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I'm done with the show. I watched half of last night's episode and turned it off after Lorelei finished kicking Jane and he still chased after her like a puppy dog (must admit I enjoyed the beating!) Red John didn't just kill a bunch of victims, he killed the entire show. I just don't care anymore. I cared 2 years ago, but they have teased me too many times with that story arc. They have turned Jane into an extremely unlikable character. What kind of man not only sleeps with but develops feelings for a follower of his wife and child's murderer? Sure, they're trying to make Lorelei more sympathetic now, but I'm sure Red John had a terrible childhood as well. Should we all feel bad for him? Jane is a jerk and I no longer even have pity for him. Bad things happen to lots of people. Most of them don't turn into such selfish, narcissistic a**holes who treat their friends so badly. They lost a viewer, one who has watched from the beginning, permanently
Jane hopes that when Lorelei realizes that RJ killed his sister she will return to the to tell him who is RJ. There will be many people with whom Jane has collided hand, anyone can be RJ. But it seems clear that RJ is Bob Kirkland, this time they want the audience get ahead of Jane. In the previous episode he gave Jane's hand and said he knew him. And he was the man in the limousine when Jane begins working with the CBI. Lisbon also fixes her hair before going to talk to Kirkland, which means he will also play the card of Lisbon. And considering that she does not know how to choose mens, she slept with Masburn, a gangster womanizer investigated as a possible murderer, could also she sleep with he. Taking to Lisbon in his hands he will have also Jane.
All the actors were wonderful and the episode great
Could Red John be Brett Partridge -Jack Plotnick, CIA forensic who was on the plot episode. Remember the voice of red john when he said to Jane tiger, tiger, they have similar voices. But I do like the Walter idea, money, means and little twisted makes sense.
Don't understand why no one is speaking about the fact that Lorelei was in the jail again (Maybe she always was there). Seriously, don't understand anything! If FBI was behind of that, why Lisbon is not asking answers?
The episode is good but you can not simply write thinking about you don't have to explain anything. I'm angry ;(
The show "The Fugitive" needed the one-armed man, sure -- but a thought about that: it was always in the background (sometimes Kimble was closer to being caught than he knew and sometimes he got a clue to follow). With "The Mentalist," Red John is the focus of maybe 40-50% of the episodes, that he's even caught and killed him, but then found out he hadn't (but there was all kinds of RJ associates around to conceal evidence). I would watch the show as a procedural, but maybe those who say RJ being solved would end the show are correct -- Kimble stopped bumming around doing odd jobs and meeting interesting people once the one armed man was found (why would he keep doing that?).
I've been thinking they're building up Kirkland as a suspect -- but now wonder if logic can be applied to the clues and that Lorelei wouldn't know Kirkland and Jane had shaken hands because that happened after she was being hustled out of the picture (and also after so short of a time she couldn't be conclusive about them having not become pals), meaning that the clue she gave him should hint at someone from at least awhile back if not long ago ...??
I agree with the idea that Mashburn is RJ--it's nice knowing that RJ is a character that we know. Can the show go on if the central premise is solved? Patrick would have to give up some of his insanity. And that might just kill the show. Also, I don't see any more than a deep affection--not love-- between Lisbon and Jane. He's much too narcissistic to love anyone--hasn't much learned anything since he lost his wife. I see them (jane/Lisbon) more in a brother/sister mode.
This episode was interesting. First off it seems that Jane knows Red John and has met him cordially. He should have realized that, it seems obvious, but barring hindsight and all. Kirkland was planted into this episode to do 2 things..first make sure everyone bought the "kidnapping story" and to make sure that Lorelei got away. I allude to the fact that he jumped to conclusions very fast..."She probably had a gun trained on you the whole time." So I don't believe Kirkland is Red John, but he is a pansy for rich criminals and gets paid to take care of his friends.(example the psychopath Volker)
Lorelei mentions her sister's death as a "gift" this flows right inline with the teachings of Visualize..or as it in the realworld is known as Scientology..So probably not Stiles, he would have sprung her a long time ago..
This was one of the best episodes in the series! Lots to think about. I hereby nominate Walter Mashburn as Red John. He's someone Jane knows, likes, shook hands with, and in one episode there was a comment on how Mashburn and Jane are a lot alike. He's extremely wealthy, powerful, and personable, so can arrange all these infiltrations. He was badly heartbroken some years ago by a woman, so may have developed serial killing as a result. Both he and Jane have lost their true loves. One reacts in a murderous way, the other in a socially positive way. Jane helped set up Lisbon with Mashburn for a one-night stand - he wants her to have the happiness he can't give. (He's not exactly boyfriend material as-is.) Maybe there has been an ongoing Mashburn/Lisburn relationship.) Stiles is involved in the RJ thing, but don't know how yet.
@huisclothes I think Jane would have let Lorelei do ANYTHING to him and he would do anything for her to keep her pacified and moving towards RJ so he could follow. But he would not willfully give up his life, partly because then he would have to give up finding and finishing off Red John, but also because he genuinely doesn't want to die and he knows the risk he's taken. He was really terrified of being killed.
The scene where he and the boy stared and stared and then Jane crossed his eyes in that hideous fashion -- I laughed and laughed, so funny.
I thought it was a very well-crafted episode, even though very unsettling and that one lousy almost worthless clue.
