That goes for just you "Michael". You are perfectly fine "S".
MCAL
February 24th, 2013 9:09 PM
We shouldn't even be having this conversation. The point I am making is that Ziva is not the most hated character in television history. She never has been, never will be. If we conduct a poll here on who likes or doesn't like Ziva, I can assure you it will mostly (Key word: Mostly!) be in Ziva's favor. And she isn't being placed on a pedestal either. In the end, Ziva and everyone else (Unless the actors themselves want to leave and I don't see any proof in that.) are not going anywhere. They have all been mostly a part of NCIS and they will stay that way for a while. Stop making up rumors that don't exist. That is what really bugs me. That people hate or love a character so much, they make stuff up without any proof whatsoever. This is a free country and you guys can say whatever you want. That doesn't mean you can make illogical decisions and think everyone will just agree with you.
MCAL
February 24th, 2013 9:00 PM
@Michael
Wait... What?! You just proved that Ziva was the reason for most viewers. You said the reason the ratings went up and down were because of Ziva. Now if Shabbat Shalom had 21.11 viewers which was the highest of the season at the time, even higher than the premiere. Then Shiva which was mostly (Key word: mostly! Not entirely, but mostly!) was the focus on Ziva and Tiva (Which I don't really mind either way. Like I said whatever happens will happen.) had 22.86 viewers. It went up because of Ziva. Then the next episode, Hit and Run, which was Abby-Central had 22.07. That means it went down because of Ziva, because Ziva wasn't the focus. That means Ziva affects viewership in a good way.
Michael
February 24th, 2013 2:57 PM
I went and rewatch the the promo and it was not focus entirely on Ziva it was on her father and again if Ziva is the reason the rating went up then by that logic she the reason they are down too.
FanofTony
February 24th, 2013 8:20 AM
I think Gibbs may be building that boat for Ryan and her son. Remember he kept that picture that her son drew,, The son wanted to sail away with his mom to get away from his father. They showed the picture in at least a couple of the episodes.
S
February 23rd, 2013 7:58 PM
Well since the very last scene of SS revealed that Jackie had died, I'd say that this drama was extremely significant in return viewers as well. It was a subtle, quiet, and beautifully acted moment by RC. Very heart breaking. Shiva also teased Tony involvement as we saw his apartment in the promos. That may have enticed viewers as well.
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 7:26 PM
@S
That is true for Shabbat Shalom. But Shiva is one that got the most viewers ever (And I think counting DVR plays, it went over 25 million) and the Promo on Television had the focus entirely on Ziva and like I said Vance played an important part in the episode, but he wasn't most of the focus.
Incidentally, I found your ZCIS joke pretty clever, considering a Z is a N turned on its side.
S
February 23rd, 2013 3:54 PM
I'm sure many ZIva fans were excited about a two part Ziva episode, but it was heavily promoted with dire don't miss this epic NCIS type of hype. No other episode except the season premier got that kind of hype or as much publicity. And that Vance would be devastated was in the spoilers too. There were many guest appearances on talk shows promoting this episode with spoilers of devastating losses. NCIS LA also broke 20 million for the first time that week. Larger than usual ratings were recorded for a many programs in those weeks following Christmas. Check the numbers. There are consistent and predictable fluctuation in viewer numbers habits depending on what part of the year an episode is aired no matter who or what the episode focuses on. The Abby episode aired the next week brought in huge numbers with far less promotion and no promise of NCIS world rocking character deaths
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 3:52 PM
@Michael
Proof? Which TV people (As you so eloquently called it) did you find out that NCIS got their high ratings.
Michael
February 23rd, 2013 3:14 PM
@MCL
I am just saying what the TV people said why NCIS got those Huge ratings
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 2:15 PM
Continued...
I don't make these arguement cause I am a fan of one character, I make them cause I am a fan of every character.
