Sick of the Raynard/Juliette story as well. Really nothing more to add.
Kaitcat
November 19th, 2012 4:37 AM
Two things I should've added -- I've lived in Portland for 25 of my 48 years. I love the mystique, the reality of "Keep Portland Weird" that us natives are so proud of. There's something about living in a place that can be cloudy/raining for 120 days in a row that not everyone can tolerate, webbed feet or otherwise. The other thing was the look of murderous rage on Nick's face at the end when Monroe came clean about the identity the man Juliette is having feelings for. Yowza -- I can't wait for that confrontation.
joyeful Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 1:17 PM
@Rachel - I've been wondering that since day one!!! Only one bedroom in that massive house?!? LOL!!
@luv4whedon - You raise a good point, and up until this episode I was on board with the dramatic irony, and I totally understood her confusion. She can't help what's happening with Renard or with Nick. I would argue though that by this point, the character had enough little pieces of information to make better decisions, especially with Adalind. I'm not mad that she's an emotional wreck, I'm annoyed because she's doing legitimately stupid things.
@SirenusvexTheMouse - Totally agree - if that storyline had been a bit shorter and a little more intense, it would have been more bearable.
Not a bad episode but for me it's not a cliffhanger. I find the Juilette character tedious at best and the ''love triangle' scenario is just boring. The storyline could have been darker and more intense but when you have little interest in one-of the main players that much needed intensity is diminished - more so when your hoping said character will be written out before the credits roll.
GET RID OF JULIETE
November 18th, 2012 9:38 AM
Juliete's character is so stupid PLEASE get rid of her
Kaitcat
November 18th, 2012 7:05 AM
-- transform, that was so yummy, I can't wait for him and Juliette to finally give and let the clothes ripping begin again.
Kaitcat
November 18th, 2012 7:04 AM
It seemed like three or four weeks in, Juliette was starting to figure some of this stuff out on her own, especially after Bud told her outright that Nick was a Grimm. She might not know what a Grimm was, but she was remembering things and not seeing them through the lens of her love for Nick. Heck, even last year's proposal, she said no because she knew he was hiding things from her. So having her confide in Adalind was a complete WTF moment for me. It just didn't follow/fit, whatever. But now to be contrary, I am enjoying the Renard/Juliette obsession story line. We never got to see him with Adalind, even though it was clear she was in love with him. He rejected her advances. Then he rejected her mother's advances as well. He's too good for the hexenbiest, even though we find out he is one. Aside from the fact that Sasha Roiz is finger-licking scrumptious -- no, never mind, not aside from the fact. The episode where he drank the potion and had to take his shirt off to tran
Rachel
November 18th, 2012 6:57 AM
I can't believe such a big house has only ONE bedroom and Nick has to sleep on the couch... Where did Aunt Marie sleep when she was there?
luv4whedon Rank: Extra
November 17th, 2012 8:23 PM
I am with everyone who is frustrated with Juliette but unfortunately that is the role she has to play and she's a victim of dramatic irony. The audience knows that Nick's actions are legitimate and justified and the audience knows that she is under a spell but she doesn't know. To her Nick is a stranger whom she is supposed to love and she's trying to piece together what her life was like before the freak coma. I understand why she's overly open with Monroe and Adalind; she actually remembers these people and maybe in a way hopes they can shed light on her confusing life. I am super annoyed with her too but I'm trying to see things from her point of view: she wakes up from a coma to find out she has a stranger, whose life is strange and secretive, living in her house. She finds that she does have feelings are a man whom she DOES remember and feels guilty.
Her storyline and the audience's frustrations with her character (and most female characters for that matter) are not uncommon. I
fortyseven Rank: Regular Character
November 17th, 2012 8:06 PM
I agree with the review. Grimm has a major problem with plot arcs.
DEREK1314
November 17th, 2012 6:14 PM
speaking of kicking Juliette to the curb does anyone know who's house it is, i think nick moved in with Juliette but im not sure.
