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I always saw Tony as pulling his own weight in NCIS. It is funny that the guys who say they like Tony think he is not doing much.
Janet, I really don't care if you're named Ziva fan of the year. I don't have a problem with others feeling differently about the pairing or the fictional character. I just don't like the character Ziva. It's like they plopped a cartoon super hero/teenage angst soap opera star into a show with formerly clever, multi layered, created to appeal to adults, realistic characters, and then took those characters and screwed them up in order to have the show revolve around super girl. I really feel that the show's quality has suffered greatly for this. Obviously JMO.
@nat hi nat hows it going with you did you notice the top 2 haters cant stand it when tiva fans praise the pair.
Well Nat - I have to take exception to your assertion that it's some extremist minority of Tibbs shippers who don't want tiva. I don't want to see either of those pairings. I dislike tiva, because I can't stand the way Ziva behaves and treats Tony. Period. I've never liked smug, boastful, arrogant, cruel, adults with violent tendencies, or people who feel entitled to do whatever they please without considering others, and Ziva is all of these IMO. Tony is hardly perfect, but he doesn't deserve that.
Lol @ EXTREMERS who come on here deliberately overlooking the childish, inappropriate behavior of one character just because they happen to LIKE them while trying - in vain - to vilify another they choose to target for the sake of a pointless argument they will NEVER win. LAUREN: Janet is 100% right (Hi Janet) - there's a tiny, minute handful who worship the idea of Tony being in a "relationship" w/ Gibbs so they hate Ziva b/c she's a threat to a pathetic "ship" that has Z-E-R-O chance of EVER leaving port!!! And yes, it IS as stupid as it sounds. Interesting Note: Hating & "Anal Retentive
Talk" are bed buddies in Tibbs Land. Thank GOODNESS NCIS has Tiva!!!
I don't understand why there are complaints about Ziva scoring on Tony, he certainly scores on her a lot in turn. They both actually invite it, Tony frequently makes buffoonish statements or starts zinging Ziva first -- and 10-language Ziva rarely does the mistaken cliche when Tony is not around. And it's funny.
I really got a kick out of how they ALL mercilessly ribbed Palmer about the upcoming bachelor party: that was over the top, even Ducky got in on it by saying Abby borrowed the autopsy rotary saw for it.
I am looking forward to season 10 to see the new crime drama solving. I do not want see jlC back she added nothing to the team. I love Gibbs, Vance,Mcgee, Tony, Ziva and Abby, ducky an palmer they all bring something to the team and something different thar make it work as a family
do you fact or proof or are you talking out your ass like Janet does every single time someone prove her wrong
@lauren hi lauren dont worry out of all the fans on this site there are about 3 maybe 4 haters and we all know who they are and yes i know everyone has there own opinions and thats alright but they just go on and on spewing hate for tiva and the rest of the cast but for every hate comment there are 10 good comments so we should all learn to ignore the haters.
you say the ncis fanbase hates tiva, hates this, hates that and you call yourself a proper ncis fan, but in evey comment i have read you have said NOTHING positive about the show.. i dont know how you can call yourself a fan of a show you hate??
its called friendly teasing ziva loves tony and tony loves ziva and in the end they will get together no matter what the tiva haters say.
A lot of people have said why the whole Tiva thing is bad and that how I feel but the thing that really bother me about it is if the shoe was on the other foot and Tony was doing these to Ziva calling her coward calling her worthless to the human race and all that stuff then the woman would be screaming that NCIS is sexist and all these bullshit but then a woman does it to a man its funny.
Aycliffie - al lot of Tony fans are upset about his portrayal of the last few years, but many just don't go online and complain as much as the younger set of fans who love the superior Ziva/whipped Tony dynamic. They are all over the internet and call anyone who doesn't worship at the alter of poor victim super Ziva and tiva, "haters." Despite what others say, Tony used to be written as yes - a funny guy since MW can pull it off, but his character was also an extremely gifted investigator who could and did handle danger. Now only super Ziva and super Gibbs are allowed to show empathy or be put in the position of danger or allowed to be portrayed as selflessly heroic. Show's all about them now really. Tony is just along to be the butt of the joke and be inferior by comparison. IMO it's sad, boring, and predictable.
Sorry guys, I like the idea of JLC and Gibbs. I love the realationships that Gibbs has with Ziva and Abby - they are his daughters and I love the moments when we see how he adores them. As for Tony and Ziva, I love the banter and the idea of the two of them together! The interactions of McGee and Tony are also fun. I too love Ducky and was soooo upset at the thought of losing him. I agree with Shell, this is a fun show for a reason, why not let it be that, it has action, it has characters with awsome chemistry and relationships and I could not imagine losing any of them, they are the reason that I watch the show, I hope that they remain so!!