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 2:13 PM
And one more thing I am an NCIS fan. No one character is any more important then the other to me. I like Tony no mater what he does, Ziva no matter what she does, McGee no matter what he does, Abby no matter what she does, Vance no matter what he does, Gibbs no matter what he does, Ducky and Palmer no mater what they do. I like (or liked. If they are dead I can't really say anything about them Eli David, Jackie Vance, Jenny Sheperd, Abigail Borin, Trent Kort, EJ, Secnav, Mike Franks, Jackson Gibbs, Tony Dinozzo Sr, Ari, Fornell, Kate Todd, and even Jeanne Benoit. I like every single character in the show equally for what they are and as long as they aren't acting out of character, which they aren't. If Tiva happens it will happen, if McAbby happens it will happen, if they decide to kill of a character then it will happen, if they deide to cancelit will happen, if a actor (Even Tony or Gibbs) decide to leave it will happen. What ever happens will happen. I don't make these arguement cau
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 1:56 PM
@Michael
The episode in question, Shiva, is promoted as Ziva first, Vance second. I'm not saying Vance wasn't important, but most of the previews completely focused on Ziva and that's what most people focused on. And your argument isn't good either. Hypothetically speaking, What about a Tony episode that had 20 million viewers? Shouldn't they be staying at 20 million for the rest of NCIS' existence. How about Gibbs or Abby or McGee or Ducky or Vance? All those characters are mostly constants on the show and yet viewers aren't always constant.
Michael
February 23rd, 2013 1:46 PM
Okay if 22.86 million people love Ziva where are they now should't every single eposide there for be 22.86 million. You want to know why 22.86 million people watch NCIS in January it was after christmas and most show on Tuesday that night were repeats THAT why they got 22.86 million views.
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 1:43 PM
Sorry to sound like a troll, but Are you saying that all 22.86 million people watched it just for Vance?
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 1:37 PM
@S
Also... I don't remember any of the previews on TV mentioning Vance at all.
MCAL
February 23rd, 2013 1:33 PM
@S
Vance isn't the most liked character either.
S
February 22nd, 2013 5:46 PM
@MCAL and Sam - take your own advise. SS and Shiva were heavily promoted for months prior to airing. While it was spoiled that Eli was coming back for a visit, the same spoilers also revealed the "Vance's world would be rocked" and promised character deaths. I know it's hard for some Ziva devotees to imagine that perhaps fans tuned in to see what would rock Vance's world, or who was going to die. Those were some extremely enticing and heavy duty spoilers for fans of NCIS. And let's not forget that every January and February viewer numbers increase significantly, only to drop again when there is more going on and the weather improves. I watched these episodes and I can assure you it was not because I was chomping at the bit to see another poor victim Ziva tragedy played out again. Me? I'd love to see Tony get some drama that doesn't involve propping up Ziva, but he seems doomed to be supporting role as usual in ZCIS.
MCAL
February 22nd, 2013 1:54 PM
@Michael
You should do stand up comedy. You'd be good at it. Really!
MCAL
February 22nd, 2013 12:48 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Stop disillusioning yourselves that no one likes Ziva cause clearly 22.86 million people do.
l'empress
February 22nd, 2013 10:27 AM
I liked the episode, but one thing bothered me: didn't Vance tell anyone his wife was dead? In the usual order of things, there are legal issues that must be followed, including death notice and notice to creditors. It is not uncommon for NCIS viewers to see a funeral (Kate's, Frank's, e.g.), but all we ever got was the one sentence from Vance.
SAM
February 22nd, 2013 8:42 AM
@Michael What are you going to do when Cote signs her new contract?
SAM
February 22nd, 2013 8:41 AM
@S Cote will end up making the same amount of money that both MW and Pauley do -- $175,000 per episode. And based on the ratings that both "SS" and "Shiva" -- both clearly advertised as Ziva centric episodes -- it would appear that a majority of viewers like the character as much as TPTB like her.
S
February 22nd, 2013 7:53 AM
Oh michael - I only wish that Ziva would leave. But as she seems to be the darling of tptb, they'll probably offer her more money than MW and PP receive and put Ziva ahead of Tony in the credits. They might as well. She's obviously written as a far more significant agent and character now than the teams permanent joke and Ziva's purse.
Michael
February 22nd, 2013 3:29 AM
since the actress who play Ziva is thinking of leaving NCIS to do comendy maybe gibbs is building her a boat to live on
Abby: I knew that guy was trouble. He's like an evil McGee.
