Gossip Girl Round Table: "The Backup Dan" Comments (Page 2)
156 Comments
dover
February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
@ Ilovechair: :) I will too concentrate on Nate, Serena and Chuck. Throw in Jack and Georgina and maybe something awesome will happen! I'm not particulary interested in any of the pairings at the moment. Maybe once it'll be clear who ends up with who I'll pay more attention to the ships.
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 4:38 PM
@Anonymous I guess you're right. It isn't just Dair. But this back and forth with Chair and Dair on top of that is really horrible. If they want to follow the dair romance storyline, that's okay. But I don't understand why they can't give Chuck some other interesting storyline that's not including pining for Blair. They either should let Chair be together and stop with this stupid obstacles, or they should keep them apart for some time and let them both move on and have some interesting storylines. But naturally I want a chair reunion after that;-)
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 4:37 PM
@dover Yes, it's true all of these storylines with Louis, Serena, Chair, Dair, the pact, the pregnancy etc combined are this terrible mess = season 5. I wish the writers would at least now choose one storyline and do that consequently. This back and forth with Chair and then Dair on top of that is really too much for me. I'm going to concentrate on Chuck, Nate and Serena from now on. I really look forward to Jack's return. Chuck and Jack still have the best oneliners on the show!
dover
February 9th, 2012 4:31 PM
cont.
I still prefer Dair as friends though. But if those two became a couple, the show wouldn't be as bad as it is now I believe.
dover
February 9th, 2012 4:21 PM
@ Anonymous: The writers don't want any of the characters to have a real life. Dan is pining after Blair who spends the whole season choosing between the various men in her life, while Chuck pines after her. Add Serena with her unrequited love. This isn't either of the pairings' fault. All the ships, Dair, Chair or Derena, would have worked just fine if the writers had just dropped the nonsense love-pentagon. If Blair chose Dan, Serena and Chuck could go on with their lives. If Blair chose Chuck, Dan could either go back to Serena or evolve as a writer perhaps? And so on and so forth. This "will they or won't they" is sucking the life out of the show, not the ships themselves.
Anonymous
February 9th, 2012 4:06 PM
@Ilovechair It's not because of Dair, the writers have made it clear that they're going to continue with Chair on/off for the rest of the series, so expect more pathetic excuses/obstacles. Chuck can be redeemed, but that's not what the writers did, they're constantly reverting his character back so then he can 'change' himself again and again after ruining his character some more. The writers pretty much threw out the 'changed' Chuck and turned him into someone pathetically pining for Blair, I guess the writers don't want Chuck to have a real life anymore outside Blair. How many times must we see Chuck try to get to Blair only for her to make up some pathetic excuse about a pact to God or a dowry?
dover
February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM
@ Ilovechair: I don't think Dair is totally impossible. I believe that if the writers would have chosen a clear route and taken their time to properly develop their relationship, then somehow, someday the couple would have a chance to work out. But they just have way too many issues (Chuck, Serena, UES/Brooklyn, their former hate etc.) to deal with in one season and thus they seem so rushed and contrived. And then add the prince and you've got this terrible mess. The writers screwed themselves over by not choosing to take one path with the characters. I agree that they basically destroyed Dan and Blair this season. It really would have been better to let them stay friends, I actually enjoyed that.
And I also very much hope for a better storyline for the Bass men! Something fun and happy, please!
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 3:18 PM
So I don't understand why the writers have to destroy two characters just to have a couple which won't be together for too long. Wouldn't it been better to let Dair stay friends, then the writers wouldn't have to destroy the characters.With Chuck losing his friendship to Nate I meant that they weren't friends after that came out with Chuck and Blair in s1 but reconciled in the s1 finale. I think that Chuck can redeem himself and imo he is on a good way. He has made a lot of mistakes but unlike any other of the characters on the show he had to face the consequences of his actions.
@dover I completely agree with your post. Hopefully Jack's return to the show will give Chuck a storyline which doesn't include pining for Blair. So Jack's really my last hope. Although I hope that Chuck doesn't get another mommy storyline. I want Chuck to have some fun.
