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The Walking Dead Producer Spills on Shocker, "Insane Things" Ahead

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The Walking Dead really did go there on Sunday night.

In a move that still have fans buzzing, Carol shot and killed Lizzie on The Walking Dead Season 4 Episode 14, "The Grove."

Why did the series go there? Why did it follow this shocker with Tyreese actually forgiving his friend? Where could things possibly go next?

Carol with a Gun

Entertainment Weekly spoke with Showrunner Scott Gimple about the development in detail and you can visit the official EW site for this full interview.

A few highlights:

Gimple and the writing team had the storyline in mind from the beginning because something's similar took place in the comic books.

The goal was to build to the moment properly and not create a shocking scene purely for the sake of shock value.

"This was not a story that was sensational," he says. "We weren’t exploiting anything. It was something that was very much a part of Carol’s story and very much these girls’ story and very much a story of this world, and I felt that from the jump we had a very sensitive approach to it. No matter how extreme the end was, we weren’t just doing it for shock."

Why would Tyreese actually forgive Carol for her actions?

"It was very important to me that in the context of such darkness, there be some light," Gimple explained. "And Tyreese is a character, being such a humanistic character, that’s the way I believe he would go.

"I’m not excited about things that are just relentlessly dark - that are just one thing. I get excited about stories that really do show every part of the human experience, and even in that horrible, horrible, horrible situation, there was some good that came out of it. There was grace."

Gimple added that the series, as its “core,” is “hopeful,” but this can be a “crushing” thing because every reminder of something happy is also a reminder of all that has been taken away.

Where could the drama possibly for on The Walking Dead Season 4 Episode 15 and beyond?

"To the emotional conclusion of the season. Both episodes are really big episodes," Gimple teases. "There are some insane things that happen. There are some tragic things that happen, There are some things that happen that are hopeful. And there is just some remarkably dark stuff."

Where do you stand on this shocker? Should Carol have killed Lizzie?


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This article needs a proofreader. Stopped after three sentences.

@ Kelly

And you need a greater attention span, don't blame the writer for your lack thereof.


Lizzie didn't deserve to have a cruel death because she killed her sister. She wasn't right in the head. We don't know this but she might of been seeing a psychiatrist and taking medication before the zombie apocalypse. But in zombie apocalypse you wouldn't have the resources to take care of her and to leave Lizzie by herself to possible hook up with other survivors who have no clue about her mental issues would also be irresponsible as well. Unfortunately Tyrees and the baby would have a tough time making it on his own with out some else keeping watch over her as well. So that's why Carol couldn't just leave Tyrees with Lizzie. I must say the girl who played Lizzie sure did a great job portraying a crazy person.

@ Vampbarbie

Lizzie needed to go. She was a head case and it was either her, or the others would have perished. She lost her mind, and was thinking the Zombies were harmless. If they would have left her alone, she would have been eaten alive, and then become a zombie herself. That is something Carol did not want to live with the rest of her life.


Carol and Daryl? That would have been nice but had everyone forgotten its Daryl and Beth? You think he's going to open up again if she ends up dead? I sure don't. He's going to lock down tight. Although Beth is not his best match, she's the one who brings him out...he won't forget her so easily.

@ nosferatulover

No one cares about beth. She was a horrible character. Getting drunk like her father didn't bring anyone closer to her. Now Darryl is in a wanna be gang, that is just gonna try to rob/kill him, as soon as it benefits them. He is not going to be a part of the crew, he's last in, which means, first out.


Not sure why this was so shocking to everyone. I saw it coming! Lizzie was not right in the head. She had been playing with rats way back, including the dissected one. It was only a matter of time before she killed a person. I did not see it coming that it was Mika though. I did a couple of scenes before she did it. When they were sitting in the living room the night before and she told Carol she knew what she had to do. AT tat moment, it as clear Mika was going to be attacked or killed by Lizzie very soon

@ Jeni

And, it also, wasn't shocking that Lizzie got shot. If I were in their predicament, i'd have shot Lizzie too.


I can't wait to see Rick again. Soooooooooo sad it is almost over again. :(

@ walkingdeadlover

Rick sucks, he has lost his thrill. He no longer provides anything to any group.


Awesome episode! Best show anywhere. I miss Rick.

@ Steve Duncan

Rick sucks, he has lost his thrill. He no longer provides anything to any group.

@ Sean Windley

I totally disagree. If Rick were killed, the show would never be the same.

@ Sean Windley

Gotta agree to an extent. Rick is no longer a lead character, and maybe that is what is intended. I gotta think with all the women going GAGA over Darryl, he's going to have a bigger role.


They should have put lizzie in a room with her sister and let her deal with it. Maybe that would have cured her.

@ christine

That would have been the BEST case scenario. It'd have also been cruel. It might have calmed her down tho.

@ christine

We discussed that they should have left Lizzie alone there with Mika to turn and then pay Lizzie back - - an eye for an eye agreed. However, cons budget and time is prob why they didn't.

@ peanutlee33

Doing that wouldn't have been rewarding Lizzie in her mind. She would have let Zombie Mika turn her. By the point that she killed Mika, Lizzie was beyond help. Her Psychotic break and delusions had progressed to a point where she was a danger to everyone around her. Carol and Tyresse fooled themselves into thinking that the close call earlier had fixed Lizzie's "confusion," but it had only made it worse. In the end, the episode wasn't about trying to fix Lizzie's psychological problems and failing; but instead it was about Carol realizing her own loss of morality as well as emotions and reclaiming them to a degree. Carol and Mika's discussions throughout the episode were there, in my opinion, to demonstrate how unbalanced Carol had become. Sadly, it took Mika's murder by Lizzie and Carol being forced to kill Lizzie for Carol to realize that Mika was (mostly) correct. Killing people is not a good thing; even if it may be necessary at times. Mika could not see any situation in which she could kill another person, but she was just a child and likely if put into a situation where it was absolutely necessary to save a person other than herself I think she would have. The Carol at the start of the episode would have killed Lizzie, and then killed the deer without hesitation; while at the end of the episode she let the deer go; showing how she finally understood why Mika couldn't shoot the living.


umm dude zombies don't "turn" people. that only happens if they bite them and they somehow got away. if mika was in the room with lizzie, she would've eaten her alive. i wouldn't call that "rewarding".


Carol is not unbalanced.........she's doing what she has to do to survive in the zombie apocalypse............this season she's realized that and has come full circle............In season one, Carol was with an abusive husband and wouldn't get close to anyone........


Maggie and Glenn <3 <3 <3
My favorite characters:

@ ILoveMaggie

So... tired of Maggie. I think it's time for her to go.

@ ILoveMaggie

Don't forget Carol and Daryl


I want Glenn to find Maggie <3 and Carol and Daryl to find each other <3

@ thongs&tonguekisses

Me too !


I really enjoyed this episode. I hope Carol finds Daryl again soon though, but boy has she proved not to underestimate her!


Carol is kick ass!
Carol + Daryl= A KICK ASS DUO! <3