NCIS Show-Runner Hints at Tiva Taking Things "Further" Comments (Page 6)
175 Comments
SAM
August 4th, 2012 4:06 PM
@ fan Apparently there are those who disagree, some of whom may work for the show.
SAM
August 4th, 2012 4:05 PM
@AJA First, who says they would lose viewers? Secondly, it seems as though every year of that 7 year period, they up the closeness and attraction of the two to one degree or another a little bit more, sometimes by a lot, sometimes by a lot less. That's milking it, and the fact that people are still talking about them after all this time would seem to show that it's working.
The entire time that this has been going on, the ratings have gone up. This would seem to show that it fits in perfectly with DPB's idea of the show being a character driven crime procedural. While some may not like that and leave, my guess is that at this point, the numbers will not drop dramatically because of that. And with probably a maximum of three seasons at best (counting this season)left to go, TPTB may simply not be that worried about it at this point.
fan
August 4th, 2012 5:49 AM
I just wish Tony would find someone else, not Ziva cos no good can come of this'romance'
Mary
August 4th, 2012 4:05 AM
For god's sake, to read these NCIS spoilers, you'd think that all that exists on the show is the insipid Tony and Ziva "story." The fact that the focus is on if they'll get lucky in an elevator after their building is bombed and for all they know their colleagues are dead and dying (Ducky did mention bodies!) is really sad. This is an ensemble show, and the finale cleverly put essentially everyone in harm's way. Yet all the media and the majority Tiva fans can focus on is the shiny couple in the elevator. What about McGee? Abby? Gibbs? DUCKY? They all exist, and it would be nice to see just one spoiler in ten that doesn't revolve around the elevator and the idiots who took it in a bombing situation. If NCIS further reduces Tony's character to being focused on a woman (any woman!) sexually/romantically in a life or death situation, they risk losing all credibility with the part of the audience that loves Tony--not as a side to Ziva, but as his own character. After the debacle that was t
AJA
August 3rd, 2012 8:56 PM
@ Sam - 7 years goes way beyond milking it. I'd say that cow is past its prime and the milk has gone sour. I think that it is quite obvious why they continue to tease but never seal the deal. While many fans would be happy, many other fans would leave because the show would no longer be a crime procedural with a fun team interaction focus, but rather a soap opera with guns. The tiva fans who claim that it will happen in the show's final episode are probably the ones most likely to get what they want. Of course the reason tptb would wait til the last episode is that they would have no future viewership loss to worry about.
@Lexi C- I actually want to say sorry becaise my last message was somewhat sarcastic and unnecessary. Actually my whole mini tantrum was unnecessary. Sorry.
@Lexi C- Yay!!! You have made my day. I no longer have to insult people over their grammar. We can go back to talking about NCIS, its merits, and insulting people over our disagreements about the show. Let me try this. Isn't NCIS great? I can't wait for the new season to start!
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 6:16 PM
@AJA Because they wanted to milk it for as much as they could get from it before the began the final process of putting them together.
AJA
August 3rd, 2012 6:04 PM
@Sam - I never implied that on line polling was the only form of research being used by anyone. I only responded to comments that polls (like the one here) showed that "tiva" is overwhelmingly popular. If the "other forms" of polling showed that "tiva" was so universally popular, then I have to wonder why, after seven years, they haven't written Tony and Ziva as sealing the deal yet.
Lexi C
August 3rd, 2012 5:34 PM
@jaja111
"Was it mean to imply that Michael was ignorant?"
Oh teacher, do you see YOUR error? My first comment gave you a taste of your own medicine. I really don't care about sentence structure. I would rather discuss the merits of the show than insult each other. So from this point forward that is what I intend to do.
@Lexi C- I'd like to thank you so much for giving me that vocabulary lesson. I don't know how I would survive without it. Just to let you know Michael was saying that Ziva called Tony, "A worthless waste of space" and couldn't provide the episode where that was said. Was it mean to imply that Michael was ignorant? Yes. Should I have not done so? Probably. Do I feel bad for it? No. Besides, I just just trying to help him out with the English language. His sentence construction could use some work(your second sentence is grammatically incorrect by the way).
Katie
August 3rd, 2012 4:03 PM
No no no no no no no! Why must we keep going back to Tiva? I don't want to see Tiva I have to interest in Tiva, I HATE Tiva!