KansasGuest Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:20 PM
Finally, upon watching Adalind like her lips and fully SAVOR the havoc she is wreaking among her enemies, I just had to sigh, unhappily, at the contrast with Juliette. What a thankless role! The character is a DOWNER! She has not been permitted to be happy, funny, intelligent, lustful, or the slightest bit understanding of Nick and his profession. I swear...the best that can be said based on what I've seen is that she has a lovely home and sounds lovely when speaking Spanish. She's obsessed with a gorgeous guy who is equally obsessed with her. God forbid she actually be shown as ENJOYING it! Frankly, if I didn't have an emotional connection to a guy staying at my house and Renard had kissed me on the front doorstep, I'd have hauled him over that threshold and not let him out for the rest of the night!
Maybe the show in general needs to have a better sense of humor. Adalind is laughing all the way to the bank, and she lights up the screen whenever she is on.
What an awesome episode!! i've wanted Juliette gone since the first season, but now i'm demanding it b/c i can deal with a girlfriend who doesn't know, but not an obnoxious moron without common sense..
as for Renard, I've always liked him since the beginning...I know what the series is leading you to believe, but i just do NOT believe he's a bad guy, even though all the proof is right there... maybe he was bad in the beginning, but it just seems to me when he talking with Nick, he just seems to genuinely care...maybe not at first, but i really think it'll come out he's on team Grimm, if not all along, then he is now...don't know why but i'm just so sure of it..
KansasGuest Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:01 PM
@Simone - This series is helmed by a guy who produced BUFFY, ANGEL and PROFIT. *Nothing* is as simple as "good" or "bad", black or white. Renard's action of ordering Marie killed may have been "bad" in your eyes. But, what if Renard is trying to prevent his family, the Royals, from collecting all 7 keys in order to rule the world? Just a what if...sometimes the devil you know is preferable to the devil you don't.
I don't know if you watched any of those shows. But, all it takes is one really Big Bad for the local baddie (Renard) to become a trusted ally. I'm reminded of how Spike started on BUFFY. Also, Faith, Buffy's nemesis- turned-Angel-ally-turned-fellow-Buffy-compatriot-again over the run of both shows.
KansasGuest Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 3:37 PM
I LOVED this episode! What happened to Claire Coffey? She's much better as a human beyotch than she ever was as a Hexenbiest. She seemed rather timid around her mom & Renard in the first season. But, now...I guess being "all in" with the Royals boosted her self-confidence.
It sets up a very interesting premise for Nick, too. While his mission as a Grimm is to keep Wesen under control, he does not hesitate in killing them. But, a human is different, and it's fascinating watching him walk that tightrope. He would be guilty of premeditated murder if he just slit Adalind's throat, and I don't believe Monroe or Hank would support him if she wasn't threatening someone he cared for. Adalind reminds me of Tweety Bird in her jail cell. She taunts everyone, secure in the fact that they can't touch her while under police custody. Renard, Nick & Co. are the cats that want to pounce the minute she is released.
joyeful Rank: Regular Character
November 17th, 2012 2:54 PM
Great review! I loved how the episode started with Hank getting put out of commission, leaving Nick to rely on Monroe, and man, was Monroe ever awesome. While I don't get how people halfway across the world know that Monroe is Nick's wesen ally (and try to kill him), but people in Portland don't, it's fun to watch. Adalind is a FANTASTIC villain, even better than she was in the first season.
Juliette. I hate when people (especially women) are portrayed as clueless, hapless, confused, making dumb choices when there's evidence to the contrary - and Juliette is all of the above. A few episodes, fine - but half the season? Come on. She goes into a coma after Adalind's cat scratched her, EVERYONE has alluded to that having something to do with it, and she pours her life out to this person over coffee?
Renard. I can't wait to see how this is gonna work. For one, he did try to get Marie killed and has been messing with Juliette, but he has sheltered Nick (for whatever agenda). This
Dreamrose Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:49 PM
@Simone - It may well turn out as you suggest, that Nick will eventually have to kill Renard and the other Royals. Unfortunately, many of Renard's actions thus far are being colored by our frankly limited view of his relationships with other characters, such as Adalind and his family. Personally, I think there's a lot more to be discovered about Renard.
For instance, he's a bastard of the Royal family, and he's half hexenbiest, but he's also, of all professions, a police officer. And not just any police officer, he's a prominent police captain, who is to all human appearances a respected leader and good cop. We know for a fact that being a cop has affected Nick's actions as a Grimm. How might it have affected Renard?
