Hawaii Five-0 Review: Cat and Mouse Comments (Page 2)
74 Comments
Zia Rank: Regular Character
November 30th, 2012 8:33 AM
Hi Jim, You make some good points about McG being transported to a scene or Kono being a robot. That would not be true to the show, and would probably get a different crowd watching and would not last long.
My complaint is that every single episode someone, not just you, but someone points out some probability with reality. Its done on all the shows, but they seem to be pointed out on H50 more then any other show and yet its not any more than another other show. Some of what is pointed out, actually could happen. I can only speak for myself, but I don't just sit there and say its only a TV show so its fine. If I am entertained, why would I care so much that it probably would not happen in real life.
Ellie
November 30th, 2012 5:34 AM
Love this episode. Great to see Steve back in character instead of the wuss he's portrayed when he's around Danny. cath is great but I wish she'd tell Steve enough with the favours, but this is probably due to the bromance. Steve can't have a proper relationship as it would upset the McDanno fans. Still the usual complaints about any new characters. I think the audience are quite happy with the change of pace and the new characters, thus the increase in ratings. Plots and writing has improved a lot over the last few episodes. I hope this keeps up.
All the sentimental types out there need to lighten up on Doris. She's a former CIA assassin, not a cookie baker. So of course she shocks the bad guy to find out if he knows who else out there may be trying to kill her. Steve would do the same thing if nobody was watching. That's what makes her an interesting character, instead of some sap who spends all day making dinner and folding Steve's laundry. I think she's an intriguing addition to the show.
Metome
November 29th, 2012 6:59 PM
I have never watched Hawaii Five-O but I am a huge fan of Vanessa Marcil. She was fantastic and I loved her sexy, smart and badass Olivia!!
guest
November 29th, 2012 4:24 PM
yes i believe steve did introduce cath to his mom as an intelligence officer, but jim is also right...in her initial appearances on the show she was a communications offer working on an aircraft carrier. that's one of my only complaints about this show - they definitely play it loose with the character continuity in order to make their story lines work.
and even though they have now decided she is an intel officer, they have also established that she is on leave (hence why she is always around!), so how does she still have instant access to all of her resources, weapons, gadgets, etc...? highly doubtful that someone on leave could just have someone put on a no-fly list without any other information. wouldn't that need to come from higher up?? steve could've just called his contacts at the FBI or DOD to handle that. i know, i know...it's just tv, but i do think the writing could be tighter.
Mike
November 29th, 2012 3:43 PM
It would've been better had Kono and Olivia "interacted". The cat fight coming from that little run in could have made television history...
Jim Garner Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 1:51 PM
Thanks jschoi, I will go back and check that out... I'm a little more willing to allow for weapons and weird work hours if they are playing her up more as Intel..
jschoi
November 29th, 2012 10:15 AM
In ep 1 this season Steve introduced Catherine to Doris as a Navel Intelligence Officer.
Jeanie
November 29th, 2012 9:07 AM
I am trying to figure out what handbag vanessa marcil was carrying on hawaii five o it was stunning any info?? Please let me know I appreciate it she was great!! I thought Steve was attracted to her at first!!
walter Rank: Guest Star
November 29th, 2012 9:00 AM
Absolutely agree with Jim. Each TV show has its own norms or little universe where the norms of science, law, medicine,etc may differ a little or a lot from the real world. So maybe in H50 land there is Q Branch at Pearl Harbor which hands out James Bondian toys to naval officers. The key is for people to realize that just because you see it on TV doesn't make it real.
Jim Garner Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 2:57 AM
As for Catherine being an Intelligence Officer, if you go back and watch the pilot, Steve calls her on the ship where she is a communications officer to ask her to pull up a satellite image.
None of the Intelligence Officers I knew in the USAF had access to satellites but Comm Officers did. :)
Jim Garner Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 2:55 AM
I want to chime in on the "it's only a TV Show" or "Reality Police" comments.
The bottom line is that Hawaii Five-O like ALL shows sets parameters for it's story telling and when it drifts outside of those it break the 4th wall and takes me out of the story.
My disappointments with any part of an episode (or any show) takes into account what the show has set as "normal".
I'm pretty sure we would all scream foul if McG started carrying a phaser and teleporting to crime scenes or Kono announced that she really is a cybornetic robot made to look like the species that created her race.
So, if you are watching an episode and have to think "It's only a TV Show" then the story teller is doing something wrong and part of reviewing a show it noting those.
