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Castle Round Table: "Cloudy With a Chance of Murder"

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"Cloudy With a Chance of Murder" depicted Castle in all kinds of hot water, all thanks to a bikini-clad reporter who at least gave our Round Table team plenty to discuss.

Come along now as TV Fanatic staffer Chandel Charles, Carla Da, and Christine Orlando are joined by Castle fan Mary Lou from The 12th Fan Forum, as they debate whether Rick should have agreed to that date and whether Caskett can survive keeping this secret.

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What was your favorite scene?
Chandel: Kate refusing to kiss Rick because all she could see were that reporter's "boobs in his face." It just made me laugh.

Mary Lou: As much as I loved the opening scene, the end scene was my favorite.  I loved it because Kate and Castle were open, honest, and communicating with each other, not hiding anything.  We've waited a LONG time for that and it's great to see them working together at being awesome.

Carla: I enjoyed the relationship stuff between Castle and Beckett at the beginning of the episode. It was hilarious to watch Beckett get worried about what clothes she would wear when she always wears the same thing. Has she dressed to impress Castle all these years? And, then for Castle to change his routine of getting Beckett coffee. Duh, if you don't want to be found out, you don't change your routine. Though it was fun!

Christine: For me it was the opening scene. It was just so cute and normal and domestic with a bit of sexy thrown in. I'm hoping we get a lot more scenes like that this season.

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Was taking a punch all it took for Esposito to forgive Ryan?
Chandel: I think it reminded him that they really are partners and that nothing about that has changed, even though Ryan felt he had to go to Gates in last season's finale.

Mary Lou: It sure seems like Esposito is finally ready to bury the hatchet. I hope that he and Ryan are able to clear the air over their beers. It's been hard to watch them be on the outs with each other.

Carla: Looks like it. I expect there will still be some tension between the two, but I hope they get back to normal as quickly as possible. Their argument should be done and over.

Christine: I think it's a start but I still believe it's going to be a long road to get these two partners back to the level of trust and friendship they had before.

Should Rick have agreed to the date?
Chandel: NO! He totally should have declined politely. I don't think it helped that Kate told him they needed to keep their relationship a secret and told him to pretend to be single. That only perpetuated the problem, but I think in the end he still should have declined.

Mary Lou: I understand that he agreed to the date to keep up the appearance of being single. He had a "deer in the headlights" look on his face while trying to figure out what his answer should be. I felt kind of sorry for him. He didn't really have time to come up with a reason why not to go out with Christine that would sound believable and that she would accept. Still, he should have said NO!

Carla: He really didn't have a choice. He was on live TV and said that he was single, it would have been awkward if he said, "no." Though, he should have gotten out of it after the fact. He didn't handle that very well, especially when she showed up at his house. He did act very Castle-like, so I guess you can't blame the guy for being himself.

Christine: I'm with Mary Lou. "Deer in the headlights" is the perfect description. Turning her down on live TV after he admitted he was single would have been really awkward. Of course he should have made up an excuse to cancel later but his bumbling once she turned up at his place was so funny I'm kind of glad he didn't.

Rick and Kate are scrambling already. How long can they keep this secret?
Chandel: I'm going to give them at least a few more episodes. I think they could do it if they really put their minds to it. Given today's performance, however, I think the cat will come  out of the bag eventually.

Mary Lou: It's going to get harder and harder the longer they're together. I'm not sure how long they can keep it a secret. I think they should tell Martha, Alexis, Jim, Ryan, Esposito and Lanie. They'll probably figure it out anyway. Those are the people who love them most and have been rooting for them to be together. They would "have their backs" and keep their secret for them.

Carla: Not much longer. I hope they are able to keep it up a bit longer, though I really hope that when their friends and/or family figure it out that they play along. That would be so much fun to watch.

Christine: They should really be better at this. At this rate it won't take long for their friends to figure things out. I hope Castle tells Martha and Alexis soon and Kate at least tells Lanie.

Will keeping their relationship a secret hurt them in the end?
Chandel: I don't think it will hurt them unless they let it. As long as they aren't keeping secrets from one another, I think they still have a chance for everything to come out okay.

Mary Lou: There's no show if they're not together at the precinct solving crimes, so it will not end their work relationship. However, keeping the relationship secret will be stressful for them both.  It may cause some bumps along the way, but I believe it will all work out in the end. I'm holding Andrew Marlowe to his promise that he wouldn't get them together just to break them up again.

Carla:  I don't think so. If anything, it will allow them time to get used to being together romantically and creates a bit of intrigue that they both thrive on.

Christine: I think it's added stress they don't really need and letting family and close friends know would probably give them added support. But I think they're in this for the long haul. As long as they keep talking to one another (something fans have waited to see for four seasons!) I think they'll be just fine.

