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@nat you are so right i have a feeling its the begining of the end.
@Michael - No...you're dead wrong - yet AGAIN. "Love" had NOTHING to do w/ "why" JAG ended. Timing & Longevity did. 10 years on average is long enough for a series, and CBS decided NOT to renew it for an 11th season. "Love" was the MAIN catalyst that actually drove the Canon for that show. The same situation will NOT Repeat itself w/ NCIS because TPTB for the latter show will be informed WELL in advance of the Grand Finale before CBS pulls the plug on its most watched series. Furthermore, NCIS will NOT have to wait until the last minute to find out the fate of the characters. S10 is the preparation of the Beginning of the End of NCIS.
These is the same reason JAG was taken off the air because of these love BS between the main characters and I do not want to see it happen to NCIS
That last part should read "and her feelings towards Tony, and it appears that the show does too. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one."
@AJA I think the show means for the banter between them to be similar to that which took place between Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn in many of their movies. And in a couple of those movies they really go at one another, especially in "Adam's Rib".
You think Ziva's been mean to Tony? He's been just as bad to her, especially with some of the remarks he made to her when she was studying for her citizenship exam. No matter if he was joking or not, it was hurtful. He certainly did not come across as supportive. So, at least on the surface, they're even.
Nevertheless, he's saved her life and she's saved his. She wanted him back when he was an Agent Afloat and he wanted her back from Israel even after all of the things she said and did to him in "Aliyah"; she asked for his forgiveness in "Reunion" and got it.
He supported her in "Shalom" and she stood by him in "Judgment Day". I sorry AJA, but I completely disagree with you about her character and her feelings to
@ Sam, IMO, yes, they have all, at one time or another, tried to get the upper hand with ridicule, but no one who is being touted as a "romantic interest" has been even half as insulting, disloyal, and unsupportive as Ziva has of Tony. You can say well so and so does it too, but none of the others are being promoted as a love interest. But sadly, your side of the tiva issue will likely win. Not because it should (as many of us consider her abusive behavior not only offensive, but an extremely bad example), but because it attracts a demographic who apparently is still young and naive enough to think that this is actually the way cool people who love each other behave.
@sam good one
@AJA She apologized. I'm sorry if that wasn't good enough for you, but it was for Tony. And in the end, since he was the one wronged, if it was good enough for him, that's all that matters.
You see Ziva the way that you do, and that's all well and good. Others see her in quite the opposite way, and that would appear to include the writers and other PTB on the show. As they are in charge, their POV will be the dominant one.
The thing is, though, that there are numerous examples of Tony being, at least on the surface, "insulting, demeaning" and "unsupportive" of Ziva and of others. Likewise Kate. Likewise McGee. Likewise Gibbs. Hell, you could say the same thing about either Jenny or Vance. And yet, in the end, when the going gets tough, all of them would do anything for any member of the team, including give up their lives to insure the safety of the others. Kate did indeed do just that, and so did Jenny, more or less.
Okay Tony and Ziva care very deeply for each other and they show it time and time again when Tony and McGee save Ziva from Africa and how concered Tony was when Rivkin was around how shes always thinking about him and he thinks of her. The episode Recoil, the episode when they think Tony died in his car when it exploded and episodes like that. I think in the season opener they will finally stop beating around the bush and tell each other how much they really care....they will be in the elevator and not know if they are going to get out possably injured and everything will fall into place
In Boxed In, how could Ziva not apologize? They were locked in a box and she had purposefully done something really mean spirited and hurtful. To say oh well, sorry (I didn't care about you or your feelings) seems a minimal requirement, not a sign of undying love or an extraordinary measure. Her concern in Angel of Death could be seen as worry OR possessiveness. There are numerous other examples of Ziva insulting, demeaning, unsupportive, of Tony, but those are glossed over as "fun banter" or some such excuse, by folks who will see tiva no matter how Ziva behaves toward Tony, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would NEVER want my children to become romantically involved with someone who was so self centered, unguardedly hurtful, and unempathetic, that their idea of love is to hit below the belt time after time, and only be supportive when it suits their whim no matter how alluringly she shakes her . . ponytail.
in the episode boxed in Ziva realized she was wrong for not having Tony for dinner she told she was sorry and during the end of the episode she was going have Tony for dinner, and she always cared for Tony in season 4 angel of death all she did was worry about Tony that showed she cared
@Michael, I disagree with you on this one.