Allie
November 29th, 2012 1:51 AM
Enjoyed the "Book her, Danno" and the smirk on Steve's face for being right about Olivia. Did not expect that she was a madam but the cat and mouse game was entertaining. However, the sub story with Channing, Cath and Doris left me with mixed feelings. Doris torturing Mangosta with electric shocks was surprising, I would have expected her to hang him over the side of a tall building to make him talk. Asking Cath to keep a secret from Steve does not bode well for the future. Overall, I was still entertained and intrigued with where the Doris and Cath storyline is headed.
walter Rank: Guest Star
November 28th, 2012 8:56 PM
I confess. I'm a member of the "reality police" that people complain about. Yes I know its just a TV show. With only 46-48 minutes to tell a story time compression is a necessity.It takes weeks or months in real life to get phone records, bank records,lab reports, etc that H50 gets in minutes with their magic table top computer. Notice this week they ID'd the victim in minutes with "facial recognition software" even though his face resembled a charcoal briquet. The problem is too many people think this is real because it's on TV or a movie. Our court system is having problems because jurors are expecting "CSI" type evidence {i.e. the Casey Anthony case).
Serenity Rank: Guest Star
November 28th, 2012 7:27 PM
This episode was good but I agree the whole Catherine/Channing part made no sense at all. I feel like they're just trying to make Catherine a part of the show, whether it makes sense or not. What exactly is her job that she carries a gun while not working and can put people on a no fly list? In season 1 we mostly saw her aboard a ship in uniform. Now she's running around with safe cracking devices?
jennymac Rank: New User
November 28th, 2012 5:05 PM
I'd rank this one as fair to middling, simply because O'Loughlin was on fire in this ep. It's too bad they couldn't find anyone compatible to play his counterpart and had to settle for Vanessa Marcil, as her acting was as dry and lifeless as her hair. I found Catherine and Agent Channing much more enjoyable in their efforts than poor Steve matching wits with a witless shrink. That scene in the restaurant? So very over-acted.
BTW...the term is "court-martialed", not "court marshaled". Apparently there are no spell checkers at tvfanatic.com
Tony D
November 28th, 2012 11:22 AM
continued: Jump the shark mentality. Everyone thinks that any average character or poor plot is a sign a show has seen its best days. If a show lasts five seasons, that's roughly 115 episodes. Chances are, there will be a few stinkers in there somewhere. What you have to hope for as a fan is for the show to produce three or four really good nuggets each season that moves the underlying theme (in this case the mystery of Mcgarrett) along. In between, all you're really entitled to as a fan is to be entertained more often than not. If you are, it's a great show. If you're not, you'll stop watching and/or the show will be canceled.
Tony D
November 28th, 2012 10:21 AM
Hawaii Five 0 is actually the only original, episodic television show I watch these days, and that's refreshing. I have so many DVDs of a lot of old shows that I watch (including the original HFO), but it's nice to anticipate a new show each and every week.
Regardless of secondary characters and sub-plots, I love the essence of HFO, and a lot of people who watch this show seem to forget the true theme of the show: It's an action/drama with a little humor mixed in, and it's an escape from reality. Are some of the plots surreal? Of course. But then again, Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris/Jackie Chan have been in movies where they took out 12 guys, one at a time. People still love them.
Like I said many times, had the Internet existed back in the 70's and 80's, some of the greatest shows of all time would have been ripped apart on message boards such as this. The problem with television today is there is way too much scrutiny with every little aspect of a show. I blame the "Jump the shark" m
People need to stop over analyzing every little aspect of the show and the writing. Yes some things such as the restraining order may be improbable but no one cares, as long as people are entertained. Sure, there is a point where it can be so stupid that its hard to watch, but I don't think H50 ever crosses that line. Stop complaining about Doris and Catherine too, you may think their characters aren't written well or whatever, but then you have to think of what the show would be like if they didn't change things up and try out new stories. The show would not develop and it would just go straight downhill. Chill out everyone.
ke
November 28th, 2012 3:25 AM
I love Cath and at least she has skills unlike Danny who is usless in every episode. It would be nice to see him actually back up Steve rather than constantly mock his instincts. Great to see the hard nosed Steve back in action. I liked that they wove in 2 stories and enjoyed both. It seems that the audience are returning as well which reflects the much better plots and better writing. I hope they keep it up.
alisa
November 28th, 2012 1:12 AM
let's try this AGAIN, shall wee:
VM played the same way on "WITHOUT A TRACE", and martin got caught up in her web....steve SHOULD have known that he was being SET UP by the shrink, when she invited him to coffee....considering she had a RESTRAIGHENING order against him....for an ex-SEAL not to see that, makes me question just how good of a SEAL he was.....and PLEASE, DON'T BRING "VM" BACK.
