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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
December 15th, 2012 1:55 PM
Something about Jane and his memory palace has really been bugging me. It occurred to me that if we had been give clues, could the word memory palace have a dual meaning. Now, the series has made references to books and poems. So I looked up the memory palace and guess WHAT! There is a book called the Memory Palace! It's about sisters leaving home and changing their names because their mother has schizophernia and is very dangerous. They are gone for some time when one of the sister's has a brain injury and begins puting her life back together. She looks her mother up again only to find out her mother is dying. One of the reviews for this book was the following; The Memory Palace is a breathtaking literary memoir about the complex meaning of love, truth, and the capacity for forgiveness amoung family. INTERESTING HUH?
December 13th, 2012 8:14 PM
Continuing my probably ridiculous psycho analysis of The Mentalist: In the Paley Center video Bruno Heller said the story was about the reality of death in all our lives. So, is Red John basically the personification of Death? Evil but necessary, mindlessly random, uncaring of human emotions? That's RJ for sure. Now consider the "handshake" thing: Lorelei said Jane had met RJ and shook hands with him and she thought they would become friends. Take that figuratively instead of literally and we have Jane shaking hands with Death (when he almost drowned)but he lived so did not become "friends" with Death. RJ/Death wants Jane as a friend - one who accepts Death willingly - one who will inflict Death on others (or himself) at Death's command. Death totally controls Life in the end. RJ totally controls his minions. Just something to think about - RJ thinks of himself as Death and acts accordingly.
December 13th, 2012 12:53 AM
I am fine with the Red John storyline, but they need to show some real progress in the next RJ episode. I enjoyed Red Sails In The Sunset. It actually received very good reviews from neutral critics. It's the lowest rated because it started with amost 1-hour delay.
I don't think it's Simon Baker who said it, but Bruno Heller & Co. always say finding Red John is the end of the series. I disagree. I do like to see Jane after Red John. I very much look forward to it. The motivation for him to continue working for CBI could be soomeone from CBI died while catching Red John.
December 13th, 2012 12:41 AM
Jane will face the reality that his family is dead and will never come back, and that evil (represented by RJ) can never be defeated entirely. He will wake to this and his dreadful night of pain and loss will end. It's all about the reality of death (seen by most people as the ultimate evil) and the need to deal with it as a part of life. Some find solace in imagining an ongoing connection with lost loved ones. Even Jane, though no believer in any kind of afterlife, found solace in throwing that flower into the ocean as a way to emotionally connect with his family. The last shot of that episode had the camera panning out to take in nothing but the ocean. In Jungian terms, perhaps that ocean symbolized the "univeral conscience" said to connect all humanity, and it made Jane feel better just to do that little connecting ritual. I LOVE shows that give me something to think about and this does it!
December 13th, 2012 12:31 AM
Is RJ evil? Not in his view? Is Jane good? Not in his view, since he brought on the death of his family through his arrogance. So what exactly is good and what exactly is evil? Now consider the Blake poem Cradle Song, the last two lines recided by Bertram and identified by LaRoche: "When thy little heart doth wake, Then the dreadful night shall break." It's about the appearance of innocence underlain by "wiles." All this means something to the plot!! Perhaps when one wakes to face reality, the darkness (of tragedy?) will end. Given all this, I see RJ as a symbol of evil that always exists mixed with good. He is always a shadowy figure representing the banality of evil in human existence. He may never be shown to us as a real person, but will be defeated (for Jane but not for the world) in a dramatic showdown (because this is TV) and disappear forever, leaving only his voice in a farewell message similar to what Timothy Carter said in the shopping mall (speaking RJ's thoughts for him).
December 13th, 2012 12:15 AM
I love this show for its philosophical depth, great writing, superb acting, and exceptional cast interactions. I worry that it will be canceled before the RJ mystery can be solved, and I worry that the plot is being stretched out because the producers expect the series to go at least one more season. I do wish the RJ arc would wind up so we can see Jane build a new happy life. There are so many aspects to the character that the show could continue indefinitely. Here's what I think of the basic theme and how it might play out (to earn my RJ plot resolution): The William Blake poems are critical to understanding the plot. Tiger Tiger means this is about the interplay of good and evil and how it's not always clear which is which. Jane watches PFS nature shows of predators attacking prey. Is the lion evil for attacking the gazelle? No, it's part of nature, neither right nor wrong (as Jane said), it just happens. "Did he who made the lamb also make thee? {the tiger}" Is RJ evil? Not in his
December 12th, 2012 9:53 PM
The Mentalist is the only show I watch on a regular basis. I like it that much. Some episodes are better than others, but that happens with any long term show. I remember that when Simon Baker got his multimillion dollar deal, he was signed for 7 seasons. What I like abouyt the show is the interaction between members of the team. Another fun thing is watching the DVDs of the show and spotting things I missed. Did anyone else notice that Lisbon's new best friend (I forgot his name) had the same facial hair pattern that Rigsby did in Red Dawn?