To put it concisely, we just don't know that much.
Serenity Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:17 PM
Juliette just needs to go. I have never really liked her and her character is increasingly becoming worse. She was a bit of a jerk to Nick on this episode and he has done nothing but try to help her and deal with her issues.
silentone
November 17th, 2012 12:02 PM
ugh.... the 'continuous' plot of this series moves on at such a slow pace. I guess thats part of why I keep watching - I keep waiting on the part of this season where they resolve the 'spell' or whatever on Renard and Juliette. Now I kind of have stopped caring about it, although I am a little aggravated that I have to wait until sometime next year now for another episode. must be a well written show if it drives me this nuts and I come back for more.
Simone
November 17th, 2012 11:44 AM
@Dreamrose
Somehow I don't think that spin you are trying on Renard's behalf is going to work on Nick any more than it works on me. The only reason that Renard was not successful in killing Marie is because Monroe agreed to protect her at the hospital. All Renard's actions show that he wants power and is trying to control Nick to get that power. By the end of the series, Nick and his allies will be taking out Renard and his family.
kzte
November 17th, 2012 10:34 AM
My favorite part of this show...the sorry at the end of the to be continued...It won't take long for Nick to figure out Renard but I wonder how long it will take Renard to try and explain himself (I will guess everyone can get past to attempt to kill Marie thing as Kelly has already laid the groundwork that the two sisters had different philosophies and if Renard's plan is more than selfishly motivated). I did keep wondering why Monroe didn't ever mention why Renard had been in the shop in the first place (if only to cut down Nick's anger at Juliette). adalind is so fun...I like that at least for now she is only human to Nick so he really can't do anything to her (and who thinks it will be real fun when Kelly comes back to accept responsibity for her mother's murder.
Dreamrose Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 10:23 AM
@Simone - And yet, Adalind actually failed to kill Aunt Marie. Renard had to know that Nick would be in that hospital room when Adalind made her attempt; he did make sure to tell Nick that he was removing the posted officers. Adalind, at least then, was young, foolish, and completely infatuated with Renard. In other words, a total tool. And this was the person he sent to kill a Grimm?
The reason Renard gave for killing Aunt Marie was plausible, but just barely. How much Grimm lore could she possibly give Nick in her current condition? She wasn't going to get better at this point. Remember, they didn't know about the trailer then. It would have been infinitely easier and less conspicuous to simply let her die. So, why try to kill her? Maybe the Royals were pressuring him in some fashion, and he had to make it look good.
Simone
November 17th, 2012 10:04 AM
@DreamRose
What spin? Renard is a bad guy who tried to kill Marie. I suspect that Nick will be forced to form a reluctant alliance with him against the rest of Renard's family. However, eventually Nick will kill him.
Dreamrose Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 9:27 AM
Renard is in a very, very precarious position, and he has some serious choices to make. As soon as he discovered that Monroe recognizes Juliette and that Monroe was a friend of Nick, he had to know that it wouldn't be long before Nick realized that Renard was involved in the Wesen world. And how long after that would it be before Renard's identity as a Royal became known? In any case, it is in Renard's best interests to get in front of this now and control the narrative in his favor, rather than allowing Adalind to control it. A little spin goes a long way, and Renard needs to make sure Nick hears his version of events before Adalind says anything else.
Simone
November 17th, 2012 7:38 AM
If Nick had not found out about Renard, I was going up to give up on the show so I was glad when he did. It won't take much for Nick to figure out that Renard was the royal. Nick will quickly remember that Renard was the one who pull the protective detail from Marie's sickbed and then the dominoes will fall into place.
I love the fight scenes we need more of those. I cracked up when Monroe asked Nick if he wanted to arrest them "or what" and Nick said "or what." I love Monroe. He is such a good friend. I wish Hank had more to do this episode, but Nick is going to need when he takes on Renard.
I use to like her, but I am done with Juliette. She is simply annoying now. I could not believe how she was confiding in Adalind and acting like she was such a good friend when she only met Adalind twice before. Nick needs to kick Juliette out of his house.