alisa
alisa
November 28th, 2012 1:08 AM
i'm getting SICK of mama McGarrett and Catherine.....2nd: i CAN'T look at VM without seeing BRENDA BARRETT from GH.....when she guested on "
This was "Women's night" on H-50! The ladies, and I use that term loosely, put on quite a performance. Vanessa Marcil was a delicious villain, and it was such fun to see Steve worked up enough to show some frustration and anger this week! For those who say Alex is a one-dimensional actor, he's shown some fantastic emotion the last few episodes. Catherine has definitely fallen into Doris' clutches - she is heading down a lonely road by agreeing to hide Mom's sinister side from Steve. Doris is bound to hurt Steve again, and the knowledge that Catherine knew about her shenanigans and kept it from him, for his "protection" is going to give Steve MORE trust issues! Pretty soon the only people left on the face of the earth for Steve to trust will be Danny, Chin and Kono! Crazy CIA Doris is way more interesting that weepy Mommy McG! I'm a lot more interested in her story line now than I have been since finding out Mom was Shelburne. I give this ep. a solid 4 to 4.5 for the women!
Tony D
November 27th, 2012 10:22 PM
For my money, not the most exciting and entertaining HFO of the season, but it's nice to see that it garnered some pretty decent ratings and a nice response from the fans on here.
I did like how they portrayed McGarrett as refusing to back down in the face of everyone telling him he had no proof about the doctor. It was sort of an ode to Jack Lord's McGarrett where he often went after the "bad guy" without any real proof because he knew in his gut the person was guilty.
I did sort of find it funny when the doctor, a person of interest in a murder investigation, was able to get a restraining order against the lead investigator, not to mention the most powerful police figure in the entire state. However, like someone else said, I don't watch shows like this for reality. I watch to be entertained and more often than not HFO comes through.
sallyjo
November 27th, 2012 7:12 PM
I found it interesting that Mom McG was torturing this guy in the same fashion that Wo Fat tortured Steve last season. Did Wo Fat learn this from "Mom McG"; did anyone tell Mom McG of Wo Fat torturing her son like this; would she have done this had she known?
Danny Williams: Sinead O'Connor called, she wants her hairstyle back.
Rank: Regular Character
November 30th, 2012 8:33 AM
Hi Jim, You make some good points about McG being transported to a scene or Kono being a robot. That would not be true to the show, and would probably get a different crowd watching and would not last long.
My complaint is that every single episode someone, not just you, but someone points out some probability with reality. Its done on all the shows, but they seem to be pointed out on H50 more then any other show and yet its not any more than another other show. Some of what is pointed out, actually could happen. I can only speak for myself, but I don't just sit there and say its only a TV show so its fine. If I am entertained, why would I care so much that it probably would not happen in real life.
November 30th, 2012 5:34 AM
Love this episode. Great to see Steve back in character instead of the wuss he's portrayed when he's around Danny. cath is great but I wish she'd tell Steve enough with the favours, but this is probably due to the bromance. Steve can't have a proper relationship as it would upset the McDanno fans. Still the usual complaints about any new characters. I think the audience are quite happy with the change of pace and the new characters, thus the increase in ratings. Plots and writing has improved a lot over the last few episodes. I hope this keeps up.
Rank: New User
November 29th, 2012 9:27 PM
All the sentimental types out there need to lighten up on Doris. She's a former CIA assassin, not a cookie baker. So of course she shocks the bad guy to find out if he knows who else out there may be trying to kill her. Steve would do the same thing if nobody was watching. That's what makes her an interesting character, instead of some sap who spends all day making dinner and folding Steve's laundry. I think she's an intriguing addition to the show.
November 29th, 2012 6:59 PM
I have never watched Hawaii Five-O but I am a huge fan of Vanessa Marcil. She was fantastic and I loved her sexy, smart and badass Olivia!!
November 29th, 2012 4:24 PM
yes i believe steve did introduce cath to his mom as an intelligence officer, but jim is also right...in her initial appearances on the show she was a communications offer working on an aircraft carrier. that's one of my only complaints about this show - they definitely play it loose with the character continuity in order to make their story lines work.
and even though they have now decided she is an intel officer, they have also established that she is on leave (hence why she is always around!), so how does she still have instant access to all of her resources, weapons, gadgets, etc...? highly doubtful that someone on leave could just have someone put on a no-fly list without any other information. wouldn't that need to come from higher up?? steve could've just called his contacts at the FBI or DOD to handle that. i know, i know...it's just tv, but i do think the writing could be tighter.
