There were Lights of Winter on Bates Motel Season 4 Episode 4 and the round table team is discussing where the Dylemma story is heading, Norman's comical side, and how Rebecca might cause problems for the newlyweds, among other things.

TV Fanatics Yana Grebenyuk, Stacy Glanzman, Lisa Babick, Paul Dailly and Carissa Pavlica have started the conversation, so join in with your thoughts in the comments!

Are they setting up Dylan to leave with Emma? If not, where is there story going?

Yana: It seems like the plan is for Dylan and Emma to ride off into the sunset, which must mean they won't. Everything is lining up perfectly for these two so far which really makes me question how long this happiness will last. But the way that this plot has been pushed into the sidelines also must mean we won't get a fully fleshed out progression since the focus will always be more on Norman/Norma.

Stacy: Part of me hopes so, because if they leave they'll be safe. If they stick around, Norman will probably end up killing them both. I like both characters, but with things escalating with Norman, there just isn't enough screen time to give them an interesting story right now.

Lisa: It certainly seems that way, but I don't know. Their escaping the crazy of White Pine Bay and living happily ever after seems way too easy. I have a feeling her dead mom is going to play a big part in interrupting their plans.

Paul: I think there's a high chance that they will leave, but something will bring them back to town. There's no way that the show will end with both of them being fine.

Carissa: Things are definitely sailing too smoothly for the two, aren't they? Their happiness has to come crashing down. So while they're being set up to leave, it seems hard to believe it could be that easy to make their getaway.

Norman was hilarious during the hour. What was his funniest moment?

Yana: The moment that still stands out for me the most has to be when the older patient tries to introduce himself again to Norman and he is clearly done with the whole charade. He is so sure that he is being released that he throws all caution to the wind.

Stacy: I liked watching him try to walk out the front door, like he was actually expecting the guard to let him, no questions asked.

Lisa: The look of exasperation at hearing Julian cry out at the strip club's VIP area when he was Norma and just getting into the whole role play thing.

Paul: The whole role play thing was very weird because it was showing us Norma! I laughed when he put the screw driver on the table, right on display. I doubt the stripper thought that was role play.

Carissa: Right after the older patient Yana mentions, when the orderly tries to get Norman to go to group. Hey! Here's a handy quote of the moment...

Orderly: Norman, they're waiting for you in group.
Norman: Yes, well, I'm not going.
Orderly: Well, you're scheduled to be there. If you're not going, I'm going to have to confine you back to your room.
Norman: OK, Jacob, you obviously didn't get the memo because I am being released today. You can go ask Dr. Edwards.
Orderly: OK [lays hands on Norman].
Norman [pushes him away]: OK! Thank you! Well done! Bad idea! You have obviously no IDEA what's going on in this place! I'm. Being. Released. TODAY.

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What should Norman have done once he was free?

Yana: I was thinking this over and over again and I have no idea. There isn't an obvious place for Norman to go where he would be safe. At best I would suggest Dylan? But even he is siding with Norma so there really isn't anyone in Norman's corner right now.

Stacy: I assumed he was going to go home. He was so anxious about getting home to Norma before the police came. He really didn't seem like he had any plan at all once he was out.

Lisa: He really should have killed Julian and gone home to Mother. At least that's what I thought he was going to do, but I liked that he just went with the flow and enjoyed himself.

Paul: He should have gone home and lied to his mother that he was better.

Carissa: He really should have separated from Julian and gone home and plead his case to Norma. At what point does his self-check-in become mandatory, anyway? 

Would you ever leave behind a hot toddy and a funnel cake?

Yana: .... Yes

Stacy: I've actually never had a hot toddy, but I've heard good things. I definitely would never leave behind a glass of wine though. Funnel cake I could take it or leave it.

Lisa: Maybe the hot toddy, but certainly not the funnel cake! Give me a martini and we'll talk.

Paul: No idea what they are. Oh to be from Scotland.

Carissa: Um, no. I'm not a lunatic.

Other than being problematic for obvious reasons, how do you see Rebecca ruining things for the newlyweds?

Yana: Norma has had issues with truth so if Rebecca was to threaten anything it could be Norma's trust in Alex. Alex and Norma's relationship is flourishing but it's still new and anything big or small could get in the way especially with how slow Norma is approaching it.

Stacy: I agree with Yana. Norma is really starting to fall for Alex now and trust has never been her strong point. It wouldn't take much for her faith to completely crumble, and that's the last thing she needs right now.

Lisa: She's either going to figure out Normero's marriage is a farce, or she's working with the Feds and setting Romero up. Either way, it's going to spell disaster for the happy couple.

Paul: She's going to figure out the terms of the marriage and alert the insurance company. Then she's gonna make Norma's life hell, but to be fair, her life is already hell.

Carissa: Interesting, Lisa, that you think Normero's marriage is a farce. While it might not have been the traditional way people get together, now that they are, I'd say they're happy about it and have finally admitted their feelings. And I totally agree Yana and Stacy. Something will cause Norma to lose faith in Romero. 

What are your thoughts on Norman's breakthrough moment after they were caught and he realized he needed help?

Yana: It's about time but for how long will this last? It's hard to believe that Norman will accept the obvious and will seek help. Where would the story go? I think that Norman's breakthrough is one in an upcoming series. Norman will have to face what he did and what he is capable of doing, so I see denial following this moment of acceptance.

Stacy: First of all, Freddie Highmore did an excellent job, as always. Second, it was such a relief to see Norman finally realize that he truly does need help. Watching him admit how scared he is was really emotional.

Lisa: It was so heartbreaking. I wanted to reach inside the TV and give him a hug. It's too bad he can't hold on to that realization and use it to help push him toward some sort of recovery. Unfortunately, we know Mother won't allow it.

Paul: Freddie is a great actor, but somehow I think this is a ploy to get the doctor on his side.

Carissa: It was perfect. There was no way Norma could have been there. He finally realizes he can't trust what he thought were his truths. But Norma is so strong within him that she'll eventually win. It's sad for the boy who still resides inside the damaged man to be going through this.

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