I still think Red John is Kristina Frye.
continuation of my previous comment:
how about hamlet avenges his father's murder then goes on to clean up the mean streets of denmark? the premise of the mentalist is the stuff of high drama (medea, oedipus). as jane points out in the pilot, when the smiley face is painted on the wrong wall thus proving the murder wasn't committed by red john, "doesn't play nearly as well, does it?" taking red john out of the equation as this point would be tugging at the piece of the yarn that unravels the whole sweater.
great review. great episode. So interesting that simon used "north by northwest" to foreshadow the plot of the episode. as a director, he brings real poetry to the style of the show.
i love that patrick let loralei kick the crap of him. he could have subdued this wild damaged girl. but the fact that he didn't shows so much about the character's and the writers' emotional intelligence.
isbon did do the hair fluff and soft glow at kirkland. jane called him her new best friend. sharp guy, that patrick.
that last scene with patrick. he looked so hideous, grotesque. the joker, dr. strange love and the picture of dorian gray all rolled in to one.
question, without the red john angle, what would the premise of the show then be? a former psychic who recently solved the murder of his family -- a crime that his own behavior triggered -- goes on to solve some other really bad crimes? how about hamlet avenges his father's murder and goes on to clean up the mean streets of
Either expose Red John or kill him off, he's run his course (off the script). And what was that line about at the telephone last night, "Help me or I'm going to be killed (paraphrased). Patrick is suppose to get himself and his intuition out of any sticky situation. but as seen last night and previouly,he does need the police's help. It' just that you have made him to be a "superhero" which he sin't, in fact he's very venerable. Enjoy to the max.
So all we need to do now is compile a list of everyone jane has shook hands with on the show.
And then hope that it didn't happen off screen.
@Barbara K -- I'm glad you brought up the security guard scene (because I hadn't considered it in a long time). I didn't necessarily think it had to be a real guard at the time, but the two things I thought then and need to remember is that all of Lisbon's team were accounted for, commiserating with Jane after the interview and, if the guard or disguised as a guard was anyone "big" or executive with CBI, the guard leading the prisoner or the blonde who was a higher up (I think with DA) escorting the prisoner and guard would have recognized who it was. So, that eliminates a lot of people!
I remember reading a coup;e of years ago an interview with Bruno Heller in witch he said that Red John is someone we had already seen. So he cou;d not be a new character on the show. I think Red John is one of the security guards at the CBI. In the episode "His Red Right Hand" (Season 3), Rebecca smiles broadly at the uniformed guard walking toward her, just before he stabs her hand with poison.
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I was trying to say that this episode was never bored. Because it had all. It was extraordinarily written.
I too am becoming bored with the continuing "Red John" meme and want it to come to an end and soon. Last night I looked at my wife and asked, "if the Jane character is so darned intelligent and observant, why hasn't he used his high powered brain and observation powers to figure out who Red John is by now? It has been obvious all along it is someone he knows and probably knows well. I don't think it is a new character recently introduced either. It wouldn't surprise me if it was the female FBI agent who was "discredited" or someone like her.
Please, just get the Red John thing done and get back to some really good story lines. The show is starting to become stale like a month old loaf of bread and you know what happens to month old bread.
I know that many people are only interested in knowing who is Red John. Others are only interested in whether Jane and Lisbon ended up together. Others were concerned with how the investigation is resolved, but I think the main thing is not bore you, and in this episode was impossible. Like good movies, good episodes are those in which there are many details to be analyzed and in which many things are counted. I thought the episode lasted five minutes. I was waiting the whole episode because everything was significant. I think now The Mentalist is more great.
Rank, thanks for the info, because I didn't know that Van Pelt was pregnant. I did wonder why we weren't seeing much of her. On another topic, I didn't see any episode when Rigsby broke up with his lawyer girlfriend. When did that happen. Also, I don't believe that Lisbon is in love with Patrick Jane. He is too annoying to love! lol. I think she cares for him a lot, and empathasizes with him re the loss of his wife and child. Sometimes as "shippers" we tend to see relationships in every lead, but I believe this is one show where this is not so. They even axed the relationship with Rigsby and Van Pelt, and that had seemed more feasible. So please people, stop seeing relationships where there aren't any. Stop the unnecessary "shipping".
I haven't watched the episode yet, as I missed it last night but plan to watch it online. However, when I saw the promo and read what it's about, I wasn't even enthused. I am so fed up of the Red John arc. When they killed off the guy we thought was Red John (Bradford from West Wing and The Good Guys), I was thrilled. I couldn't believe they would say he wasn't RJ and start the stupid hunt again. Not to mention Jane's obsession with Lorelei. A poster here is right: they are going to lose viewers if any thinks like that viewer or like me. So fed up now. Still like the show, but Red John, BE GONE NOW!!!
Oh, sonde, me TOO!
I am SO sick of the "Red John" storyline. There are "arcs" and then there are . . . . What should we call this? A car driving over a cliff is more like it. This long, drawn out "could it be . . .???" season after season is tiresome.
When Jane is at the outdoor food court and shoots Red John, that should have ended it. Or maybe one or two episodes after that. But again and again and again; it's just too much.
I found myself on a mountain top chanting "Red John, BE GONE! Red John, BE GONE!" was that too much? Well get him out, wrap it up, call it a day. You're losing viewers, add to that the fact that the whole Sunday night lineup pushes the series too late into the evening. As for Stiles being Red John, he is so creepy looking, I'm surprised they didn't make him another one of Grace's ill fated boyfriend relationships. We need new blood here people, better time slot and of course, the whole Red John, BE GONE thing.
Count me in as another "Bret Stiles is Red John" believer. It makes total sense.
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