November 29th, 2012 3:43 PM
It would've been better had Kono and Olivia "interacted". The cat fight coming from that little run in could have made television history...
Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 1:51 PM
Thanks jschoi, I will go back and check that out... I'm a little more willing to allow for weapons and weird work hours if they are playing her up more as Intel..
November 29th, 2012 10:15 AM
In ep 1 this season Steve introduced Catherine to Doris as a Navel Intelligence Officer.
November 29th, 2012 9:07 AM
I am trying to figure out what handbag vanessa marcil was carrying on hawaii five o it was stunning any info?? Please let me know I appreciate it she was great!! I thought Steve was attracted to her at first!!
Rank: Guest Star
November 29th, 2012 9:00 AM
Absolutely agree with Jim. Each TV show has its own norms or little universe where the norms of science, law, medicine,etc may differ a little or a lot from the real world. So maybe in H50 land there is Q Branch at Pearl Harbor which hands out James Bondian toys to naval officers. The key is for people to realize that just because you see it on TV doesn't make it real.
Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 2:57 AM
As for Catherine being an Intelligence Officer, if you go back and watch the pilot, Steve calls her on the ship where she is a communications officer to ask her to pull up a satellite image.
None of the Intelligence Officers I knew in the USAF had access to satellites but Comm Officers did. :)
Rank: Staff Member
November 29th, 2012 2:55 AM
I want to chime in on the "it's only a TV Show" or "Reality Police" comments.
The bottom line is that Hawaii Five-O like ALL shows sets parameters for it's story telling and when it drifts outside of those it break the 4th wall and takes me out of the story.
My disappointments with any part of an episode (or any show) takes into account what the show has set as "normal".
I'm pretty sure we would all scream foul if McG started carrying a phaser and teleporting to crime scenes or Kono announced that she really is a cybornetic robot made to look like the species that created her race.
So, if you are watching an episode and have to think "It's only a TV Show" then the story teller is doing something wrong and part of reviewing a show it noting those.
November 29th, 2012 1:51 AM
Enjoyed the "Book her, Danno" and the smirk on Steve's face for being right about Olivia. Did not expect that she was a madam but the cat and mouse game was entertaining. However, the sub story with Channing, Cath and Doris left me with mixed feelings. Doris torturing Mangosta with electric shocks was surprising, I would have expected her to hang him over the side of a tall building to make him talk. Asking Cath to keep a secret from Steve does not bode well for the future. Overall, I was still entertained and intrigued with where the Doris and Cath storyline is headed.
Rank: Guest Star
November 28th, 2012 8:56 PM
I confess. I'm a member of the "reality police" that people complain about. Yes I know its just a TV show. With only 46-48 minutes to tell a story time compression is a necessity.It takes weeks or months in real life to get phone records, bank records,lab reports, etc that H50 gets in minutes with their magic table top computer. Notice this week they ID'd the victim in minutes with "facial recognition software" even though his face resembled a charcoal briquet. The problem is too many people think this is real because it's on TV or a movie. Our court system is having problems because jurors are expecting "CSI" type evidence {i.e. the Casey Anthony case).
Rank: Guest Star
November 28th, 2012 7:27 PM
This episode was good but I agree the whole Catherine/Channing part made no sense at all. I feel like they're just trying to make Catherine a part of the show, whether it makes sense or not. What exactly is her job that she carries a gun while not working and can put people on a no fly list? In season 1 we mostly saw her aboard a ship in uniform. Now she's running around with safe cracking devices?
Rank: New User
November 28th, 2012 5:05 PM
I'd rank this one as fair to middling, simply because O'Loughlin was on fire in this ep. It's too bad they couldn't find anyone compatible to play his counterpart and had to settle for Vanessa Marcil, as her acting was as dry and lifeless as her hair. I found Catherine and Agent Channing much more enjoyable in their efforts than poor Steve matching wits with a witless shrink. That scene in the restaurant? So very over-acted.
BTW...the term is "court-martialed", not "court marshaled". Apparently there are no spell checkers at tvfanatic.com
November 28th, 2012 11:22 AM
continued: Jump the shark mentality. Everyone thinks that any average character or poor plot is a sign a show has seen its best days. If a show lasts five seasons, that's roughly 115 episodes. Chances are, there will be a few stinkers in there somewhere. What you have to hope for as a fan is for the show to produce three or four really good nuggets each season that moves the underlying theme (in this case the mystery of Mcgarrett) along. In between, all you're really entitled to as a fan is to be entertained more often than not. If you are, it's a great show. If you're not, you'll stop watching and/or the show will be canceled.