December 12th, 2012 4:40 PM
Eli and Take a Breath you are right. I will refrain from this silly mess. It is what it is! I never really cared about the business end of the show anyway. I think we need another Red John episode and some more clues!
December 12th, 2012 2:02 PM
@anitraward1....You are right. This is business, and I think that is why some are worried about the ratings. If you don't have ratings....which translates into how much CBS can get for a 30 sec commerical that can only impact on if the show is renewed or not. I don't think the Mentalist is in danger this year. Next year, maybe, but since CBS dosen't get money from the syndication and does from it's other low rated shows, I am afraid that the mentalist (even higher in viewers) would get the ax before some of the other shows. Let me say again....I don't think it is in any danger this year, so lets all enjoy the show while we have it.
December 12th, 2012 1:55 PM
Anitaward, I stand by what I said. Saying that some fans don't know the meaning of the word loyalty is an attack. Being a fan of a show does not mean you forfeit the right to criticize it if you think it is going in the wrong direction. But again, we just have different opinions on this. No harm, no foul. You do really need to relax. Maybe you should watch some Mentalist reruns and find your happy place.
December 12th, 2012 1:45 PM
It is getting kind of hot in here. No need to attack others. Everyone has a right to their opinions. In regard to the loyality issue, I think you can be loyal to a show and still not like everything that you see on screen. I have been complaining to friends about a show (not mentalist) for years. I watched every week, but thought the writers and show had lost whatever made it "special". This season however it seems to have found that special "something" again and I am back to loving it. I watched it during the "bad times" (my opinion) and was loyal, but I still had problems with the show. I believe that some LOYAL viewers are tired of the Red John issue and would like to move on.....or at least have some movement in the storyline. It doesn't make them disloyal, just wanting "more" or getting back that "something" that drew them into the series in the first place. Peace.
December 12th, 2012 1:28 PM
Business is business! CBS moved The Mentalist to a slower time slot to make more money on the commericals they're hocking. The Mentalist had such a huge following that CBS assumed the follower would go to Sundays without a problem. Then they could put a knew show or a show with less followers into the old time slot, pull up those numbers and make more money. This is about MONEY!
December 12th, 2012 1:08 PM
RP, you are entitled to your opinion as well. I did'nt attack anyone but you sure attacked me. Why are you so ruffled up. Everything I saw so far is Spectulation! Loyalty has everything to do with it. I never said anyone was a bad person. You seem to be overstating what I said. The statement I made about Summer was in reference to the show only! You have to admit he is not the best looking guy! Summer is playing this guy and has not changed, you'll see! I'm not a shallow person and so what if I was! Me thinks you protests tooooo...... MUCH!?! Think outside the box, RP! I'm not here to discuss the personal beliefs of the viewer's. I'm here to discuss the series and nothing else. You are wearing your feelings on you sleeve, put on your game face cockroach for the sake of everybody else!
December 12th, 2012 12:03 PM
(continuing previous comment). Maybe he is very kind and treats her well. An ex-hooker might actually value and appreciate that. I'm sure she has been with lots of good looking men, so that may not matter as much to her as it clearly does to you. The point is you don;t know anything about the man or what summer thinks about him. I for one am happy that she found a nice guy, is about to have a child with him, and seems very happy.
December 12th, 2012 11:59 AM
Anitaward, I really like the show, but it is not the best show that has ever been on TV. But you are entitled to your opinion. And I don't feel that Red John was all the show was ever about. I started watching because I liked the humor, the clever plans Jane came up with, and the relationships within the team. Red John was never that important to me. Loyalty has nothing to do with this. It is a TV show. It is about entertainment. If somebody no longer finds it entertaining, they shouldn't watch. It doesn't make them disloyal or a bad person,and you shouldn't attack them because their opinion is different than yours. BTW, if I stopped watching everything on a network every time they cancelled a show I liked, I would have run out of networks a long time ago. I think you need to get a little perspective and relax.
