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I don't get the Olivia hate either. Probably because I have always seen Olivia for who she is rather buying into the show's claim that she is a "white hat." Olivia is NOT a "white hat." She is mearly the best of the bad lot in her political circle, but that is not saying much. While she has acted to save Abby and David's lives, the fact is that she has never tried the most obvious solution to everyone's problems which is "tell the truth! Go to the authorities! Don't clean up crime scenes or cover for criminals!" When all is said and done, the motivation for almost all of Olivia's actions is protecting Fitz. She may care about her associates, clients, etc., but Fitz comes before all of them. It is actually quite romantic and sad all at once.

@Amelia

You are right the spy story was not ridiculous, rather it was poorly acted and written. Worse of all, it was not entertaining.

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How did anyone miss Olivia's vulnerability last night? She proved to the naysayers that she does have a heart and that all of this manipulation takes a toll on her. In Olivia Pope's world, the end does justify the means in order for the fix. She's protecting Abby and David from the government and maybe at her own expense considering who Doyle is. Cyrus and Olivia will form a united front against Doyle in order to protect James, Abby and David. If Doyle makes a move after Olivia because she's protecting them, Fitz will take him out, Cyrus will clean it up and mums the word with Mellie because she'll still be first lady. Who knows, Edison may turn out to be the sacrificial lamb (meaning, taken out to scare her) to show Olivia that shes in the ring with the big boy (Doyle) because we all know that they won't last.

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CONTD

Doyle is on to James for writing an exposé on him. David is obsessed with Cyrton/Doyle story and will be following up with James on his story about Doyle. This is a disaster that will unfortunately end up with a dead body.

Kudos to Huck for wanting to be normal. Hopefully he will still do a background check on his girlfriend. I don’t trust her and I still think she is a plant. It wouldn’t surprise me that she was the one working with Artie since we never got to see who was driving the black sedan. Maybe it was her.

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Miranda I respectively disagree. Edison might make Olivia laugh and smile but she is not happy……you know what Cy said about happy people (democrat with a bible, grandma in a bikini LOL). Seeing the two together actually irks me. They hardly have any chemistry and are boring as all hell. No wonder they broke up before.
I still think Olivia wears the white hat. She is a Fixer and she has her job down to a T. Her professional and personal are intertwined and she doesn’t know how to separate the two. So when a personal issue (Abby/David) comes up she automatically think she has to be the Fixer. Yes we may not all like how this played out but in the long run I think breaking up David and Abby will save both their lives.
Speaking of saving lives, Charlie is back in town and he called someone (Cy) saying he is in town and is looking “to get back into business”. So someone is definitely going to die soon. My money is on James, Doyle or David.
Doyle is on to James for writing an exposé on him. David is obsessed with Cyrton/Doyle story and will be following up with James on his story about Doyle. This is a disaster that will unfortunately end up with a dead body.
Kudos to Huck for wanting to be normal. Hopefully he will still do a background check on his girlfriend. I don’t trust her and I still think she is a plant. It wouldn’t surprise me that she was the one working with Artie since we never got to see who was driving the black sedan. Maybe it was her.

Miranda-wicker

@Dana--Sure, I agree that a little transparency with David/Abby would've been an alternate route to take in getting them to stop digging. I don't like that she used Abby's past against David and that Harrison manufactured the story to break them up. However, she clearly knows enough to know that the fewer people who know about Hollis' particular brand of evil, the better, and it clearly hasn't stopped David from digging based on the closing scene. I think it'll all blow up soon enough.

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CONTD.

As for happiness, nope, still don't see why Olivia gets to make all these life-changing decisions, often to the detriment of people, and then pine over normal. She's not normal, not while she's making these decisions and doing the things she does. She's lying to Fitz, to everyone at OPA, to Edison even because he clearly doesn't just see this as some rebound when that is clearly exactly what he is. Olivia is no white hat and people are just irritated that we keep being told she is.

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C'mon! Are we going to pretend Olivia has to take the methods she does? There are alternatives. I get that she didn't necessarily have a choice with Quinn's trial and David was collateral damage but could Olivia, who believes all things can be fixed, really not have thought of some other way to get Abby and David to stop digging? I'm sorry, the end sometimes does not justify the means. Olivia can get just as ruthless and dirty as Cyrus can but at least Cyrus doesn't pretend that he's not a monster. She's gotten involved with the conspiracy, that's HER choice. If she's gotten nothing that's on her. She went into all this eyes wide open. Doesn't give her the right to meddle with other people's lives without them knowing even if she thinks it does.

As for happiness, nope, still don't see why Olivia gets to make all these life-changing decisions, often to the detriment of people, and then pine over normal. She's not normal, not while she's making these decisions and doing the things she does. She's lying to Fitz, to everyone at OPA, to Edison even because he clearly doesn't just see this as some rebound when that is clearly exactly what he is. Olivia is no white hat and people are just irritated that we keep being told she is.

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Come on ! That was one of the best episodes since the pilot. I absolutely ADORED it ... It had everything and it had me on the edge of my seat the whole time. This is just getting better and better, I can't believe it. I think it's a 5/5 episode, because it has the same tension than episode 5 or 6 of season 1. When we had the episode with the flashback to the election, time stopped, everything seemed to be in jeopardy. Tonight I felt it again. I loved it !

Miranda-wicker

As for Abby/Harrison/Quinn/Huck/people Olivia's saved, I don't think any of them should follow her blindly without sometimes questioning her and what she's doing. Was Abby wrong in her methods (going behind Olivia's back, reporting to David) yes. But sometimes, leaders need to be questioned, so I have no problem with any of them doing that.

Miranda-wicker

I'm...I don't think I'm shocked at the Olivia-hate? I can't find the right word. But Olivia might make other people miserable (breaking up Abby and David) but since she knows the inner workings of Defiance and we don't, I'm assuming that's to protect Abby AND David. And she's done all of this at the sake of her own life--see the scene with Verna last week or the week before when Verna asked what Olivia got out of all of this. She's pretty much gotten nothing, so yeah, a little happiness is okay by me and then maybe it'll trickle down. (1/2)




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