I do think Ziva cares, she just doesn't know what to do with it. She's displayed it in numerous episodes throughout the years. That's what helps to create their chemistry.
Ziva later apologised to Tony and said she should of invited him, at least she cared enough to apologise and see the error of her ways.
If these are your best examples of why you think that Ziva does not care for Tony then I think we can all agree that your argument is pretty crap.
I would just like to point out back in season 3 when Ziva broke the first rules having coworker over for dinner but not inviting Tony that was mean and rude.
Then she told Tony back in season 6 he could not have Coffee in MITAC yet she had food in there
@jaja111, I posted a comment early yesterday, but something must have gone wrong. Anyway, it's all fine. You're quite funny and I'm sorry for jumping into a
To say Ziva does not care about anyone but her self, sorry but that's not true, I think she cares about all her fellow workers, even more so for Tony, two examples from last season Rekindled she was concerned at the way Tony was acting, and when Tony told her what happened you could see the anguish on her face,then she was concerned again for Tony episode The Good Son, and there has been many more, there is times where I don't like Ziva, but in the end she does really care.
As for Ziva, there have been episodes where Tony has helped her see "the error of her ways", shown her how to lighten up and have fun. They have hurt one another, they have helped one another. Pretty much runs the gamet.
@AJA Oh, I think that the writers care more about Tony than what you think. I certainly don't see him being reduced to an "oversexed cad in the elevator". It's always been made clear that there is more to Tony than what meets the eye. Some writers present it better than others, but I would say that is as much a part of "canon" as Gibbs loving coffee. My guess is that his actions in the elevator will be quite heroic. As for him being portrayed as "callously shallow", I think the approach to show him that way has been there since the beginning. Something happens that either shows him to be quite the opposite, or, yes, Ziva gets to show him the error of his ways. Unless it's Gibbs. Or Tim. Or Abby. Or Ducky. I believe even Jenny and Vance have gotten in on this one. That's due to the writers often trying to put things in that allow MW to show his comedic side. Some work better than others, but again, that sort of thing dates back to the very first season.
@Mary. Sorry Mary, but I disagree with you completely on that one. You want to argue she was that way in the beginning, fine, although I would disagree with you on that one too. Now? Nope. Couldn't be further from the truth.
I was reading through the comments and had to butt in.
I don't see why people hate on Ziva so much. Her charecter... I have to admit i hated too in the beggining because, yeah... I missed Kate a whole load. But i have grown to love Ziva's charecter and personality and have come to ship Tiva more than i shipped Tate.
She can be a Mary-Sue at times but thats just how the writers wrote her in, Aleast i also see the Non-Mary-Sue side of her.
And Tiva... Some people like the sexual tension between Tony and Ziva, and some think that they would be great together and some don't... I understand your feelz... But me, Personally would keep watching and loving the show. Even if they got together, or didnt, or they died... Or whatever, aslong as NCIS is still there, i'm ready to go!
This certainly sounds promising. I'll hold off on the squeeing until I see exactly what this translates to on-screen, but I am hoping this situation does in fact give them a push in the right direction. It's high time they admitted the obvious and dove in, so to speak.
i think ziva is perfect for tony she has become kind and caring it can only get better.
Pretty much agree with Mary, although the writers have tried to soften her image a bit by having Ziva on occasion behave as if she cares about someone else or by inserting a poor poor victim Ziva moment. But I too am afraid that since the ptb only care about Tony insomuch as he flatters super Ziva, that his character may be reduced to an over sexed cad in the elevator who cares nothing about the fate of everyone else in the building, but rather about taking advantage of Ziva's vulnerability. The writers never seem to care if they portray Tony as unheroic and callously shallow as long as Ziva is there to show him the error of his ways.
Trust me sam Ziva does not care about anyone but herself she thinks she more perfect then God
@Mary Who says they won't show concern for their colleagues? I have little doubt that they'll be greatly concerned for them. I think that they will also be concerned for themselves and the situation they find themselves in. The elevator may be hanging by a thread. They may both be injured. The odds of them making out, or even wanting to make out, in that situaition are probably pretty slim. It is, however, one more life or death situation that they find themselves facing together, and the fact that it would bring two people who are already close that much closer makes perfect sense.
As for news on other things and other characters, we have gotten spoilers about Abby and her brother and the rest of the family who gave her up for adoption, about Tony Sr. making another appearance, and that Ducky will be recovering from his heart attack and that it will, as one would think, lead to changes in his life. We'll continue to get all sorts of spoilers on all sorts of subjects with
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