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Tony and Ziva all they way!
This Aja character. Is a hoot who do you think you are a producer or do
you work for tmz what gives this is a forum. For posting. Comments
I don't want to see Tony and Ziva getting together. It's been the kiss of death for many series. If they do get together, I'm finished with the series.
OMG i loved the season finale. I am so excited for whats to come for Tiva. I really hope that the elevator scene will bring them closer together as ever.
i hope they show the season final of last season,b4 they start the new season,,lookin 4ward 2 the new season,i hope they can come up with enough ideas 2keep the show goin 4 awhile,i just love this show,my #1 show,even the 1s that r rewinded,,go!!NCIS!!;)..
They hook Sara And Grisome up and then the show went to hell
What happened on CSI, Michael? Just curious!
Im sorry but after what the shipper have done to CSI can you really blame people for not liking it
Michael, the whole damn point of the show is that ALL of these people have problems and are not perfect and are heavily flawed. In spite of that, they rise above it all, pull together, and solve cases. They function together as a team. ALL of them. Try to understand that, if not now, then sometime down the road, okay?
Whoever said that does not support Toni ziva? She can not live without Toni from Janeth has shown over here ... and Toni did not return with Wendy he loves Ziva
NO Tiva please. They maybe great as co-workers and friends but they are too different personality-wise. Sexual attraction...is it even there...it takes more than sexual attraction to keep a relationship alive. I would like to see them sort out their feelings on past actions such as Michael Rivkin and Somalia, not admit to any underlying love for one another. I prefer the naval crime stories to soap -opera. NCIS is on top of the ratings because of these stories, the characters and their personalities, not because they are like every other show that starts up love-ins between the characters. I feel too much soap will kill this show off.
Okay let see
Ziva blame Mcgee for killing the cop even though she did not have anything to back it up with she blame The kid dad for getting himself kidnap even though she was not looking at the full picture.
So why Kate was not perfect either is Ziva
kate was only on for 2 seasons and she did her share of putting tony down.she chose to leave and ziva was born now she is going into her 8th season so she is doing something right.
Michael, more than a few people have pointed out in various forums that as a profiler, Kate was pretty lousy. She failed to take out Ari when she had a chance to do so because he had "kind eyes". Gibbs was rightly sceptical, telling her that "eyes can lie." That kind of thinking played a part, albeit a very,very small one, in her death.
Your comments on Ziva are par for the course coming from you, and as such, really aren't worth commenting on at all. They speak more about you than they do about her.
But they are also two different type of Woman Kate was a profiler and a part of the team and work with them and respected them
Ziva was like a spoil rotten rich girl who though that oh I am a woman and always right and your a man and always wrong
Actually Michael, I never really disliked Kate. Had no problem with her, and had she stayed I probably would have continued to have no problem with her, or at least no more than what I might sometimes have with any of them. I think that Ziva is a better, deeper, richer character than Kate, but it's possible that she would have developed more layers had Sasha stayed.
You are right, there are those who like certain characters and who don't like others.
Just like there are people who don't like kate there are people who don't like Ziva
Wow.....all this talk about Ziva being a Mary Sue, which I don't see of course! I have to agree with SAM, TPTB do have the upper hand and they clearly see that Ziva brings something to the show as well as with the other characters. She's here to stay, whether you like it or not. Also, there's nothing one-dimensional about Ziva, not in the least bit.
@AJA And that's how you view the character and you have every right to hold and express that opinion. But it is clear that the show doesn't hold the same opinion of the character that you do and would disagree with your assessment of the affect that she has had on the show and the rest of the cast of characters. Indeed, they would argue the exact opposite. And as they have the whip hand here -- they are in charge of the show and the writing -- their views and opinions will prevail.
Your opinion of the character just backs up the opinion of the professor I mentioned the other day, Ann C. Crispin, who said that the "Mary Sue" term is used these days to simply put down characters that the people who use the term don't like, no matter whether the character is written well or not.
My understanding is that in 1991 Gibbs went to war, his family was killed while he was away, he came back from the war and hunted down the murderer and went into a tailspin that lasted til Mike Franks coaxed him out of it. That doesn't seem all that implausible. As far as Ziva's Mary Sueness - You're right that it's a popular character type. I look at Ziva as sort of a cross between a comic book super hero and a soap opera tragedy queen. Neither of those types of characters appeals to me personally, but I understand that some viewers love these types. Add to this Ziva's nasty smug snark and the diminishment of Tony in order to accommodate super Ziva and my dislike increases. I resent how cheesy, unintelligent at times, and unimaginative the show has become in order to promote, above other deeper, more original and interesting characters, this rather over exposed, one dimensional character.
AJA i would love to have a serious discussion if you would stop all the hate for one person which you write in each comment you make.
The final sentence should read "It doesn't affect them one way or the other."
@AJA So if a certain portion of the audience is attracted to "Mary Sues" and "Marty Stues" and the like, and the show continues to have the high ratings that it enjoys, and Cote's Q Rating is only a little bit behind that of Pauley's, your point is what? You may think Ziva is a "Mary Sue" and hate the character for that reason. It would appear that you are very much in the minority, both for thinking she is a "Mary Sue" and for thinking that it makes much of a difference in the scheme of things.
The writers enjoy writing for the character. People enjoy watching the character. The producers and network executives have no problem with the character and like the job Cote has done in playing the character. I disagree with you that she is a "Mary Sue", anymore than Gibbs is a "Marty Stu". But even if she were, so what? For the overwhelming majority of the people who watch the show, it makes no difference in their enjoyment in watching it. They simply don't care. It doesn't af
@AJA Actually, a number of us who like the character of Ziva thought that was a crazy thing to do, making her birthdate that of 1982. They might as well of just given her Cote's birthdate of 1979. And yep, that crams a wad of stuff into a short amount of time. Just like so many important events of Gibbs' life were crammed into the year 1991. Now, that year seemed like a long one to me at the time it took place, but that said, there realistically is no way that everything that was supposed to have happened to Gibbs that year could have happened. But then I stop and remember that it's a fictional TV show, and then I realize that fact speaks for itself.
Janet - no not really, but again, your posts seem limited to making personal comments about posters rather than the show itself. You seem to personalize whatever is said about these fictional characters and respond by complimenting or insulting the poster more than their posts. What about a civilized discussion forum designed to discuss various aspects about NCIS don't you understand?
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