Aycliffe, if you've been actually watching NCIS for awhile, then we assume you automatically know that the overall KING of Snark on the show is none other than DiNozzo himself :-). If he can DISH it out so freely to the team, he SHOULD be able to take it - whether it be from Gibbs, Tim, OR Ziva. Perhaps you should be questioning why the writers like to play "musical chairs" w/ Tony's character, making him Mature Tony one moment, only to revert back to Immature, Aging Playboy Tony the next. He's lucky Ziva even likes him enough to put UP with his juvenile behavior. Most women wouldn't have time for that crap. Don't worry about Ryan - she is pretty much gone because the fans generally couldn't stand her. She's basically another Gibbs in a skirt.
Thank you AJA,I wonder why more fans of the show are not shouting out about the changes, or do the majority fans of the show just don't care what is happening to the characters, we are heading in to season 10 and all the characters should have there personalities sorted, no need for change, but this is not true, the writers don't care, has long as they get good ratings they well change the show so they can keep the show the most watched on TV, its a shame really I can see this show going down hill really fast, and by the time the writers react it will be to late.
Aycliffe - The diminishing of all things Tony started in season 5 after MH gave his ultimatum and DPB exited as show runner and Shane Brennan and others took over. Superior wonder victim Ziva, push over daddy Gibbs, snotty McGee, limited Ducky and Abby, and weak link Tony were SB's contributions to the show. It was marginally better this season, but it seems to me that, especially some of the new writers, just plug into the all knowing Gibbs, Ziva, and McGee/clueless Tony format. I'm really disappointed that the show continues to undervalue this formerly wonderfully layered character and IMO show's most interesting, versatile, not to mention handsome, actor, while constantly promoting Gibbs and Ziva as the shows only agents capable of handling danger, action, and drama.
Thank you AJA for your opinion, it cant be just down to the new writers, I mean wasn't Tony a top police detective back in Baltimore Police Department, and that's why Gibbs wanted him to join NCIS so why has Tony's character become such clown or better still useless at doing his job, you can see Ziva and McGee have overtaken him when it comes to solving cases, its a shame because he was such a strong Senior Ncis detective in the early seasons and now he seems so lost.
Aycliffe - good question. I think that some of the newer writers think snarky smug superior Ziva (like the writing from season 6 on) belittling a clueless Tony passes as the show's humor moment, and sometimes I think that the writers are instructed to include a more overt (awkward and random) tiva moment. I'm with michael. I'd rather have snarky know it all Dr Ryan than snarky know it all victim Ziva. I wish if we have to have them both, that the writers would tone them down and give someone besides them and Gibbs the spotlight. They have mega talents like Michael Weatherly and unusual, interesting characters like Ducky and Abby who they could give some dramatic writing and focus on too, instead of always giving the big stories to the same characters.
Michael what do you think the writers are up to? I can really understand what you are saying, but the writers I don't get where they are coming from, one minute they give us a bit of Tiva, the the next minute we have Ziva back to her old self be snide insulting and down right nasty towards Tony, then we see signs that Ziva really cares about Tony,what do you think the writers game plan is. If anybody else can give me there opinion as well
I would much rather have JLC she has not done half of the horrible things Ziva has done
Lets be honest Michael who would you rather have Ziva or JLC?, I know what you mean but out of the 2 I think I would have Ziva, Oh and Crystle Please Gibbs and Ziva nooooooooooooooooo that would be just be soooooooo wrong yuk.
I found it funny how everyone bitching about JLC and tell us to deal with it but when someone say something about Ziva where told to leave her alone you can't have it both way people
First of all...whats with all the haten on the characters?!...they are who they are! Leave em be! The show has everything....the fratty hotty who always thinks hes right n swell (duh-tony), the smart guy who always plays by the rules (mcghee!!), the sexy gal who always wants to do her best even at the cost of her own happiness(ziva), that peppy person that sometimes you dont know whether to laugh or strangle them (sorry abs),n ...well gibbs is just gibbs and the show would never be the same without him or ducky.....ducky is in a field way of his own.
I dont see why ziva n tony couldnt be together..been waitn for it for years! This might be before some of your time, but a show called "Scarecrow n Mrs. King" was a cia kinda show, n the couple FINALLY got together after years of banter n secretly got married! So anything is possible! Let it be n let it play out ......quit complaing n watch it or just go away n quit ruining it for everyone else!!
Aycliffe, I couldn't agree more about JLC - she is very smug. I didn't like it that when she was around, Gibbs seemed to be unable to trust his famous gut. He was waiting around for her to come up with something, since she was the supposed "brain gamer". The problem was, I don't believe she was ever right in anything she said. NCIS is a team show, and she wants to suck all the attention up for herself. Her character needs to stay away . . . far away!
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