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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
January 9th, 2013 7:31 PM
(continued) So perhaps the Volker thing will trigger Lisbon into doing something very Jane-like, very unethical, very dangerous, even outsmarting Jane in the mind manipulation dept. Suddenly Jane sees Lisbon in a light he can relate to and all ends well. She's a soul mate after all. Reminds me of the Willy Nelson song, Good Hearted Woman: "She's a good hearted woman in love with a good-timin' man. She loves him in spite of his wicked ways that she don't understand...Through tear drops and laughter they'll pass through this world hand in hand - a good hearted woman in love with a good-timin' man." Well, what can I say: If the writers won't give us a good ending I'll just make one up.
January 9th, 2013 7:28 PM
Yeah, The Guardian was a depressing series, tho very well done. The Mentalist could easily end up as depressing. Jane sees no future for him other than either death or imprisonment, so he urges Lisbon to find love and happiness elsewhere and shuts off any sexual attraction for her. However, he has definitely been sexually attracted to no-good women like his former hustler self - the opportunistic bimbo Erica and the con artist Kristina. Remember Jane comes from a long line of carnival hucksters, was born and raised in that environment and actually does not know how to be anything but a con artist. Without his CBI involvement Jane would be right back to his roots. So he needs a good woman (like his dead wife, who also did share his carnval background) to keep from seeing the whold world as marks to be exploited. The only one around is Lisbon, but she has no romantic appeal because Jane needs that unorthodox anti-establishment vibe to turn him on. So perhaps the Volker thing will trigger
January 9th, 2013 4:45 PM
here's how they tied up simon's series, the guardian. nick fallin, an ambitious, brilliant, troubled young lawyer works in his famous father's law firm. nick is arrested for drug possession and sentenced to do three years of community service at a free legal clinic. in the final episodes, nick's boss at the clinic is diagnosed with ALS and leaves. the love of nick's life gets pregnant, finds out the child has down's syndrome, refuses to marry nick who then cheats on her. the board of nick's firm fires him. nick's father quits his own firm. nick and his pregnant sweetheart have a tentative rapprochement. he buys her and his unborn child a house. she refuses to marry him, refuses to have his name on the house and refuses to give his name to the baby. he winds up assuming his boss's job at the depressing, thankless clinic. nobody's happy. that's how i think we'll all feel if patrick doesn't sock it to red john.
January 9th, 2013 4:23 PM
ok, here's my interpretation. yes, yes, yes, i understand that the intent was for jane to express concern for lisbon. but as i've said before, the writing, in my opinion, wasn't good. jane can easily combine wit and finesse with concern. but that didn't happen here. the writer made an attempt at wit and finesse and wound up with metaphors that were mixed and muddled. maybe that's just me. i give it a c-minus.
moving on, i wish volker wan't such a cartoon. guess they have only three episodes to establish him and dispatch him. but brett stiles had so much dimension after one episode. volker's a mustache-twirling disappointment. i also think jane can dismantle him without taking his eyes off red john. i do hope jane doesn't lose his taste for revenge. i want him to kill red john, bring him back to life and kill him again. don't think bruno would betray patrick -- or us.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 9th, 2013 11:41 AM
Also if Lisbon is in real danger and Jane realizes it, I'm not sold he'll start to not be as preoccupied with his Red John obsession and more towards her, thats not with his character, but in the interest of ratings which the show really needs, they might go with that storyline. Although--Lisbon in danger might be more about Red John later on(and Jane keeps Lisbon out of the blue with his Red John search for a reason)so him caring more about Lisbon and finding RJ might go hand in hand. Last thing--Lisbon really did screw up here, as antiaward1 described, she antagonized Volker to killing Amanda without realizing it and underestimated a man who killed an entire village. I wish maybe we could have seen how the rest of the CBI, FBI and judicial system reacted to it, maybe coming down on her, even though the one judge told her it's not her responsibility, in the real world, alot of people wouldn't feel that way. Imagine if that created more CBI-FBI rivalry or put Lisbon in hot water with t
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January 9th, 2013 11:33 AM
@rationalgal: Really interesting take the only thing is Volker is only signed on for 3 episodes and this is the last one-so he's not going to be the one in the end the theme is based around. But that is an interesting pt about Red John, its going to be harder to just suddenly kill him in the end considering they already tried that in season 3. Also the idea about Lisbon now being in real danger is a very good one and it connects to the Red John theme; we know Red John knows about Jane-Lisbon and his minions have actually tried killing Lisbon twice in previous episodes, maybe this Volker thing does relate to Red John in some way to show that Lisbon is in danger with regards to this situation and to Red John as well. I still tend to think Volker and Red John aren't related but I do think this idea that Lisbon is in danger is something we're going to see.
January 9th, 2013 2:45 AM
JUST BAG EM AND TAG EM!
