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The Mentalist Round Table: "Wedding in Red"

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The Mentalist invited fans to a "Wedding in Red" this week, as Rigsby popped the question to Grace and the two had one of the quickest engagements on TV.

Below, TV Fanatic Christine Orlando is joined by The Mentalist fans Foresti Purge, @nehakatti and Nerwen Aldarion to debate where McAllister ranks on the Red John list and if Grace's choice in wedding attire was just a little too weird.

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?

Forseti Purge: When Jane ruins the wedding the first time. It's hilarious in a dark, sociopathic way, kind of like drug dealers going to twelve-step meetings to peddle drugs, but this is why we like Jane. IRL he'd be living in a supermax now, but his selling point is that he couldn't care less about limits, and this scene shows us just that.

@nehakatti:  So many amazing scenes! From jane helping Lisbon with her jacket to him sneaking a peek at the wedding. But my favourite, Jane and McAllister analyzing the crime scene while Lisbon looked on. That sense of competition between them was amazing, is what I think a conversation with Red John would look like..

Nerwen Aldarion: The car scene with Rigsby and Cho had me laughing, classic fun between those two. Jane telling Lisbon he was ordained was funny too and I loved her face when he said he could marry her off in a minute (And the sexy way he said 'Don't tempt me' had my Jisbon heart pounding) Jane being the minister is probably one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I'll also admit, while I'm not a die hard Rigspelt fan I thought their wedding was very sweet, particularly watching how Simon Baker played his emotions in that scene.  I know that's like five scenes but I can't ever choose a favorite scene in my life.

Christine: There was something about the way Jane watched from the doorway asWayne and Grace got married. So many emotions played out across his face. Joy for his friends and yet there was a sadness there, perhaps remembering his own wedding and all he'd lost. Kudos to Simon Baker for conveying so much without saying a word.

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McAllister's fear of heights. Did Lisbon and Jane read him wrong or was McAllister playing with Jane all along?

Forseti Purge: He was playing with Jane all along. Beware the man whom nobody fears. He may be the one who knocks.

@nehakatti: I think, McAllister, Smith and Bertrem are working on tricking Jane. He was clearly not afraid of heights even though he acted like it and now Dr. Miller's analysis might also be tainted because of that.

Nerwen Aldarion: Maybe Jane and Lisbon saw what they wanted to see or perhaps it was more about McAllister being none too willing to climb a ladder at the time. I myself don't have an extreme fear of heights but I'll climb a ladder if I have to, if I don't, well then I'll gladly pass the job to someone else. This doesn't seem to eliminate or validate Mcallister as a suspect in any way.

Christine: So confusing…in a really fun way. I have no idea if they just misread the situation or if he's really playing with them but I agree with Foresti…he could be far more dangerous than most believe.

Did you find it odd that Grace kept her wedding dress?

ForsetiPurge: Not really. Jane kept a bloody smiley on his wall.

@nehakatti: It's pretty odd, yes. But so is being engaged to a guy and never knowing he is a psychopath.

Nerwen Aldarion: That she kept it? Not really, I could see her holding on to it as a "what might have been" situation. Her choice in groom was flawed but not her dress. What I did find odd was that she just happened to have her dress in Napa. Who knew every woman carried their wedding dress with them on a case.

Christine:She must have really thought that was the perfect dress because I couldn't imagine wearing the same dress I'd bought to marry a Red John minion. Nerwen, I'm going to go with she somehow had it sent from home…but yeah. It did just kind of magically appear.

Give me your thoughts on Wayne and Grace's wedding. Loved it? Hated it? Or anything in between?

ForsetiPurge: It's an okay wedding, not bad, but not great either. The writers had stretched their relationship as far as they could, and now they've got no more story options left but to marry them.

@nehakatti: I think the wedding was amazing. It would have been perfect if Ben was there.

Nerwen Aldarion: Their wedding was perfect for them, simply and sweet. THe best part was Jane watching from the side. He never likes to display his emotions even when he was genuinely happy for them, most likely because he knew it would also make him sad. That wasn't something he wanted them see.

Christine: I think it was perfect for them. A little rushed perhaps but since I haven't spent years waiting for the moment I thought it was very sweet. But if we ever get a Jisbon wedding I expect a lot more buildup.

Where does Sheriff McAllister rank on your list of Red John suspects?

ForsetiPurge: He is my first. He always has been. As a writer, you can't plan too far ahead, and only 2 out of 7 suspects appeared in Season 1. And Partridge is a textbook Red Herring--nobody, except yours truly of course, would suspect the guy who showed up in the episode after the pilot.

@nehakatti: In the top 3, along with Haffner and Bertrem.