Nick: I wanted to tell you I just didn't know how.
November 19th, 2012 12:21 PM
Sick of the Raynard/Juliette story as well. Really nothing more to add.
November 19th, 2012 4:37 AM
Two things I should've added -- I've lived in Portland for 25 of my 48 years. I love the mystique, the reality of "Keep Portland Weird" that us natives are so proud of. There's something about living in a place that can be cloudy/raining for 120 days in a row that not everyone can tolerate, webbed feet or otherwise. The other thing was the look of murderous rage on Nick's face at the end when Monroe came clean about the identity the man Juliette is having feelings for. Yowza -- I can't wait for that confrontation.
Rank: Regular Character
November 18th, 2012 1:17 PM
@Rachel - I've been wondering that since day one!!! Only one bedroom in that massive house?!? LOL!!
@luv4whedon - You raise a good point, and up until this episode I was on board with the dramatic irony, and I totally understood her confusion. She can't help what's happening with Renard or with Nick. I would argue though that by this point, the character had enough little pieces of information to make better decisions, especially with Adalind. I'm not mad that she's an emotional wreck, I'm annoyed because she's doing legitimately stupid things.
@SirenusvexTheMouse - Totally agree - if that storyline had been a bit shorter and a little more intense, it would have been more bearable.
Rank: New User
November 18th, 2012 11:17 AM
Not a bad episode but for me it's not a cliffhanger. I find the Juilette character tedious at best and the ''love triangle' scenario is just boring. The storyline could have been darker and more intense but when you have little interest in one-of the main players that much needed intensity is diminished - more so when your hoping said character will be written out before the credits roll.
November 18th, 2012 9:38 AM
Juliete's character is so stupid PLEASE get rid of her
November 18th, 2012 7:05 AM
-- transform, that was so yummy, I can't wait for him and Juliette to finally give and let the clothes ripping begin again.
November 18th, 2012 7:04 AM
It seemed like three or four weeks in, Juliette was starting to figure some of this stuff out on her own, especially after Bud told her outright that Nick was a Grimm. She might not know what a Grimm was, but she was remembering things and not seeing them through the lens of her love for Nick. Heck, even last year's proposal, she said no because she knew he was hiding things from her. So having her confide in Adalind was a complete WTF moment for me. It just didn't follow/fit, whatever. But now to be contrary, I am enjoying the Renard/Juliette obsession story line. We never got to see him with Adalind, even though it was clear she was in love with him. He rejected her advances. Then he rejected her mother's advances as well. He's too good for the hexenbiest, even though we find out he is one. Aside from the fact that Sasha Roiz is finger-licking scrumptious -- no, never mind, not aside from the fact. The episode where he drank the potion and had to take his shirt off to tran
November 18th, 2012 6:57 AM
I can't believe such a big house has only ONE bedroom and Nick has to sleep on the couch... Where did Aunt Marie sleep when she was there?
Rank: Extra
November 17th, 2012 8:23 PM
I am with everyone who is frustrated with Juliette but unfortunately that is the role she has to play and she's a victim of dramatic irony. The audience knows that Nick's actions are legitimate and justified and the audience knows that she is under a spell but she doesn't know. To her Nick is a stranger whom she is supposed to love and she's trying to piece together what her life was like before the freak coma. I understand why she's overly open with Monroe and Adalind; she actually remembers these people and maybe in a way hopes they can shed light on her confusing life. I am super annoyed with her too but I'm trying to see things from her point of view: she wakes up from a coma to find out she has a stranger, whose life is strange and secretive, living in her house. She finds that she does have feelings are a man whom she DOES remember and feels guilty.
Her storyline and the audience's frustrations with her character (and most female characters for that matter) are not uncommon. I
Rank: Regular Character
November 17th, 2012 8:06 PM
I agree with the review. Grimm has a major problem with plot arcs.