Why does Tiva really need to happen? Because fans want it? Well, that's a terrible reason because 1.) Not all NCIS fans are Tiva fans. 2.) Just because a show has a will-they-or-won't-they couple doesn't mean they have to get together, and if they hasn't spend so much time making sure every spoiler and teaser was Tiva related since season seven, then we wouldn't have this problem. And of course 3.) Tiva isn't the most popular NCIS pair. It just seems like that because that's the media likes to keep talking about.
Gary Glasburg, I love this show so much, but I cannot stand this romantic crap with Tony and Ziva. It doesn't feel real at all and in order to please a small number of fans, you are pissing off the rest of us. Please let them decide that there's nothing there so we can forget this ever existed!
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 3:56 PM
@AJA If you think online poling is the only form of research on this subject that they have been conducting, you are sadly mistaken.
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 3:55 PM
Michael, how in the name of God could anybody sue a writer for a TV show or the TV show itself over pairing characters up? Were Tiva fans upset about it? Sure. Me, my general feeling was more that of being annoyed, but that's about it. Most people figured it would end with their spliting up. The only questions were "how" and "when". Both were answered this past season.
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 3:51 PM
@Lexi I have been watching the show since the beginning and I intend to watch it until it goes off the air, come hell or high water. And I doubt that the dynamics of the show will change one bit with Tony and Ziva getting together.
Lexi C
August 3rd, 2012 3:32 PM
@jaja111, isn't it interesting when one differs with your view they are suddenly ignorant. Just because TIVA doesn't resonate (look it up sweetie) with some of us......
@SAM, the dynamics of TIVA will change the show. NCIS will not be the same show and your wish will be granted. Then you can pick up the remote you know so well and change the station. Mediocrity at its best.
I knew this was gonna turn into an argument. Isn't it great how we continueously talk in circles? Michael will say something against Ziva and maybe even Tiva and then SAM will counter with actual logic and reasoning.
@SAM- It's nice seeing you prove how ignorant(I hope that word isn't too big for him/her) Michael is, but maybe you should just let him/her live in their fantasy world where he/she is all-knowing and is supreme to all.
bmj721
August 3rd, 2012 1:16 PM
Concerning Tiva, my hope for NCIS is to present whatever storyline that would add and not subtract from the same great program we have been enjoying for the past 9 seasons.
Michael
August 3rd, 2012 11:12 AM
@SAM
Okay then how come two year ago when they Hook up Tony and EJ and Ray and Ziva the Tiva shipper sent letters and harsh phone calls to the writers say if they don't break them up then were going to sue you.
How come everytime Someone other Ziva is given the spot like Tiva shipper throw a fit
AJA
August 3rd, 2012 10:50 AM
I had read that DPB wanted to explore the possibility that Kate and Tony become romantically involved after SWAK. Kate showed real support for Tony in that episode and you could see her opinion changing as well as an acknowledgement that he meant more to her than even she suspected. There was a logical progression. Even though Kate and Tony bickered and competed, they were often supportive and alwasys respected each other on a professional level. Ziva says things like she needs a shower after talking to Tony, what could a successful woman possibly see in Tony, he's fat, he's old, he's deadweight, selfish, wrong, shallow etc. etc. Not even close to love IMO. Also, these poll are hardly representative of NCIS fandom since the large majority of viewers are over 50 and don't go online nearly as frequently as the younger demographic to participate. Ziva/tiva, being a Mary Sue, is def written to appeal to younger viewers.
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 8:58 AM
Michael, you and people like you are free to choose to either continue watching the show or not. But the show has the right to present the storylines that they want to show. And if they have decided to put Tony and Ziva together, that's their right. They write the show, you don't. Time and the ratings will tell if that was a wise decision on their part.
SAM
August 3rd, 2012 8:53 AM
Matt, "Tiva" was intended certainly from the moment that Ziva joined the show, but if you go back to the special features section on the NCIS Season 1 DVD, you can watch DPB's interview, in which he talks about being fascinated by the number of real life NCIS agents who were either married or in a committed relationship with each other. He said that he became determined at some point to explore such a thing on the show. I think he determined early on that Tony would be the male half of the equation. I think he was leaning towards Kate being the female half until Sasha came and told him she wanted out. And that's how Cote ended up joining the show.
Ncisfan
August 3rd, 2012 8:04 AM
I watch NCIS for the interesting cases and how the team work together to solve them. I dont see how tiva getting together or not getting together affects this in any way.
Ncisfan
August 3rd, 2012 8:03 AM
I watch NCIS for the
Matt
August 3rd, 2012 8:02 AM
@Nat
How could Tiva be intended from the start when the character was never meant to be on the show in the first place
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
August 4th, 2012 4:06 PM
@ fan Apparently there are those who disagree, some of whom may work for the show.
