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Yes, and when there is no real justification for a rude response, rather than addressing it, you just turn it around and say - "well they do it too," when in fact, I don't. I and many Gibbs and Tony fans are perfectly willing to concede that our favorites are not perfect, and I also accept that some fans don't care for them and have views contrary to my own. I have read hundreds of comments by Ziva/tiva fans, that to be of the ilk that responds to views that don't jibe with their own with insults, rude intrusive advise, and name calling. However I don't mean to imply that this applies to all Ziva/tiva fans.
Probably for the same reason some people do that when it's Gibbs or Tony's turn in the bucket.
Well this is after all an NCIS discussion forum and diane asked a question. I often wonder why, when an answer based on the canon of the show is put forth that sheds a less than glowing light on Ziva, some fans who are, I guess unable to refute the facts, hurl insulting comments instead.
Does anyone remember this is fiction?!
To diane - On many forums, their are fans who claim that their friends or loved ones in the service find the Ziva story and/or character ridiculous and/or offensive. The premise that a foreign operative, answering to a foreign intelligence agency, would join as a full partner in an American team with its access to sensitive information is the first unreality of Ziva. Then in season 6, after she withheld information about a foreign agent (Rivkin) who killed, among others, an American ICE agent, re joined Mossad as their operative, screwed up her mission, got mad at her daddy, and so came back to the US, was allowed back on the team (after her betrayal), fast tracked to American citizenship, and ultimately made a full fledged American intelligence operative is, let's face it, beyond ridiculous. And IMO a bit of a slap in the face of people who go through the difficult and lengthly process to acquire citizenship.
Why would those in the Navy hate Ziva ? Seems kind of silly What am I missing ?
Michael, Michael, Michael -- the ratings show no such thing. All they show is that if a good story is being told, they will watch. "A Desperate Man", a good episode with some Tiva moments was one of the most watched episodes this season, with slightly over 20 million viewers. Frankly, one third of the people who watch this show don't care whether or not they get together. Another third do want to see them get together, another third don't want to see them get together. That's pretty much the way the numbers have broken down over the past few years, and I don't see them changing very much anytime soon.
@Janet: I know :-) He/she has issues. Probably lonely. The saddest part is, he/she claims to be a fan of the show, but somehow ALWAYS gets even the simplest trivia from the show WRONG. How can you be a fan & not know some of the basic facts about the show??? And I agree w/ Lisa. Agents get involved & they even get married. But that's not the issue here. I've had loved ones who served in the Armed Forces/Navy as well, and I'm sure military personnel who watch NCIS either "love" Tony or Gibbs or Ziva, etc. or "hate" them. I don't think it has anything to do w/ "just" Ziva or "just" Tony. It has to do with a few hate-infused bloggers who WANT others to think that "many" people hate the same character they love to lambbaste. Sorry, No Dice.
Michael is a prat. End of.
he's just trying to wind everyone up don't listen to him.
Probably still lives in his mother's basement. Most likely gay.
What's the big deal if two characters become involved in a relationship? After 9 seasons, I think it could be very refreshing. I come from a navy family and we of course have many friends in all branches of the service. Those that watch the show love all the characters, so I am not sure where the data is to support the theory that Navy personnel hate Ziva. I am sure that some do, since none of us know every person in the navy. People need to step out of their little circles of friends and realize the viewing audience is much larger then those who blog on forums like this. In my opinion, I find it unusual that the agents are not in steady relationships or married with families, given their ages, etc...Gibbs of course gets a pass here, given his back story and I suppose DiNozzo's commitment issues warrants him a pass as well. That being said, I think the characters will become stale if they remain in the statis-quo much longer.
LOL you Shipper crack me up your worse then those Ignorant american who tell people to love american or leave it here the thing I AM A FAN OF THE SHOW that why me and over half of the fanbase do not want it to happen and the rating have shown that
@nat you know nat i think michael is a female because no male could hate ziva as much as michael does.maybe michael is jealous of ziva.
*S I G H* "Michael"...you really need to go back & rewatch NBK. Not as a fan b/c you clearly are not an NCIS fan...but rather as a viewer. Gibbs "TOLD" Tony to MAN UP, meaning don't end up like GIBBS, in the fact that he never gave himself CLOSURE on certain key areas of his life. Gibbs wanted to FACE Wendy and DEAL w/ that part of his past, rather than hiding out in basements, drinking "hooch". Tony needed to find OUT if anything was still there regarding Wendy. He did. There wasn't. The only mistake CBS could make at this point is not concluding the story of NCIS the way it was intended.
lol SAM you seem to be enjoying yourself, chatting with Mike! It's kind of funny that he seems to have convinced himself that people "hate" ANY NCIS character - yet Gibbs & Tiva get more attention from the public than ANY of the other characters. There has NEVER been ANY viewer I've heard that has "stopped watching" b/c of any of the best-known cast members. But if they DO hate NCIS because of any of them....then they SHOULD stop watching and leave the rest of us ALONE. Perhaps YOU should follow that same advice, Michael. You blast Ziva sooooo doggone much, yet her name rests on your e-tongue continually.