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 3:17 PM
@Anonymous I agree that the writers are really good at destroying characters and the writing is awful. They turned Blair into that annoying and indecisive version of herself. But this did not happen because of chair but because of Dair. It is too ooc for Dan and Blair to be in a romantic relationship. So in order to do it they had to change the characters completely. Dan did probably send the blast. That is totally ooc for him. He has always been judgemental but he has been the most moral person on the show until this season. Now he is just interested in Blair and does all of that stuff to get closer to her. The writers admitted on twitter that Blair isn't herself this season. The same goes for Dan.
dover
February 9th, 2012 2:42 PM
@ Anonymous: But it isn't Chair that ruined Blair's character this season, it is the forced love-triangle. The season was okay until ep 11 when the ridiculous god pact was introduced and it only got worse from there. Had they let Chair get together in ep 10, the rest of the season could have focused on developing all characters and letting them mature. But instead they try to appease all fans and thus the characters are all stagnating and can't move forward.
I also think that they did a good job in redeeming Chuck this season. In earlier seasons he may have seemed redeemed when everything was well, but as soon as something terrible happened to him (Bart's death, fake mother, Bart possibly killing someone etc.), he soon went back to his old ways. This season Chuck had plenty of opportunities to become "evil" again, but he always dealt with the issue in a more mature way. This leads me to believe that this change will last, but I wish he'd stop pining for Blair.
Anonymous
February 9th, 2012 12:54 PM
@Ilovechair The writers ruined Blair's character, they turned her into a whiny, pathetic character, the writers only seem to know how to wreck characters and relationships. Trading someone for a hotel as if Blair was a piece of his property to Jack and almost punching her in Season 4 are much more serious, which is why they're being brought up. The writing is awful, they can't do a redemption storyline properly and Chuck is a prime example of that, how many times do we have to go through "Chuck has changed" before he constantly reverts back to his old self? Chuck still has Nate as a best friend, why do you think he's usually lounging around at his place, sometimes they talk, he's just not involved with this whole stupid Blair drama right now. Chuck and Blair still have the on/off crap and the excuses are getting worse. The terrible writing has ruined Chuck and other characters as well, the Louis storyline wasn't needed at all.
junior
February 9th, 2012 8:46 AM
@Ilovechair He lied by omission but what people doesn't know doesn't hurt. Maybe he knew Blair would not listen. Being a friend and being honest don't add up sometimes. Blair is in "magical thinking" mode. She doesn't respond to logic. As for the vows, Dan saw a subliminal way to declare his feelings. The same applies for his book. Blair is very labile. Dan and Blair have a complex representation of each other. Dan did the transfiguration of her "image" faster than Blair. This one has to be forced by Dan to get there.
Dan did it. Not sure. Georgina only has "sending by Dan Humpfrey". What they don't know how to use a bogus address, a proxy from Russia and trick a smtp server. That's lame !
I don't see why it's a bad thing Dan sending the video. He helped Blair against her will but he saved her from slowly deception been married to Louis. The position of Chuck and Serena is the same. By the way, if it was so bad why Blair is not furious with Serena ? The blast was just a trigger for a latent problem.
Everybody lies. Sometimes the solution is not the one making happy the beneficiary at the present moment. Of course, he has an interest but who doesn't ?
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 5:43 AM
...And Chuck has made a lot of mistakes and he didn't get away with anything. He lost his best friend after sleeping with Blair, he lost Blair after the hotel incident, he got punched by Dan twice because of Jenny, he got shot at in Prague and I could continue the list. So he has made a lot of mistakes but he has paid for every single one of them. He isn't a good person, he was at times a really horrible boyfriend for Blair but he is trying to be a better person, he wants Blair to be happy. He voted for Blair so that she could become prom queen, he got her into columbia, he let her go so she could marry Louis, he accepted Blair's baby and wanted to be there for her. I really don't understand the hate towards Chuck.