November 28th, 2012 10:21 AM
Hawaii Five 0 is actually the only original, episodic television show I watch these days, and that's refreshing. I have so many DVDs of a lot of old shows that I watch (including the original HFO), but it's nice to anticipate a new show each and every week.
Regardless of secondary characters and sub-plots, I love the essence of HFO, and a lot of people who watch this show seem to forget the true theme of the show: It's an action/drama with a little humor mixed in, and it's an escape from reality. Are some of the plots surreal? Of course. But then again, Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris/Jackie Chan have been in movies where they took out 12 guys, one at a time. People still love them.
Like I said many times, had the Internet existed back in the 70's and 80's, some of the greatest shows of all time would have been ripped apart on message boards such as this. The problem with television today is there is way too much scrutiny with every little aspect of a show. I blame the "Jump the shark" m
Rank: Extra
November 28th, 2012 7:20 AM
People need to stop over analyzing every little aspect of the show and the writing. Yes some things such as the restraining order may be improbable but no one cares, as long as people are entertained. Sure, there is a point where it can be so stupid that its hard to watch, but I don't think H50 ever crosses that line. Stop complaining about Doris and Catherine too, you may think their characters aren't written well or whatever, but then you have to think of what the show would be like if they didn't change things up and try out new stories. The show would not develop and it would just go straight downhill. Chill out everyone.
November 28th, 2012 3:25 AM
I love Cath and at least she has skills unlike Danny who is usless in every episode. It would be nice to see him actually back up Steve rather than constantly mock his instincts. Great to see the hard nosed Steve back in action. I liked that they wove in 2 stories and enjoyed both. It seems that the audience are returning as well which reflects the much better plots and better writing. I hope they keep it up.
November 28th, 2012 1:12 AM
let's try this AGAIN, shall wee:
VM played the same way on "WITHOUT A TRACE", and martin got caught up in her web....steve SHOULD have known that he was being SET UP by the shrink, when she invited him to coffee....considering she had a RESTRAIGHENING order against him....for an ex-SEAL not to see that, makes me question just how good of a SEAL he was.....and PLEASE, DON'T BRING "VM" BACK.
alisa
November 28th, 2012 1:08 AM
i'm getting SICK of mama McGarrett and Catherine.....2nd: i CAN'T look at VM without seeing BRENDA BARRETT from GH.....when she guested on "
Rank: Extra
November 27th, 2012 11:59 PM
This was "Women's night" on H-50! The ladies, and I use that term loosely, put on quite a performance. Vanessa Marcil was a delicious villain, and it was such fun to see Steve worked up enough to show some frustration and anger this week! For those who say Alex is a one-dimensional actor, he's shown some fantastic emotion the last few episodes. Catherine has definitely fallen into Doris' clutches - she is heading down a lonely road by agreeing to hide Mom's sinister side from Steve. Doris is bound to hurt Steve again, and the knowledge that Catherine knew about her shenanigans and kept it from him, for his "protection" is going to give Steve MORE trust issues! Pretty soon the only people left on the face of the earth for Steve to trust will be Danny, Chin and Kono! Crazy CIA Doris is way more interesting that weepy Mommy McG! I'm a lot more interested in her story line now than I have been since finding out Mom was Shelburne. I give this ep. a solid 4 to 4.5 for the women!
November 27th, 2012 10:22 PM
For my money, not the most exciting and entertaining HFO of the season, but it's nice to see that it garnered some pretty decent ratings and a nice response from the fans on here.
I did like how they portrayed McGarrett as refusing to back down in the face of everyone telling him he had no proof about the doctor. It was sort of an ode to Jack Lord's McGarrett where he often went after the "bad guy" without any real proof because he knew in his gut the person was guilty.
I did sort of find it funny when the doctor, a person of interest in a murder investigation, was able to get a restraining order against the lead investigator, not to mention the most powerful police figure in the entire state. However, like someone else said, I don't watch shows like this for reality. I watch to be entertained and more often than not HFO comes through.
November 27th, 2012 7:12 PM
I found it interesting that Mom McG was torturing this guy in the same fashion that Wo Fat tortured Steve last season. Did Wo Fat learn this from "Mom McG"; did anyone tell Mom McG of Wo Fat torturing her son like this; would she have done this had she known?