January 9th, 2013 2:37 AM
SO DON'T LET THAT EVIL CREEP STEAL A PIECE OF YOUR SOUL LISBON, LOVE YOU, JANE. I used the Rosetta Stone, this is what he was really saying!
January 9th, 2013 2:12 AM
Like Van Pelt said sometimes you learn things you wish you could unlearn or unsee or unknow. That knowing the evil hearts of some men is not worth the enlightenment.
January 9th, 2013 2:01 AM
When Jane told Lisbon not to let Volker het into her head, what he meant was Volker is a demented twisted evil little creep who delights in playing with people before he kills them. Jane knows Volker is not worth that kind of self torment. Basically he was saying if you drive down that nasty little road to Volker's neighborhood and park against his curb, you might find youself in the nightmare in elm street. Jane said he knew cause he had been there. You don't want him in your because he's just evil period. Jane does not want Lisbon to be in the same mind frame as he is with Red John. Red Johns evil is consuming Jane and Jane knows that. He was protecting Lisbon.
January 9th, 2013 1:32 AM
Now for the rest of the episode! Jane was hilarious! I love how he makes fun of the conventional society in which he works. He know how the will act and react. The best part is watching him give these folks the proverbial punch in the eyes and then laugh at them. I loved it when he shushed Cho and said could you just be a little quiet, I'm trying to search over here! Also when he pulled the watch out of his pocket and said I don't know why I didn't feel that in there. Then all the crap in the psychiatrist office! Just funny. I love his dry wit and the fact that he can be really silly! I loved the perfume thing, Jane knew when he looked around the room who his suspects were. He used it as a prop because he was on a hell raising mission! How much trouble can I get into in a rehab. center? How much Jane, how much? My best line was, you're acting like an angry stick insect! Loved this episode!
January 9th, 2013 1:11 AM
Lisbon is smart and has an arsenal at her command. She pulled out her biggest weapon, JANE! A heat seeking missile with Volker's name on it! I hope Jane blows Volker' s behind up! BOOM! You can't catch dirt bags playing nice!
January 9th, 2013 1:02 AM
This was the scene I knew Amanda was going to be killed. Not after Lisbon talked to her in her apartment. The only thing Lisbon didn't know at the time was how dirty this guy was. Lisbon was operating from when we catch him, we will protect you when you testify position. If Lisbon had known this guy was a serial killer she would have placed Amanda in protective custody immediately. Lisbon was operating from an inquiry stage with no hard proof on Volker. Volker was already a step ahead of Lisbon. Lisbon's word is her word! What Volker did in Lisbon's eyes was brutal and unwarranted. I'm on Lisbon's side in this one!
January 9th, 2013 12:49 AM
Lisbon has to set an example for her people and show respect for the law's conventional thinking to her superiors. She is stuck in the middle with no way out. In the episode If it Leads It Bleeds, Volker made up his mind to kill Amanda when they were in the airplane hanger. When Lisbon told Volker she didn't believe he would do his own dirty work, Amanda got nervous and dropped her papers on the ground. Volker looked at Amanda like she was a weak link to him and as good as dead.
January 9th, 2013 12:35 AM
This episode was fun and interesting on both sides. Lisbon is standing up to this KILLER even while he covertly threatens her life. Lisbon knows people are scared of Volker's wealth, power and influence. Lisbon's hands are tied when it comes right down to getting this creepy crawler! She is a linear conventional law enforcement officer who can't afford to side step the law for any reason. When she has in the past she paid a high price and that was for the small stuff.
January 9th, 2013 12:02 AM
(continued) right out of the mental hospital as the front man for finding RJ and handing all files over to him certainly needs explaining). Volker will be the guy all the bloody revenge gets heaped on (maybe with an RJ connection) and the real RJ (who may never be seen as more than a shadowy figure with an odd voice) will just disappear, but no one will care any more. He really has been only a personification of Death as a factor in everyone's life and how we deal with that, never portrayed as a real killer such as Panzer and Volker.
January 8th, 2013 11:57 PM
Volker may have been written into the story so there is a really bad guy to kill in the end. Bruno Heller said viewers want to see the harpoons go in. No one but Volker looks particularly harpoon-ready. Can't do another killing of Red John. Too anti-climatic after the shopping mall episode. RJ is also no longer harpoon-ready as he started out to be. Timothy Carter (speaking for RJ) turned him into a guy just wanting to retire. Lisbon's wrath against Volker is probably to set her up to being in serious danger, possibly to disengage Jane from his RJ obsession and think seriously about how he and Lisbon really feel about each other. So somehow this season has to bring the story to a close. How the writers are going to deal with everyone who has had a close personal relationship with RJ I have no idea. It includes Rosalind Harker, Kristina Frye, Bertram/LaRoche (the Blake poems), Brett Stiles, Visualize, and the FBI (setting Jane up right out of the mental hospital as the front man for fin
Rank: Recurring Character
January 8th, 2013 11:00 PM
@husiclothes: I also think you probably misinterpreted that although your general comment of things being a little corny the second time is an astute and interesting observation, its something I notice on the show more than occasionally rewatching it unfortunately but this wasnt one of those episodes that I felt that way. I really didn't think he was being snarky or clever, and actually I think the opposite that was one of the more caring and legitimately earnest pieces of advice Jane has given Lisbon in a while, not any of that mocking snide remarks Jane is known for. We know Lisbon cares greatly about Jane and we know that Jane cares for Lisbon, but quotes like those show his care has matured and can approach levels that Lisbon has shown for him in the past. And no I still dont think this Jane-Lisbon romance is happening anytime soon, there is a difference between earnest care and romantic love.