Ilovechair
February 9th, 2012 5:42 AM
@Anonymous You are right Serena did treat him and Nate like crap. All characters on the show are really horrible friends. But you wrote that Dan made fun of his father in his book and that they got through it. That's probably true although I did not see a scene where Dan apologized and Rufus accepted the apology but maybe I don't remember it. My point is that Blair forgave Chuck for the hotel incident and still Dair fans keep bringing that up. Blair and Chuck got over that too, so why do people keep bringing that up? I know that making fun of someone and trading someone for a hotel are two completely different things. But in both cases one person forgives the other,so why can't we just move on?
fan
February 9th, 2012 5:02 AM
(cont...)Based on that and judging by how they crafted the last scene, I interepret it as Dan (somehow, I don't know yet how he would the 'secret') having the material to blackmail someone (being Louis) rather than Dan being the one being blackmailed. They also said somewhere that someone unexpected will be the inspiration to dan's new novel and i think it might be louis (as someone else had suggested) and he will be revealing the true nature of louis and his family and through that..Louis will grant blair a divorce....and that will be how she will get out of it. i don't see blair staying married to louis for an entire year...i think it will make her storyline either far to bland or way too complicated with the whole Dan/chuck entanglements.....whilst it may be gossip girl...i still don't believe it would openly condone extra-marrital affairs and be quite blatant abt it..any 'affairs' on the show have been always made to be 'discreet' until they were discovered......
fan
February 9th, 2012 5:01 AM
(cont..) Another reason why it wasn't Dan is that everyone except Dan was in or around that bridal room..dan was the only one who you can presume as it was not shown other wise to have been in the main church area the entire time. Serena, Blair, Chuck, Louis, his mother, Eleanor, even Rufus, Lily and Georgina all had access to the bridal room or were seen in the bridal room at some point in the episode or all had a reason to be there besides Dan.
But remember when rufus and lily caught georgina waiting for Louis, Louis was already going back to meet her (thinking it was his sister) so he would have been around the back area/bridal room the same time Chuck and Blair were havign their conversation (as with georgina) and he quite possibly have seen the whole thing unfolded - and thus manipulated everything to make him look like the innocent party... (to be cont..)
fan
February 9th, 2012 5:00 AM
After having watched it again. I'm taking a punt in saying that it was Louis who posted the video ( maybe on dan's phone so that no one could suspect him, and he would be the one everyone would least expect as there was no apparent motive that was shown in the entire show for why he would do it..) Every other person, besides Nate (who seems oblivious to anything that's really happening at the moment) was shown to have some sort of a 'motive' to ruin the wedding..serena-wanting to save her BFF, Chuck-wanting blair to marry him, Dan-knowing why blair was marrying louis in the first place, and Eleanor-thinking that blair wanted to be with chuck and was unsure of her choice after freakign out!!. (to be cont..)
Swede the Dairfan
February 9th, 2012 3:51 AM
Let us all hope the writers/producers will dare a Dair ending :)
I just love the interraction between the two characters keep
up the good work all ppl that helps creating this superb serial.
pty
February 9th, 2012 1:26 AM
@ kevin: excuse me, what? Dan is a fictional character, and even if he wasn't, nobody put a gun to his head or the writers heads for that matter to force that event, as many of you like to point out regarding other issues, it was the writers decision and nobody in the fandom had a saying on it.
Serena: Congratulations, you've officially joined the dark side.
February 9th, 2012 5:50 PM
@ Ilovechair: :) I will too concentrate on Nate, Serena and Chuck. Throw in Jack and Georgina and maybe something awesome will happen! I'm not particulary interested in any of the pairings at the moment. Maybe once it'll be clear who ends up with who I'll pay more attention to the ships.
February 9th, 2012 4:38 PM
@Anonymous I guess you're right. It isn't just Dair. But this back and forth with Chair and Dair on top of that is really horrible. If they want to follow the dair romance storyline, that's okay. But I don't understand why they can't give Chuck some other interesting storyline that's not including pining for Blair. They either should let Chair be together and stop with this stupid obstacles, or they should keep them apart for some time and let them both move on and have some interesting storylines. But naturally I want a chair reunion after that;-)
February 9th, 2012 4:37 PM
@dover Yes, it's true all of these storylines with Louis, Serena, Chair, Dair, the pact, the pregnancy etc combined are this terrible mess = season 5. I wish the writers would at least now choose one storyline and do that consequently. This back and forth with Chair and then Dair on top of that is really too much for me. I'm going to concentrate on Chuck, Nate and Serena from now on. I really look forward to Jack's return. Chuck and Jack still have the best oneliners on the show!
February 9th, 2012 4:31 PM
cont.
I still prefer Dair as friends though. But if those two became a couple, the show wouldn't be as bad as it is now I believe.