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Favorite scene: When the reporter (killer) described what it's like keeping a workplace relationship a secret. The tone was spot-on!
Esposito/Ryan bromance: I hope this is more than temporary detente. These guys need to get back 'home' right now.
The date: Gonna save this answer for my upcoming rant.
The secret (length): I think the best season-ending cliffhanger would be Gates finding out. I also believe that Martha and Lanie already "know" in their hearts.
The secret (effect): Won't hurt them, but it adds layers of complexity to their relationship. Instead of lying to each other (S4) they're lying to the world (S5).

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I like that Castle and Kate are keeping their relationship a secret, because it provides tension. Otherwise it would become ordinary too quickly. I especially liked when Lanie (who should get back with Espisito) knew that Kate had had sex, but not with whom! It also makes Kate a little vulnerable, which we're not used to seeing. AND A NOTE TO GREY: You don't have to be 49 or under to enjoy this show. We're not dead yet!

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How could anyone not love this episode? I loved your review and find the roundtable such an enjoyable way to spend time while waiting for the next episode. The only complaint I have about Castle is how little promotion ABC does. Promos during DWTS and Castle itself don't really count because they are playing to the existing fans. I wish more people knew about the show because it's so fun to talk about during the week with other fans.

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Got cut off... lol. My last statement was this: Just because Castle and Beckett are together now, it doesn't mean there won't be obstacles for them to overcome. That's what the great love stories are about, right? Beating the odds... ;-) How they handle those obstacles and challenges is what will bring them closer together, just as it has for these past four seasons.

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Grey, the ratings are nothing to worry about! Please trust me on that one and don't give in to the panic!! If "Castle" ever gets moved to another night, then you can panic ;-) I thought this round table discussion was great, as always! The one thing that I wanted to add to the discussion above is that it was necessary for us to see Castle fail in this episode. And fail miserably he did. Lol. In "After The Storm", Castle was actually quite perfect. He said the right things, he did the right things (minus asking Beckett to hide in his closet from his mother and daughter), and he was very much the perfect version of himself throughout most of the episode. So "Cloudy With A Chance Of Murder" was the chance to show his flawed side, that side of him that is trying to do the right thing but just isn't always going to make the right choices along the way. Just because Castle and Beckett are together, it doesn't mean that there won't be more obstacles for them to overcome. That's what the great love stories are about, right? ;-) At the end of the day, how they overcome those obstacles is what will bring them even closer together, just as it has over the past four years.

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Or how the guys told Beckett that Castle will make a move on the bikini girl, because "he's a guy and he has a pulse" :D Will keeping their relationship a secret hurt them in the end? No way.

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I absolutely loved this episode. This is exactly how Caste and Beckett should be like as a couple. Perfect. Favourite scene - aside from every single scene with Caskett, I loved the line from Espo: "Yo, are you wearing make-up?" :D Was taking a punch all it took for Esposito to forgive Ryan? What more do you want? But seriously, they are awesome. Should Rick have agreed to the date? Of course he should have agreed, saying no would make the whole thing super awkward. But he should not actually GO on that date. How long can they keep this secret? Another episode or two would be nice. I mean come on, that was hilarious. That is why we love this show, because of these hilarious moments. Like when Castle told Beckett she's overreacting about the coffee and then Espo immediately went: "What, no coffee?". Or when Lanie asked Beckett who the guy was and Castle went: "Yeah, who's the guy, Beckett?". Or how the guys told Beckett that Castle will make a move on the bikini girl, because "he's a guy and he has a pulse" :D Will keeping their relationship a secret hurt them in the end? No way.

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I loved that this episode gave us plenty of fun and laughter but also some significant growth in the Caskett relationship. 1 - I loved the final scene for exactly all the reasons Mary Lou mentioned. 2 - I think taking a punch was a big thing to Espo. He understands that kind of 'having your partner's back' and I think it overcame most of the resentment he was harboring towards Ryan. 3 - Castle was stuck between a rock and a hard place and almost had to agree to the date on camera. He's also known for acting impulsively and regretting it later. Despite the fun of the showdown at the loft, I think he should have sent the reporter packing before it got out of hand. 4 - Early sneak peeks have messed with this question but I still think that they'll try to keep it a secret at the station for a few more episodes -despite the fact that most people will have already figured it out :) 5 - I don't think keeping things secret will hurt them. I like what Christine said, that it will give them the time to face challenges together and grow as a couple.

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Was so happy to see Ryan and Espo start to mend the friendship and partnership. Didn't think throwing Castle under the bus was really called for. He went almost 2 years without dating waiting for Beckett...until he found out she always knew he said he loved her. And then he did it to try to forget Kate but it didn't work.
Episode still had all the things we have come to LOVE and expect from AWM!

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