August 4th, 2012 4:05 PM
@AJA First, who says they would lose viewers? Secondly, it seems as though every year of that 7 year period, they up the closeness and attraction of the two to one degree or another a little bit more, sometimes by a lot, sometimes by a lot less. That's milking it, and the fact that people are still talking about them after all this time would seem to show that it's working.
The entire time that this has been going on, the ratings have gone up. This would seem to show that it fits in perfectly with DPB's idea of the show being a character driven crime procedural. While some may not like that and leave, my guess is that at this point, the numbers will not drop dramatically because of that. And with probably a maximum of three seasons at best (counting this season)left to go, TPTB may simply not be that worried about it at this point.
August 4th, 2012 5:49 AM
I just wish Tony would find someone else, not Ziva cos no good can come of this'romance'
August 4th, 2012 4:05 AM
For god's sake, to read these NCIS spoilers, you'd think that all that exists on the show is the insipid Tony and Ziva "story." The fact that the focus is on if they'll get lucky in an elevator after their building is bombed and for all they know their colleagues are dead and dying (Ducky did mention bodies!) is really sad. This is an ensemble show, and the finale cleverly put essentially everyone in harm's way. Yet all the media and the majority Tiva fans can focus on is the shiny couple in the elevator. What about McGee? Abby? Gibbs? DUCKY? They all exist, and it would be nice to see just one spoiler in ten that doesn't revolve around the elevator and the idiots who took it in a bombing situation. If NCIS further reduces Tony's character to being focused on a woman (any woman!) sexually/romantically in a life or death situation, they risk losing all credibility with the part of the audience that loves Tony--not as a side to Ziva, but as his own character. After the debacle that was t
August 3rd, 2012 8:56 PM
@ Sam - 7 years goes way beyond milking it. I'd say that cow is past its prime and the milk has gone sour. I think that it is quite obvious why they continue to tease but never seal the deal. While many fans would be happy, many other fans would leave because the show would no longer be a crime procedural with a fun team interaction focus, but rather a soap opera with guns. The tiva fans who claim that it will happen in the show's final episode are probably the ones most likely to get what they want. Of course the reason tptb would wait til the last episode is that they would have no future viewership loss to worry about.
Rank: Extra
August 3rd, 2012 6:58 PM
@Lexi C- I actually want to say sorry becaise my last message was somewhat sarcastic and unnecessary. Actually my whole mini tantrum was unnecessary. Sorry.
Rank: Extra
August 3rd, 2012 6:40 PM
@Lexi C- Yay!!! You have made my day. I no longer have to insult people over their grammar. We can go back to talking about NCIS, its merits, and insulting people over our disagreements about the show. Let me try this. Isn't NCIS great? I can't wait for the new season to start!
August 3rd, 2012 6:16 PM
@AJA Because they wanted to milk it for as much as they could get from it before the began the final process of putting them together.
August 3rd, 2012 6:04 PM
@Sam - I never implied that on line polling was the only form of research being used by anyone. I only responded to comments that polls (like the one here) showed that "tiva" is overwhelmingly popular. If the "other forms" of polling showed that "tiva" was so universally popular, then I have to wonder why, after seven years, they haven't written Tony and Ziva as sealing the deal yet.
August 3rd, 2012 5:34 PM
@jaja111
"Was it mean to imply that Michael was ignorant?"
Oh teacher, do you see YOUR error? My first comment gave you a taste of your own medicine. I really don't care about sentence structure. I would rather discuss the merits of the show than insult each other. So from this point forward that is what I intend to do.
Rank: Extra
August 3rd, 2012 4:10 PM
@Lexi C- I'd like to thank you so much for giving me that vocabulary lesson. I don't know how I would survive without it. Just to let you know Michael was saying that Ziva called Tony, "A worthless waste of space" and couldn't provide the episode where that was said. Was it mean to imply that Michael was ignorant? Yes. Should I have not done so? Probably. Do I feel bad for it? No. Besides, I just just trying to help him out with the English language. His sentence construction could use some work(your second sentence is grammatically incorrect by the way).
August 3rd, 2012 4:03 PM
No no no no no no no! Why must we keep going back to Tiva? I don't want to see Tiva I have to interest in Tiva, I HATE Tiva!