November 17th, 2012 6:14 PM
speaking of kicking Juliette to the curb does anyone know who's house it is, i think nick moved in with Juliette but im not sure.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:20 PM
Finally, upon watching Adalind like her lips and fully SAVOR the havoc she is wreaking among her enemies, I just had to sigh, unhappily, at the contrast with Juliette. What a thankless role! The character is a DOWNER! She has not been permitted to be happy, funny, intelligent, lustful, or the slightest bit understanding of Nick and his profession. I swear...the best that can be said based on what I've seen is that she has a lovely home and sounds lovely when speaking Spanish. She's obsessed with a gorgeous guy who is equally obsessed with her. God forbid she actually be shown as ENJOYING it! Frankly, if I didn't have an emotional connection to a guy staying at my house and Renard had kissed me on the front doorstep, I'd have hauled him over that threshold and not let him out for the rest of the night!
Maybe the show in general needs to have a better sense of humor. Adalind is laughing all the way to the bank, and she lights up the screen whenever she is on.
Rank: Extra
November 17th, 2012 4:18 PM
What an awesome episode!! i've wanted Juliette gone since the first season, but now i'm demanding it b/c i can deal with a girlfriend who doesn't know, but not an obnoxious moron without common sense..
as for Renard, I've always liked him since the beginning...I know what the series is leading you to believe, but i just do NOT believe he's a bad guy, even though all the proof is right there... maybe he was bad in the beginning, but it just seems to me when he talking with Nick, he just seems to genuinely care...maybe not at first, but i really think it'll come out he's on team Grimm, if not all along, then he is now...don't know why but i'm just so sure of it..
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 4:01 PM
@Simone - This series is helmed by a guy who produced BUFFY, ANGEL and PROFIT. *Nothing* is as simple as "good" or "bad", black or white. Renard's action of ordering Marie killed may have been "bad" in your eyes. But, what if Renard is trying to prevent his family, the Royals, from collecting all 7 keys in order to rule the world? Just a what if...sometimes the devil you know is preferable to the devil you don't.
I don't know if you watched any of those shows. But, all it takes is one really Big Bad for the local baddie (Renard) to become a trusted ally. I'm reminded of how Spike started on BUFFY. Also, Faith, Buffy's nemesis- turned-Angel-ally-turned-fellow-Buffy-compatriot-again over the run of both shows.
Rank: Recurring Character
November 17th, 2012 3:37 PM
I LOVED this episode! What happened to Claire Coffey? She's much better as a human beyotch than she ever was as a Hexenbiest. She seemed rather timid around her mom & Renard in the first season. But, now...I guess being "all in" with the Royals boosted her self-confidence.
It sets up a very interesting premise for Nick, too. While his mission as a Grimm is to keep Wesen under control, he does not hesitate in killing them. But, a human is different, and it's fascinating watching him walk that tightrope. He would be guilty of premeditated murder if he just slit Adalind's throat, and I don't believe Monroe or Hank would support him if she wasn't threatening someone he cared for. Adalind reminds me of Tweety Bird in her jail cell. She taunts everyone, secure in the fact that they can't touch her while under police custody. Renard, Nick & Co. are the cats that want to pounce the minute she is released.
Rank: Regular Character
November 17th, 2012 2:54 PM
Great review! I loved how the episode started with Hank getting put out of commission, leaving Nick to rely on Monroe, and man, was Monroe ever awesome. While I don't get how people halfway across the world know that Monroe is Nick's wesen ally (and try to kill him), but people in Portland don't, it's fun to watch. Adalind is a FANTASTIC villain, even better than she was in the first season.
Juliette. I hate when people (especially women) are portrayed as clueless, hapless, confused, making dumb choices when there's evidence to the contrary - and Juliette is all of the above. A few episodes, fine - but half the season? Come on. She goes into a coma after Adalind's cat scratched her, EVERYONE has alluded to that having something to do with it, and she pours her life out to this person over coffee?
Renard. I can't wait to see how this is gonna work. For one, he did try to get Marie killed and has been messing with Juliette, but he has sheltered Nick (for whatever agenda). This
Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:49 PM
@Simone - It may well turn out as you suggest, that Nick will eventually have to kill Renard and the other Royals. Unfortunately, many of Renard's actions thus far are being colored by our frankly limited view of his relationships with other characters, such as Adalind and his family. Personally, I think there's a lot more to be discovered about Renard.