February 24th, 2013 9:11 PM
That goes for just you "Michael". You are perfectly fine "S".
February 24th, 2013 9:09 PM
We shouldn't even be having this conversation. The point I am making is that Ziva is not the most hated character in television history. She never has been, never will be. If we conduct a poll here on who likes or doesn't like Ziva, I can assure you it will mostly (Key word: Mostly!) be in Ziva's favor. And she isn't being placed on a pedestal either. In the end, Ziva and everyone else (Unless the actors themselves want to leave and I don't see any proof in that.) are not going anywhere. They have all been mostly a part of NCIS and they will stay that way for a while. Stop making up rumors that don't exist. That is what really bugs me. That people hate or love a character so much, they make stuff up without any proof whatsoever. This is a free country and you guys can say whatever you want. That doesn't mean you can make illogical decisions and think everyone will just agree with you.
February 24th, 2013 9:00 PM
@Michael
Wait... What?! You just proved that Ziva was the reason for most viewers. You said the reason the ratings went up and down were because of Ziva. Now if Shabbat Shalom had 21.11 viewers which was the highest of the season at the time, even higher than the premiere. Then Shiva which was mostly (Key word: mostly! Not entirely, but mostly!) was the focus on Ziva and Tiva (Which I don't really mind either way. Like I said whatever happens will happen.) had 22.86 viewers. It went up because of Ziva. Then the next episode, Hit and Run, which was Abby-Central had 22.07. That means it went down because of Ziva, because Ziva wasn't the focus. That means Ziva affects viewership in a good way.
February 24th, 2013 2:57 PM
I went and rewatch the the promo and it was not focus entirely on Ziva it was on her father and again if Ziva is the reason the rating went up then by that logic she the reason they are down too.
February 24th, 2013 8:20 AM
I think Gibbs may be building that boat for Ryan and her son. Remember he kept that picture that her son drew,, The son wanted to sail away with his mom to get away from his father. They showed the picture in at least a couple of the episodes.
February 23rd, 2013 7:58 PM
Well since the very last scene of SS revealed that Jackie had died, I'd say that this drama was extremely significant in return viewers as well. It was a subtle, quiet, and beautifully acted moment by RC. Very heart breaking. Shiva also teased Tony involvement as we saw his apartment in the promos. That may have enticed viewers as well.
February 23rd, 2013 7:26 PM
@S
That is true for Shabbat Shalom. But Shiva is one that got the most viewers ever (And I think counting DVR plays, it went over 25 million) and the Promo on Television had the focus entirely on Ziva and like I said Vance played an important part in the episode, but he wasn't most of the focus.
Incidentally, I found your ZCIS joke pretty clever, considering a Z is a N turned on its side.
February 23rd, 2013 3:54 PM
I'm sure many ZIva fans were excited about a two part Ziva episode, but it was heavily promoted with dire don't miss this epic NCIS type of hype. No other episode except the season premier got that kind of hype or as much publicity. And that Vance would be devastated was in the spoilers too. There were many guest appearances on talk shows promoting this episode with spoilers of devastating losses. NCIS LA also broke 20 million for the first time that week. Larger than usual ratings were recorded for a many programs in those weeks following Christmas. Check the numbers. There are consistent and predictable fluctuation in viewer numbers habits depending on what part of the year an episode is aired no matter who or what the episode focuses on. The Abby episode aired the next week brought in huge numbers with far less promotion and no promise of NCIS world rocking character deaths
February 23rd, 2013 3:52 PM
@Michael
Proof? Which TV people (As you so eloquently called it) did you find out that NCIS got their high ratings.
February 23rd, 2013 3:14 PM
@MCL
I am just saying what the TV people said why NCIS got those Huge ratings
February 23rd, 2013 2:15 PM
Continued...
I don't make these arguement cause I am a fan of one character, I make them cause I am a fan of every character.