January 8th, 2013 10:23 PM
hi watcher. nice to see someone is reading my stuff. appreciate your analysis. so you're saying that patrick means "letting someone inside your head is a bad move for you?" that seems like a perfectly fine thing for him to communicate there and that's ultimately how i understood it in context. but what he does say -- you don't want to go down that road (meaning the path to the inside of your head?), that's a bad neighborhood (the inside of your head?) does feel like a line written in the style of being clever without actually being clever but that's just me.
glad you liked the perfume comment.
January 8th, 2013 8:15 PM
huisclothes, you misinterpreted the inside your head comment. What Jane said was he was worried Lisbon was letting Volker inside her head. He said "you don't want to go down that road, that's a bad neighborhood." The meaning is that letting somebody else inside your head is a bad move for you. It was not a shot at Lisbon at all, and not flawed construction on the writer's part. You need to listen to the entire statement.
I agree with you on the perfume though. Unnecessary.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 8th, 2013 7:17 PM
^Jane feels and that this might impact how they approach and go about a Red John situation when the time comes in the show. Based on history, usually the show throws out events like this and there are no lasting effects which would be dissapointing, but one can hope.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 8th, 2013 7:16 PM
As for Volker and Red John connection, keep in mind this is Volker's last episode--there could always be a curve ball that brings this back to Red John, but the way they focused this episode(and its not even the last Volker centered episode) so heavily on Lisbon and her fight for justice makes me think that's the focus--on Lisbon's character and showing a different side of her, not on creating the mystery of whether this could be a Red John connection. Volker's interest also is totally in Lisbon, if he were an RJ disciple, there would be more about him towards Jane(although again we still have 1 more episode). One thing I hope though is there are lasting effects of this. If its not a direct Red John connection(and I'm hoping they don't do this--season 3 was all about random characters and how they tie to RJ it's already been done) I hope we see this idea of Lisbon seeking revenge and having the same feeling as Jane linger in continuing episodes and that she's more understanding of how
Rank: Recurring Character
January 8th, 2013 7:10 PM
^continued when Lisbon and Jane argued over her claim "they finally solved one without him")but I think part of the show is as it develops Lisbon realizes the value of Jane and the necessity to put up with his baggage(something which she had little tolerance for in season 1+2) and to stop trying to fight the urge to rely on Jane. You wouldn't have seen her ask for Jane for help like that so openly and her talk about what she was doing with him so openly in previous seasons like you saw on Sunday. I'm not sure I agree with how they went through the maturation process and how they made the CBI team medicore without Jane, but the show needs views, if you don't have an arch around Jane and him being the hero, you're going to lose viewers. This show isn't Lost or NCIS or some show with such a huge base of viewers they can afford to take risks(that's also why this show will end when Jane finds Red John). That's just how it is for better or worse.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 8th, 2013 7:06 PM
The shows in a tough spot with how to manage the abilities of the other characters. Realistically, there's no reason to think Lisbon could one up someone so powerful and dangerous, if Jane can't do that for his nemesis and Lisbon within 3 episodes get her guy who's so dangerous, that's a really bad design. But at the same time, I can see what people are saying, this pattern we've seen of 4+years of them needing Jane for everything(even Wainwright before he died had turned and wanted Jane back after firing him because of how medicore the CBI had become) is tiresome and lacks creativity, but where do you find a middle ground? If you want to establish Volker as a super powerful person, I'm not sure you can. Now, if the team could solve some easier cases without Jane's assistance, that I think would make for a better show and add more possibilities(remember in earlier seasons it was a pt of hostility with Lisbon when Jane said "they were lost without them" in season 2 and in season 3 when
January 8th, 2013 6:25 PM
@funnygirl81 and bluejay. i also vote for volker being connected to red john. kirkland did seem to indicate this since he said "it's complicated" about both cases. of course, he may say "it's complicated" when he orders lunch so we'll see. in the promo, i loved seeing jane dismantle voker with every word.
lisbon should have shown more finesse in her pursuit of volker. not seeing the danger she put his assistant in was really unforgivable. we all saw her murder coming. she's worked too long with patrick's razor blade of a mind to try to catch this guy with a butter knife.