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Castle Round Table: "Cloudy With a Chance of Murder"

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"Cloudy With a Chance of Murder" depicted Castle in all kinds of hot water, all thanks to a bikini-clad reporter who at least gave our Round Table team plenty to discuss.

Come along now as TV Fanatic staffer Chandel Charles, Carla Da, and Christine Orlando are joined by Castle fan Mary Lou from The 12th Fan Forum, as they debate whether Rick should have agreed to that date and whether Caskett can survive keeping this secret.

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What was your favorite scene?
Chandel: Kate refusing to kiss Rick because all she could see were that reporter's "boobs in his face." It just made me laugh.

Mary Lou: As much as I loved the opening scene, the end scene was my favorite.  I loved it because Kate and Castle were open, honest, and communicating with each other, not hiding anything.  We've waited a LONG time for that and it's great to see them working together at being awesome.

Carla: I enjoyed the relationship stuff between Castle and Beckett at the beginning of the episode. It was hilarious to watch Beckett get worried about what clothes she would wear when she always wears the same thing. Has she dressed to impress Castle all these years? And, then for Castle to change his routine of getting Beckett coffee. Duh, if you don't want to be found out, you don't change your routine. Though it was fun!

Christine: For me it was the opening scene. It was just so cute and normal and domestic with a bit of sexy thrown in. I'm hoping we get a lot more scenes like that this season.

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Was taking a punch all it took for Esposito to forgive Ryan?
Chandel: I think it reminded him that they really are partners and that nothing about that has changed, even though Ryan felt he had to go to Gates in last season's finale.

Mary Lou: It sure seems like Esposito is finally ready to bury the hatchet. I hope that he and Ryan are able to clear the air over their beers. It's been hard to watch them be on the outs with each other.

Carla: Looks like it. I expect there will still be some tension between the two, but I hope they get back to normal as quickly as possible. Their argument should be done and over.

Christine: I think it's a start but I still believe it's going to be a long road to get these two partners back to the level of trust and friendship they had before.

Should Rick have agreed to the date?
Chandel: NO! He totally should have declined politely. I don't think it helped that Kate told him they needed to keep their relationship a secret and told him to pretend to be single. That only perpetuated the problem, but I think in the end he still should have declined.

Mary Lou: I understand that he agreed to the date to keep up the appearance of being single. He had a "deer in the headlights" look on his face while trying to figure out what his answer should be. I felt kind of sorry for him. He didn't really have time to come up with a reason why not to go out with Christine that would sound believable and that she would accept. Still, he should have said NO!

Carla: He really didn't have a choice. He was on live TV and said that he was single, it would have been awkward if he said, "no." Though, he should have gotten out of it after the fact. He didn't handle that very well, especially when she showed up at his house. He did act very Castle-like, so I guess you can't blame the guy for being himself.

Christine: I'm with Mary Lou. "Deer in the headlights" is the perfect description. Turning her down on live TV after he admitted he was single would have been really awkward. Of course he should have made up an excuse to cancel later but his bumbling once she turned up at his place was so funny I'm kind of glad he didn't.

Rick and Kate are scrambling already. How long can they keep this secret?
Chandel: I'm going to give them at least a few more episodes. I think they could do it if they really put their minds to it. Given today's performance, however, I think the cat will come  out of the bag eventually.

Mary Lou: It's going to get harder and harder the longer they're together. I'm not sure how long they can keep it a secret. I think they should tell Martha, Alexis, Jim, Ryan, Esposito and Lanie. They'll probably figure it out anyway. Those are the people who love them most and have been rooting for them to be together. They would "have their backs" and keep their secret for them.

Carla: Not much longer. I hope they are able to keep it up a bit longer, though I really hope that when their friends and/or family figure it out that they play along. That would be so much fun to watch.

Christine: They should really be better at this. At this rate it won't take long for their friends to figure things out. I hope Castle tells Martha and Alexis soon and Kate at least tells Lanie.

Will keeping their relationship a secret hurt them in the end?
Chandel: I don't think it will hurt them unless they let it. As long as they aren't keeping secrets from one another, I think they still have a chance for everything to come out okay.

Mary Lou: There's no show if they're not together at the precinct solving crimes, so it will not end their work relationship. However, keeping the relationship secret will be stressful for them both.  It may cause some bumps along the way, but I believe it will all work out in the end. I'm holding Andrew Marlowe to his promise that he wouldn't get them together just to break them up again.

Carla:  I don't think so. If anything, it will allow them time to get used to being together romantically and creates a bit of intrigue that they both thrive on.

Christine: I think it's added stress they don't really need and letting family and close friends know would probably give them added support. But I think they're in this for the long haul. As long as they keep talking to one another (something fans have waited to see for four seasons!) I think they'll be just fine.