February 23rd, 2013 2:13 PM
And one more thing I am an NCIS fan. No one character is any more important then the other to me. I like Tony no mater what he does, Ziva no matter what she does, McGee no matter what he does, Abby no matter what she does, Vance no matter what he does, Gibbs no matter what he does, Ducky and Palmer no mater what they do. I like (or liked. If they are dead I can't really say anything about them Eli David, Jackie Vance, Jenny Sheperd, Abigail Borin, Trent Kort, EJ, Secnav, Mike Franks, Jackson Gibbs, Tony Dinozzo Sr, Ari, Fornell, Kate Todd, and even Jeanne Benoit. I like every single character in the show equally for what they are and as long as they aren't acting out of character, which they aren't. If Tiva happens it will happen, if McAbby happens it will happen, if they decide to kill of a character then it will happen, if they deide to cancelit will happen, if a actor (Even Tony or Gibbs) decide to leave it will happen. What ever happens will happen. I don't make these arguement cau
February 23rd, 2013 1:56 PM
@Michael
The episode in question, Shiva, is promoted as Ziva first, Vance second. I'm not saying Vance wasn't important, but most of the previews completely focused on Ziva and that's what most people focused on. And your argument isn't good either. Hypothetically speaking, What about a Tony episode that had 20 million viewers? Shouldn't they be staying at 20 million for the rest of NCIS' existence. How about Gibbs or Abby or McGee or Ducky or Vance? All those characters are mostly constants on the show and yet viewers aren't always constant.
February 23rd, 2013 1:46 PM
Okay if 22.86 million people love Ziva where are they now should't every single eposide there for be 22.86 million. You want to know why 22.86 million people watch NCIS in January it was after christmas and most show on Tuesday that night were repeats THAT why they got 22.86 million views.
February 23rd, 2013 1:43 PM
Sorry to sound like a troll, but Are you saying that all 22.86 million people watched it just for Vance?
February 23rd, 2013 1:37 PM
@S
Also... I don't remember any of the previews on TV mentioning Vance at all.
February 23rd, 2013 1:33 PM
@S
Vance isn't the most liked character either.
February 22nd, 2013 5:46 PM
@MCAL and Sam - take your own advise. SS and Shiva were heavily promoted for months prior to airing. While it was spoiled that Eli was coming back for a visit, the same spoilers also revealed the "Vance's world would be rocked" and promised character deaths. I know it's hard for some Ziva devotees to imagine that perhaps fans tuned in to see what would rock Vance's world, or who was going to die. Those were some extremely enticing and heavy duty spoilers for fans of NCIS. And let's not forget that every January and February viewer numbers increase significantly, only to drop again when there is more going on and the weather improves. I watched these episodes and I can assure you it was not because I was chomping at the bit to see another poor victim Ziva tragedy played out again. Me? I'd love to see Tony get some drama that doesn't involve propping up Ziva, but he seems doomed to be supporting role as usual in ZCIS.
February 22nd, 2013 1:54 PM
@Michael
You should do stand up comedy. You'd be good at it. Really!
February 22nd, 2013 12:48 PM
Guys, guys, guys. Stop disillusioning yourselves that no one likes Ziva cause clearly 22.86 million people do.
February 22nd, 2013 10:27 AM
I liked the episode, but one thing bothered me: didn't Vance tell anyone his wife was dead? In the usual order of things, there are legal issues that must be followed, including death notice and notice to creditors. It is not uncommon for NCIS viewers to see a funeral (Kate's, Frank's, e.g.), but all we ever got was the one sentence from Vance.
February 22nd, 2013 8:42 AM
@Michael What are you going to do when Cote signs her new contract?
February 22nd, 2013 8:41 AM
@S Cote will end up making the same amount of money that both MW and Pauley do -- $175,000 per episode. And based on the ratings that both "SS" and "Shiva" -- both clearly advertised as Ziva centric episodes -- it would appear that a majority of viewers like the character as much as TPTB like her.
February 22nd, 2013 7:53 AM
Oh michael - I only wish that Ziva would leave. But as she seems to be the darling of tptb, they'll probably offer her more money than MW and PP receive and put Ziva ahead of Tony in the credits. They might as well. She's obviously written as a far more significant agent and character now than the teams permanent joke and Ziva's purse.
February 22nd, 2013 3:29 AM
since the actress who play Ziva is thinking of leaving NCIS to do comendy maybe gibbs is building her a boat to live on