You'll pardon me if I take your remark about people who serve in the Navy having quit watching NCIS because of Ziva with a grain or two of salt. At best, what you have put forward there is what is known as "anecdotal information", which is interesting, perhaps entertaining, but in the end, not something that has much weight to it, as it is second or third hand information at best.
Now for some real information: there were at least four episodes this season that scored 20 million or more viewers this season when viewed in the traditional one hour slot on network TV this season. One of those four was "A Desperate Man", an episode that was not only Ziva centric, but with a few Tiva moments as well. The episode the week before that one, "Housekeeping", had its share of Tiva moments and scored a 19.8 rating.
Those are ratings that any series would love to have.
The whole Ziva/Tony thing has NOTHING to do with them getting those number in fact NCIS has not been getting 20 million an episode more like 18 the only time they get 20 million is when the season start go on break comes back and then ends.
And if you ever talk to any of the former NCIS fans or people in the Navy they will tell you the number one reason they stop watching is because of Ziva.
I won't. Why should I? Doing it the way they have been doing it has resulted in them being the #1 scripted show on TV and ratings close to averaging 20 million an episode. If they are doing something wrong, then I suspect more shows will want to mess up in a fashion exactly like that.
Fine but when when NCIS become like Bones and CSI don't come crying to me
To finish saying what I was saying -- saying the same old thing and using the same old arguments that have pretty much been refuted and proved not true after all of this time. But hey, people still say Washington chopped down a cherry tree when he was a kid. Such is life.
First Michael, old chum, if only us Tiva fans didn't like her, she would be back for even more episodes than what she was in this season. It wasn't just us Tiva fans who didn't like her -- although I must say that some were okay with her -- there were antis who didn't like her either. I would say that about as many people didn't like her as didn't like EJ or MA Hart. Large numbers of people didn't like either one of those characters. I don't believe Ryan was quite in their league, but she was close.
Second on the list -- you do know that Cote's "Q" rating is second only to Pauley's? The character you play isn't quite that unpopular if you have a super high "Q" rating. And that's why Cote or the character that she plays isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Final note: the only places where I have seen any negative comments about Cote or Ziva are here on sites like this on the Internet. And it usually is the same, small group of people saying the same old thing and using
Nat right look what it has done to Bones Oh wait nevermind their going off the air because of what they did to their main characters. People keep bringing up rule 51 you know that goes both ways right Plus Gibbs TOLD tony not to end up like him and date a coworker plus there also the fact that Tony will lose what little respect gibbs has left for him.
The People who watch NCIS who do not get on the internet to talk about it they will tell you HOW much they all HATE! Tiva and how Ziva need to be killed off and that she has over stay her welcome.CBS know what the fans want and if they will smart after what they did to CM in season 6 they wont make the same mistake with NCIS in season 10.
@Janet: no worries, Hun. Don't let naysayers get on your nerves so much!! Everyone speaks out. It can be easily concluded that some who constantly comment on Every.Single.Blurb TVF publishes re: NCIS are not ALL NCIS fans. Some are just people who obviously have nothing better to do w/ their Tues. nights than tune in just to pick apart characters they clearly hate. SAD. As for Tiva, I stand by the position that we'll get to see them explore their feelings a lot sooner than "the last ep". Rule #51 and EJ both cleared the way past "Rule #12", so we're beyond that now. NCIS won't be on the air much longer, so CBS won't make the same disastrous mistake it made w/ JAG. Lesson Learned: you do NOT wait until the very last ep to bring a hot couple together & cheat the viewers after almost TEN years of playing w/ your audience - that is NOT closure; that is a waste. Fans want the chance to see them work at their relationship a bit, and it seems CBS agrees.
Here the thing sam the only people who hated her were Tiva fan they think Gibbs should die alone but us NCIS fans would much rather have Gibbs with her then anybody young
Not many people were happy with the character of Samantha Ryan, so I'm not sure that putting her together with Gibbs would be "giving the people what they want". And as for Ducky coming out and dating Palmer -- uh, Palmer's married and Ducky has been shown to be partial to the ladies. Perhaps we'll hear details about Ned's dating life. Or maybe not.
Why not put Gibbs and Dr. Ryan together I mean if anybody should be put together it should be Two fan favroite or what about Ducky coming out gay and dating plamer that would be cool. Gotta give the people what they want
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