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    Well, another hurdle needing to be dealt with...but still hard to watch. FICTION allows our wonderful CASTLE writers to create the stories we see & they are crazy smart...seriously. Who would believe they had THE WORLD waiting 4 years for a first kiss between CASTLE & BECKETT??? All your comments are right on - based on the real world - straight from your hearts..completely honest :) Enter the CASTLE KINGDOM - our writers have full control over everything that happens in it. We love them for making our Mondays MAGICAL. It is good we see Kate & Rick go through a list of "NEED TO BE ADDRESSED ISSUES" ...but now we would love our writers to do that "thing" they do & come up with ways for ruggedly handsome Richard to turn down weather babe dates & have him end up in bed with Kate, his drop dead gorgeous muse ;) - I know they can, of course they can, they are the best & we will love them...ALWAYS !!! :)

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    I suspect this scenario will be the minor itch in Castle and Beckett's smooth relationship. Rick may "know" her in many ways, but does not always get the message when she just implies something. He is more direct, and for them to successfully continue the adult communication that they have FINALLY begun, Kate will need to learn to say exactly what she means. Her argument that he should "know" that it would bother her will cause them problems. Can they overcome it? Sure, but it will take deliberate and mature acceptance of the other person's form of communication. Kate should check her interpretation of his words and actions with him by talking about it and Rick should return the favor. That is how relationships have a chance to mature. Glitter

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    @NoHassleCastle: LOL!! Believe it or not, reasonable women do exist. I'm a woman, and I totally agree with you. I actually mentioned my annoyance with that in the comments on the review.
    That was the only thing I didn't like about the episode - Beckett pretending she was okay with Castle going on the date. First off all, poor Castle was on the spot on live television. Second, Castle only went because he thought he was doing the right thing, going along with Beckett's ruse of being single. He asked her at least TWICE if she was okay, and she kept saying yes! Goodness, all she had to say was "No Castle, I don't want you to go out with her, it'll make me uncomfortable", and he would have happily broken the date. Ladies, men are not mind-readers. Geez. LOL!!

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    I'm really looking forward to this season! I'm a big ryan- esposito fan so i feel strongly about their relationship... So i'm a little disappointed by how they got back together! Andrew Marlowe is wonderful, but they got a lot of new writers this season and i don't like how they do so many "quick- fixes". The bromance reuniting thing was like, oh i just realized that earlier ryan took a punch for me well lets get a beer now. I'm glad that they're together, but it wasn't as meaningful as i would have liked it to be.

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    this episode was so cute seeing them together

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    It wasn't asked,but my favorite scene was Castle's butt dialing to Beckett. It was hilarous!!!! And this happens alot with the phones. Also loved the scene at the TV station when Beckett was smiling to herself watching Castle act like a little boy with the weather board.

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    @NoHassleCastle - you're welcome. I'm sure your wife is a wonderful person :) but I just have totally different approach, because I hate playing these games where someone says something but really means something else. I hate it when people do that :) And yes, I'm very much a Bond girl. I've seen every Bond movie, most of them more than once ;) also "Strawberry Fields Forever" is my favourite Beatles song and I just loved the idea of someone being named after it.

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    Hey, Strawberry Fields (and I'm guessing you're a Bond fan with that name!): I thank you for your reasoned response. Even my wife debated with me that Castle should have KNOWN Beckett wanted him to decline the date. As I've been telling her for 20+ years: we men do NOT have a crystal ball, and we don't read minds. You gotta tell us, in easy-to-understand terms, what it is you want...or you leave us guessing! ;o)

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    @NoHassleCastle - I am a girl, but I will not argue with you on this. Castle should not go out on a date, because he didn't really want to and he should know it would bring nothing but trouble. BUT I really don't think he handled the situation badly. Beckett encouraged him every step of the way, he had every right to think she supported the idea. Of course letting the girl jump him like that is another problem, but first of all - how was he supposed to know that would happen? And second of all - the poor guy tried to get away, but those kinds of women really don't take "no" for an answer :) So don't worry, NoHassleCastle (I love your nickname, btw), not all the ladies would condemn Castle for the bikini mess :)

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    Now, for my rant: I'm a man, and I've been in Castle's situation before (going out on a date with no intention of "dating" -- my girlfriend at the time ASKED me to take out her cousin because she had to work, so I not in a position to say no...long story). Her cousin became romantically aggressive, and it was an awkward situation for a...gentlemen who had every intention of being faithful (and, I was!). I can tell you that, short of pimp-slapping the woman, Castle was hardly in a position to rebuff this woman any better than he did. BECKETT is just as culpable as Castle in this scenario, because Castle thought he was complying with something he didn't even want to participate in: pretending to be single! But I bet you ladies will argue with me. So be it; somebody's got to keep it 100 out here! ;o)