NCIS Show-Runner Hints at Tiva Taking Things "Further"

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It looks like Tiva worshippers may finally get their wish ... or at least come closer to it.

NCIS executive producer Gary Glasberg tells TV Guide that we may see things progress to a new level between Tony (Michael Weatherly) and Ziva (Cote de Pablo) in Season 10.

One way or another, post-bombing trauma may bring the duo closer than ever.

Anthony and Ziva

"The elevator scenes are so good," Glasberg says of the opening episode, which finds them trapped after Richard Schiff's Harper Dearing detonated a car bomb outside NCIS HQ.

"[Tony and Ziva] can't help but be affected by this in a certain way, and they will continue to reach out to each other because of the connection they have as friends and as coworkers."

"There are definitely 'moments.' I'd like to take things a little further along than we have [in the past]."

What do you think those moments will consist of? Or should consist of? Do you want one of TV's most buzzed-about will-they-or-won't-they couples to finally go there?

Sound off on all things Tony, Ziva and NCIS in the comments below ...

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@AJA Problem: so are all of the other characters, to one extent or another, including Gibbs. Especially Gibbs. So, I suppose this makes them all Mary Sues and Marty Stues? Frankly, I have to agree with the professor on this one -- I think that the term "Mary Sue" is used by too many these days as an accusation to hurl against characters they don't like. You may truly believe that Ziva is truly one, but I doubt that the writers do. So she has a tragic background. So does Gibbs. So does Tony. So she has skills and abilities that would appear to be above the level of many with a similar background. McGee has crazy mad computer skills that put him at a level far above those of even the best computer geeks. It's a drama and most characters in a drama have their skills, their abilities, their very lives, presented in such a way that makes them stand out in a crowd, that makes people take notice of them. That helps enhance the drama, makes it that much more dramatic. One person's Mary Sue or Marty Stu is another person's well written character. I'm sorry, but I think a majority of the viewers of NCIS just don't share your view and opinion of Ziva.


ziva isn't a "mary sue". if you are looking for a textbook "mary sue", then look no further than the character "samantha carter" of stargate sg-1.


i wish they had an edit button. how do you know what skills anybody operative should have at any particular age? it should have read..."how do you know what skills an operative should have at a particular age?"


AJA: "But she is still very much written as a far too multiply skilled for her age,..." and you are basing this on what? your experience as a female mossad agent? one who was essentially raised from birth to be an agent, by a agent himself. how do you know what skills anybody operative should have at any particular age?


Thanks to Freaking Know It All who clarified my post. I enjoyed yours. Also, I suppose that you are right about the double standard between male and female characters being Mary Sues. I think though that MacGuyver was sort of good for its day, but would now be more widely seen as pretty ridiculous. And to SAM - yes, us Ziva detractors are often the first to point out her faults such as her violence, her seeming indifference to Tony's feelings when she hits below the belt, or her superior bragging attitude. But she is still very much written as a far too multiply skilled for her age, conveniently and over dramatically wonderful, universally admired, and tragically heroic. All attributes intended to garner sympathy and create flattering illusion for this rather unrealistic character.


A correction: the professor's name should read "Crispin", not "Crespin". My mistake.


No Michael, we cannot all "accept" that Tiva is bad. That's the point: there are a goodly number of us who disagree with you on that and are stating our opinions on the subject, just like you are stating yours. People have different opinions on the subject -- that's crystal clear. If we can all accept that some of us think it's good, some think it's bad, and all are free to post their opinions and give reasons why they think that way, even if it challenges another person's long held thoughts and views, then yes, we can move on.


@Freaking Know-It-All Speaking of which, there was an article commenting on that same aspect of the "Mary Sue", that said Kirk could be described as a "Marty Stu" for the very same reasons you gave, other than the fact that he never dies. Come to think of it though, I guess he did die, more or less, in the last Star Trek movie he appeared in.


@AJA Ah, but here's the thing: you, yourself, as you say, point out all of Ziva's faults, foibles and failures, as do those who agree with you, so if she's all of that, she can't really be much of a "Mary Sue", can she? Now, I have never seen or read anything by SB, or DPB, or GG, or any of the writers say that Ziva is supposed to perfect, or idealized, or "overly perfect and righteously supperior." It is quite often the case, however, that some characters get tagged with that epithet, rightly or wrongly, when they are viewed by their detractors as dominating the spotlight. Some professor with some knowledge of the subject, an Ann C. Crespin, says the term is used by those who use the term to define a character they don't like, no matter how well written that character might be.


Actually, the term "Mary Sue" was coined because of certain Star Trek:TOS fanfic; however, her unrealistic attributes and skills are accurately described by AJA. However, there is one addition: At the end, "Mary Sue" conveniently bites the dust, leaving all and sundry awash in tears of regret and lament. That being said, with the exception of the croaking part, AJA quite nicely described the character of "MacGuyver." Does anyone want to get into a sexism debate over why it is okay for a man to possess all of those super-skills (and is not only lauded and praised, but has become part of lexicon pop culture), but not a woman? Perhaps at some point in the future, a woman who kicks the sh*t out of an abusive man or tenderly licks his face (I LOVE that scene!) will be described as "doing a Ziva."

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