Nerwen Aldarion: McAllister still ranks rather low on my list, perhaps above Smithe now but still below Kirkland, Bertram, Stiles and of course my number one choice, Haffner

Christine: This one had me looking at him in a whole new light. He's a lot smarter than I ever gave him credit for and he certainly had a competitive chemistry with Jane that's I'd expect from Red John. Right now he's my number 2 guy behind Haffner.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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Carobachi, THAT is exactly the reasoning I'm going with re IDing RJ. He HAS to have major resources and the personal freedom to come and go as he wishes. And he HAS to be linked to Stiles, his enabler for whatever reason. Stiles said he knows more than anyone about RJ, he told Jane where RJ had taken Kristina Frye, he got Lorelei out of federal prison. Now THERE is some awesome money and power (he was even a personal friend of Ronald Reagan!) PLUS Visualize being a church with 1st Amendment protection from close investigation, the better to provide cover for RJ. The only question is who is most likely getting this help and protection? Kirkland has all the personal characteristics and I suspect controls Stiles because he found evidence that Stiles killed Farragut to gain control of Visualize back in the Red Barn days. That is a very weak spot for Stiles who likes to say NOTHING will ever be found out about him.

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...and people, McAllister HAD NO fear of heights. We were just supposed to think he did. He didn't overcome it, it was never there. Anyone who is afraid of heights would never be able to fake the kind of comfort he showed strolling across the roof. He looked like he was just walking across the regular ground. Maybe he was a tightrope walker earlier in life... ; )

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(continued)... You see Red John as some sort of uber-alpha dog who can't tolerate anyone thinking he's anything less than running the world. I see Red John as enjoying the necessity of his covert identity, that he's unexpected. If he came on at first with even as much charisma as Stiles, it would draw attention to him. I think part of Red John's deal is that he won't seem as creepy or as smart as he really is. I could sure be wrong, though! That's why it's going to be so fun to see how it shakes out. But this is why I never go for Stiles, and why low men on the totem pole like Haffner or McAllister stay in the running. My vote for most likely is still Haffner, unless Bob Kirkland kills him on his quest to knock off the fake list.

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@rationalgal- referring to what you said about how Red John must have access to money and power so he can play god with people (new identities, moving them, etc.) so he must be in a professional position that makes that possible: I say not necessarily. Especially if he has Stiles as his unwilling/evil fairy godfather. One thing is, he started out as a lone serial killer, and that is not a hobby that ambitious career men tend to get into, personalities that warped don't usually make it so high up the ladder. So I have never seen Red John as being a heavy hitter in his "day job". He may have gained access to money and such from vairous people he indocrinated over the years. OR he may have a wealthy, powerful enabler, as in Stiles. I have thought for a very long time, since the second time Stiles appeared in fact, that Stiles is not Red John but is closely connected to him in some obligatory fashion, either blackmail or familial ties or something like that.

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@Feint, I don't think we can rule anyone out. No matter who he is, Red John is obfuscating and misdirecting to make himself less detectible. Bruno & Co are doing the same: making every suspect look increasingly crazy so we conclude he is Red John (or is too obvious and therefore not Red John), then pulling back to make him seem least likely. It's a game of tennis, back and forth. I bet they are having fun messing with us :) @Red, but I HAVE ruled out Partridge I'm afraid. Too twisted for my brain to figure how they could justify Partridge or his twin being RJ.

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Anybody think Partridge still might be alive and is really Red John. My theory is he had an identical twin brother who he killed or his twin killed him and is really Red John. Just a possibility. Your thoughts?

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I'll throw this here too before the next episode. I'm sure we have all noticed they've made every suspect so much more suspicious now. They are practically rubbing it into our faces that every suspect knows everything and more than Jane, and they are even working together for Red John. So far, the only character we have ruled out as Red John is Kirkland, and this is already from seeing half a minute of a promo video. Until now, he's been the most suspicious one, the one who fits all clues and descriptions. I'm starting to think that's his game. While the rest are increasingly suspicious, this one seems not to have anything to do with Red John, and is in fact hunting him too. It's all a clever ruse, he's Red John. ;)

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McAllister as Red John...well, this is only the third time we've seen him, the first one being around 5 years ago. Back in that episode, he was kind of simple and a little mysterious, but not quite dark enough to be RJ. Episode two of the season, we only saw him for a moment and he didn't really do anything. This time it was like the entire character changed and his behavior was off. Good try making him more suspicious, but he's not Red John. No way. Of the seven suspects, he's just above Smith and Haffner, but still behind the rest, including the already deceased Partridge.

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I enjoyed most of the episode despite it being more of a filler than an important part of the RJ hunt. Favorite scenes were probably Rigsby&Cho's conversation in the car and everything involving McAllister and Jane(these ducks love muffins!). McAllister's fear of heights...quite uninteresting and frankly even weaker than last season's handshake clue. What next? RJ's favorite color is blue and we'll start looking for people who like blue things? Come on. I loved the proposal and the wedding, and this is coming from a person who doesn't care for weddings/marriage irl, much less on TV. It was all good and natural and in my opinion everything belonged there and deserved the screen time. Jane crying was probably the saddest moment of The Mentalist for ages, I sure have missed these signs of him still missing his family.

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@Katempw, cheers!

The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 3 Quotes

Lisbon: Hey Jane. Care to offer your opinion?
Jane: These ducks love muffins.
Lisbon: Very helpful.

Rigsby: Was I snoring again?
Grace: I thought it was a low flying jet.

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