As to Summer, you are saying she wouldn't have a baby by that ugly man, she's just after his money? First of all, you are clearly very shallow. Maybe he is very k
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December 12th, 2012 11:19 AM
The website TV By the Numbers is the source of CBS tries to stay ahead of the ratings game by canceling shows early to try something new ... and they are the ones who are saying that CBS will cancel CSI:NY, The Good Wife, or The Mentalist. Of the 3, The Mentalist has seemed to me to have the best ratings (when they aren't pushed past prime time by football) -- always getting a 10 or better (by the TV Fanatic numbers), and always more than The Good Wife right before it. But NOTE!! At the website I mentioned there is an article with the headline "CBS: 'CSI:NY' Is Likely To Be Canceled."
December 12th, 2012 10:13 AM
I think everyone is right. LOL I think the Mentalist was moved into the Sunday slot for a slow end to the show. I think next years will be it's last. Not because of quality, but because CBS really doesn't respect the series any more. They are not making money on it and the ratings are low. As far as the fans, CBS canceled CSi Miami and they had lots of fans. It is all spectulation but I think some people are worried that their will not be a close to the Red John mystery or go beyond that in story telling. I think if they let the viewers know who he is/with Jane not knowing, it would bring back interest in the storyline its self and in the show. The writers do need to do something, as much as I like Red John shows...MOVE IT ALONG !!! and then show the aftermath.
December 12th, 2012 10:01 AM
Think about it, it's like you said, when you don't like something, you do something else. If they cancel the show I will change networks in a NEW YORK MINUTE!
December 12th, 2012 9:57 AM
I get that, but it is all spectulation! CBS cannot afford to loose The Mentalist fans because alot of these fans are also the fans of other CBS shows! To insult them in such a manner who not be a wise choice for them.
December 12th, 2012 9:50 AM
KV, you know what they say about things that are too good to be true!
December 12th, 2012 9:45 AM
re-cancellation......Okay, I feel like I need to defend myself. The "talk" about cancellation is not coming from "fans" or people who say that the Red John plot is old, it is coming from people in the TV rating business. It is widely known that CBS will cancel the good wife, Csi NY or the Mentalist to make way for next years new shows. Now, from all three I would say that the Mentalist is safe; however, their ratings are still not that great which put them in danger not to mention they are in the death slot of Sunday evenings. When football overruns, most people go to bed and that hurts the ratings. Also, if CBS (who does not own the mentalist) doesn't get any money from it....all that is saving it is the ratings. All I am saying is that the mentalist can not afford to lose any more viewers.
December 12th, 2012 9:39 AM
Now that I really think about it, Summer has not had a change of heart! That's why she was at the counterfeiter's location. She's a thrill seeker and thrill seekers don't change. Besides that! I know Summer would not have a baby by that ugly man. She's just after his money!
December 12th, 2012 9:21 AM
The Mentalist is the best show that's ever been on TV. Some of you fans that say you are loyal don't know the meaning of the word. The writer's, creator and the actor's have all done their best to please the viewer's. I'm satisfied with what they have done so far. Red John is what this whole series was always about and now you want to change it because you have no patience! REALLY! The only thing I agree with is the idea that the series can live past RED JOHN. And then all this yack about cancellation! The only place I hear any talk about that is from viewer's like you! Have some fun while you can, shows like this don't come along too often. I am also happy that this show challenges the viewer's instead of feeding us crap and expecting us to like it. If that's what you like go, watch it!
December 12th, 2012 9:06 AM
I think it's interesting that you think that Stranger, the one thing you are forgetting is that he slept with his CI in the first place. If Cho is so smart why couldn't he refrain from breaking all the rules. Not only can't he do the math but he is also smug enough to believe it's not his!
December 11th, 2012 11:39 PM
I don't believe Summer's baby is Cho's. She was gone long enough to be 8 months pregnant with somebody else's baby. While timing on TV shows is never exactly clear, she left a few episodes before the end of season 4, and keep in mind the 6 month gap at the end of the season when Jane was in Vegas. More importantly, Cho is not stupid. He can easily do the math in his head. If there was any chance that baby was his, he would have at least asked her about it. And I doubt he would have just believed her if she said it's not. I think they just brought her back to provide closure on the story line and let the viewers know she is doing well. A lot of viewers (though not all) really liked her.