Why does Tiva really need to happen? Because fans want it? Well, that's a terrible reason because 1.) Not all NCIS fans are Tiva fans. 2.) Just because a show has a will-they-or-won't-they couple doesn't mean they have to get together, and if they hasn't spend so much time making sure every spoiler and teaser was Tiva related since season seven, then we wouldn't have this problem. And of course 3.) Tiva isn't the most popular NCIS pair. It just seems like that because that's the media likes to keep talking about.
Gary Glasburg, I love this show so much, but I cannot stand this romantic crap with Tony and Ziva. It doesn't feel real at all and in order to please a small number of fans, you are pissing off the rest of us. Please let them decide that there's nothing there so we can forget this ever existed!
August 3rd, 2012 3:56 PM
@AJA If you think online poling is the only form of research on this subject that they have been conducting, you are sadly mistaken.
August 3rd, 2012 3:55 PM
Michael, how in the name of God could anybody sue a writer for a TV show or the TV show itself over pairing characters up? Were Tiva fans upset about it? Sure. Me, my general feeling was more that of being annoyed, but that's about it. Most people figured it would end with their spliting up. The only questions were "how" and "when". Both were answered this past season.
August 3rd, 2012 3:51 PM
@Lexi I have been watching the show since the beginning and I intend to watch it until it goes off the air, come hell or high water. And I doubt that the dynamics of the show will change one bit with Tony and Ziva getting together.
August 3rd, 2012 3:32 PM
@jaja111, isn't it interesting when one differs with your view they are suddenly ignorant. Just because TIVA doesn't resonate (look it up sweetie) with some of us......
@SAM, the dynamics of TIVA will change the show. NCIS will not be the same show and your wish will be granted. Then you can pick up the remote you know so well and change the station. Mediocrity at its best.
Rank: Extra
August 3rd, 2012 3:00 PM
I knew this was gonna turn into an argument. Isn't it great how we continueously talk in circles? Michael will say something against Ziva and maybe even Tiva and then SAM will counter with actual logic and reasoning.
@SAM- It's nice seeing you prove how ignorant(I hope that word isn't too big for him/her) Michael is, but maybe you should just let him/her live in their fantasy world where he/she is all-knowing and is supreme to all.
August 3rd, 2012 1:16 PM
Concerning Tiva, my hope for NCIS is to present whatever storyline that would add and not subtract from the same great program we have been enjoying for the past 9 seasons.
August 3rd, 2012 11:12 AM
@SAM
Okay then how come two year ago when they Hook up Tony and EJ and Ray and Ziva the Tiva shipper sent letters and harsh phone calls to the writers say if they don't break them up then were going to sue you.
How come everytime Someone other Ziva is given the spot like Tiva shipper throw a fit
August 3rd, 2012 10:50 AM
I had read that DPB wanted to explore the possibility that Kate and Tony become romantically involved after SWAK. Kate showed real support for Tony in that episode and you could see her opinion changing as well as an acknowledgement that he meant more to her than even she suspected. There was a logical progression. Even though Kate and Tony bickered and competed, they were often supportive and alwasys respected each other on a professional level. Ziva says things like she needs a shower after talking to Tony, what could a successful woman possibly see in Tony, he's fat, he's old, he's deadweight, selfish, wrong, shallow etc. etc. Not even close to love IMO. Also, these poll are hardly representative of NCIS fandom since the large majority of viewers are over 50 and don't go online nearly as frequently as the younger demographic to participate. Ziva/tiva, being a Mary Sue, is def written to appeal to younger viewers.
August 3rd, 2012 8:58 AM
Michael, you and people like you are free to choose to either continue watching the show or not. But the show has the right to present the storylines that they want to show. And if they have decided to put Tony and Ziva together, that's their right. They write the show, you don't. Time and the ratings will tell if that was a wise decision on their part.
August 3rd, 2012 8:53 AM
Matt, "Tiva" was intended certainly from the moment that Ziva joined the show, but if you go back to the special features section on the NCIS Season 1 DVD, you can watch DPB's interview, in which he talks about being fascinated by the number of real life NCIS agents who were either married or in a committed relationship with each other. He said that he became determined at some point to explore such a thing on the show. I think he determined early on that Tony would be the male half of the equation. I think he was leaning towards Kate being the female half until Sasha came and told him she wanted out. And that's how Cote ended up joining the show.
August 3rd, 2012 8:04 AM
I watch NCIS for the interesting cases and how the team work together to solve them. I dont see how tiva getting together or not getting together affects this in any way.
August 3rd, 2012 8:03 AM
I watch NCIS for the
August 3rd, 2012 8:02 AM
@Nat
How could Tiva be intended from the start when the character was never meant to be on the show in the first place