20 AM
OMG!Aunt jenna,i really miss her so much i cried like hell when she died,her death is one of the most touching in TVD history.Can't wait to see her again.
Rank: Regular Character
March 28th, 2012 10:19 AM
I liked Sara Canning on the show and I am glad we will see her again even in flashbacks.
March 28th, 2012 10:18 AM
She's probably one of the best teen heroines on tv right now.
I shall go with "how about no". She is the embodiment of sexism and misogynist outlook towards women. She sees nothing beyond her love interests, has no life beyond her love interests and no plot lines beyond her love interests. She is passive and HEAVILY personality-less. I fear to think on into what the younger generation will grow up with someone lik "Elena Gilberts" and "bella swans" as role models.
Bella was literally cripped when Eddie left her - didn't even try to find him. Elena did everything to find Stefan.
how is that better? Both cases portray a female heroine being obsessed with male figure for no reason at all and having no life except being obsessed with male figure.
March 28th, 2012 10:16 AM
1) Damon is not a serial rapist. I don't understand where that is coming from. How could you not be in love with him?
Caroline. Andie. Two cases of repeated rape and abuse in less than a year. 1912 pretty much showed us that its his MO. I liked the character in S1. Since start of S2 I can't stand him.
March 28th, 2012 10:13 AM
Seriously @Bored Now get a freaking life...u just poster 6 big comments in an article about a show that you do not even like,you are pathetic!
Who said I do not LIKE the show? I used to love it when it was coherent. I still like certain characters, but I am not blind to the glaring flaws the show has and keeps having
March 28th, 2012 10:12 AM
I personally like Elena. She's probably one of the best teen heroines on tv right now. In no way is she cardboard or like Bella Swan. Bella was literally cripped when Eddie left her - didn't even try to find him. Elena did everything to find Stefan. She didn't just sit around and cry which people would have hated a whole lot more. She takes things into her own hands much unlike Bella.
And @Bored Now,
1) Damon is not a serial rapist. I don't understand where that is coming from. How could you not be in love with him? 2) they're all serial killers of sorts. Not just Stefan. 3) if you hate the show STOP WATCHING IT! Problem. Solved.
March 28th, 2012 10:12 AM
Okay,, Matt the editor in chief,get this bored now person out of my favourite website,,,,,
Why? Because someone has an entirely different opinion than you about the subject in question? Oh that nifty horrible freedom of speech.
Might have to readjust yourself a bit then as a LOT of people frequenting this website have that exact same opinion about Elena Gilbert. Some just "tolerate" her at best and majority just downright can't stand her. And we all can clearly provide arguments on why's. :)
March 28th, 2012 10:02 AM
Okay,, Matt the editor in chief,get this bored now person out of my favourite website,,,,,