For instance, he's a bastard of the Royal family, and he's half hexenbiest, but he's also, of all professions, a police officer. And not just any police officer, he's a prominent police captain, who is to all human appearances a respected leader and good cop. We know for a fact that being a cop has affected Nick's actions as a Grimm. How might it have affected Renard?
To put it concisely, we just don't know that much.
Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 12:17 PM
Juliette just needs to go. I have never really liked her and her character is increasingly becoming worse. She was a bit of a jerk to Nick on this episode and he has done nothing but try to help her and deal with her issues.
November 17th, 2012 12:02 PM
ugh.... the 'continuous' plot of this series moves on at such a slow pace. I guess thats part of why I keep watching - I keep waiting on the part of this season where they resolve the 'spell' or whatever on Renard and Juliette. Now I kind of have stopped caring about it, although I am a little aggravated that I have to wait until sometime next year now for another episode. must be a well written show if it drives me this nuts and I come back for more.
November 17th, 2012 11:44 AM
@Dreamrose
Somehow I don't think that spin you are trying on Renard's behalf is going to work on Nick any more than it works on me. The only reason that Renard was not successful in killing Marie is because Monroe agreed to protect her at the hospital. All Renard's actions show that he wants power and is trying to control Nick to get that power. By the end of the series, Nick and his allies will be taking out Renard and his family.
November 17th, 2012 10:34 AM
My favorite part of this show...the sorry at the end of the to be continued...It won't take long for Nick to figure out Renard but I wonder how long it will take Renard to try and explain himself (I will guess everyone can get past to attempt to kill Marie thing as Kelly has already laid the groundwork that the two sisters had different philosophies and if Renard's plan is more than selfishly motivated). I did keep wondering why Monroe didn't ever mention why Renard had been in the shop in the first place (if only to cut down Nick's anger at Juliette). adalind is so fun...I like that at least for now she is only human to Nick so he really can't do anything to her (and who thinks it will be real fun when Kelly comes back to accept responsibity for her mother's murder.
Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 10:23 AM
@Simone - And yet, Adalind actually failed to kill Aunt Marie. Renard had to know that Nick would be in that hospital room when Adalind made her attempt; he did make sure to tell Nick that he was removing the posted officers. Adalind, at least then, was young, foolish, and completely infatuated with Renard. In other words, a total tool. And this was the person he sent to kill a Grimm?
The reason Renard gave for killing Aunt Marie was plausible, but just barely. How much Grimm lore could she possibly give Nick in her current condition? She wasn't going to get better at this point. Remember, they didn't know about the trailer then. It would have been infinitely easier and less conspicuous to simply let her die. So, why try to kill her? Maybe the Royals were pressuring him in some fashion, and he had to make it look good.
November 17th, 2012 10:04 AM
@DreamRose
What spin? Renard is a bad guy who tried to kill Marie. I suspect that Nick will be forced to form a reluctant alliance with him against the rest of Renard's family. However, eventually Nick will kill him.
Rank: Guest Star
November 17th, 2012 9:27 AM
Renard is in a very, very precarious position, and he has some serious choices to make. As soon as he discovered that Monroe recognizes Juliette and that Monroe was a friend of Nick, he had to know that it wouldn't be long before Nick realized that Renard was involved in the Wesen world. And how long after that would it be before Renard's identity as a Royal became known? In any case, it is in Renard's best interests to get in front of this now and control the narrative in his favor, rather than allowing Adalind to control it. A little spin goes a long way, and Renard needs to make sure Nick hears his version of events before Adalind says anything else.
November 17th, 2012 7:38 AM
If Nick had not found out about Renard, I was going up to give up on the show so I was glad when he did. It won't take much for Nick to figure out that Renard was the royal. Nick will quickly remember that Renard was the one who pull the protective detail from Marie's sickbed and then the dominoes will fall into place.
I love the fight scenes we need more of those. I cracked up when Monroe asked Nick if he wanted to arrest them "or what" and Nick said "or what." I love Monroe. He is such a good friend. I wish Hank had more to do this episode, but Nick is going to need when he takes on Renard.
I use to like her, but I am done with Juliette. She is simply annoying now. I could not believe how she was confiding in Adalind and acting like she was such a good friend when she only met Adalind twice before. Nick needs to kick Juliette out of his house.