February 9th, 2012 4:21 PM
@ Anonymous: The writers don't want any of the characters to have a real life. Dan is pining after Blair who spends the whole season choosing between the various men in her life, while Chuck pines after her. Add Serena with her unrequited love. This isn't either of the pairings' fault. All the ships, Dair, Chair or Derena, would have worked just fine if the writers had just dropped the nonsense love-pentagon. If Blair chose Dan, Serena and Chuck could go on with their lives. If Blair chose Chuck, Dan could either go back to Serena or evolve as a writer perhaps? And so on and so forth. This "will they or won't they" is sucking the life out of the show, not the ships themselves.
February 9th, 2012 4:06 PM
@Ilovechair It's not because of Dair, the writers have made it clear that they're going to continue with Chair on/off for the rest of the series, so expect more pathetic excuses/obstacles. Chuck can be redeemed, but that's not what the writers did, they're constantly reverting his character back so then he can 'change' himself again and again after ruining his character some more. The writers pretty much threw out the 'changed' Chuck and turned him into someone pathetically pining for Blair, I guess the writers don't want Chuck to have a real life anymore outside Blair. How many times must we see Chuck try to get to Blair only for her to make up some pathetic excuse about a pact to God or a dowry?
February 9th, 2012 4:02 PM
@ Ilovechair: I don't think Dair is totally impossible. I believe that if the writers would have chosen a clear route and taken their time to properly develop their relationship, then somehow, someday the couple would have a chance to work out. But they just have way too many issues (Chuck, Serena, UES/Brooklyn, their former hate etc.) to deal with in one season and thus they seem so rushed and contrived. And then add the prince and you've got this terrible mess. The writers screwed themselves over by not choosing to take one path with the characters. I agree that they basically destroyed Dan and Blair this season. It really would have been better to let them stay friends, I actually enjoyed that.
And I also very much hope for a better storyline for the Bass men! Something fun and happy, please!
February 9th, 2012 3:18 PM
So I don't understand why the writers have to destroy two characters just to have a couple which won't be together for too long. Wouldn't it been better to let Dair stay friends, then the writers wouldn't have to destroy the characters.With Chuck losing his friendship to Nate I meant that they weren't friends after that came out with Chuck and Blair in s1 but reconciled in the s1 finale. I think that Chuck can redeem himself and imo he is on a good way. He has made a lot of mistakes but unlike any other of the characters on the show he had to face the consequences of his actions.
@dover I completely agree with your post. Hopefully Jack's return to the show will give Chuck a storyline which doesn't include pining for Blair. So Jack's really my last hope. Although I hope that Chuck doesn't get another mommy storyline. I want Chuck to have some fun.
February 9th, 2012 3:17 PM
@Anonymous I agree that the writers are really good at destroying characters and the writing is awful. They turned Blair into that annoying and indecisive version of herself. But this did not happen because of chair but because of Dair. It is too ooc for Dan and Blair to be in a romantic relationship. So in order to do it they had to change the characters completely. Dan did probably send the blast. That is totally ooc for him. He has always been judgemental but he has been the most moral person on the show until this season. Now he is just interested in Blair and does all of that stuff to get closer to her. The writers admitted on twitter that Blair isn't herself this season. The same goes for Dan.
February 9th, 2012 2:42 PM
@ Anonymous: But it isn't Chair that ruined Blair's character this season, it is the forced love-triangle. The season was okay until ep 11 when the ridiculous god pact was introduced and it only got worse from there. Had they let Chair get together in ep 10, the rest of the season could have focused on developing all characters and letting them mature. But instead they try to appease all fans and thus the characters are all stagnating and can't move forward.
I also think that they did a good job in redeeming Chuck this season. In earlier seasons he may have seemed redeemed when everything was well, but as soon as something terrible happened to him (Bart's death, fake mother, Bart possibly killing someone etc.), he soon went back to his old ways. This season Chuck had plenty of opportunities to become "evil" again, but he always dealt with the issue in a more mature way. This leads me to believe that this change will last, but I wish he'd stop pining for Blair.
February 9th, 2012 12:54 PM
@Ilovechair The writers ruined Blair's character, they turned her into a whiny, pathetic character, the writers only seem to know how to wreck characters and relationships. Trading someone for a hotel as if Blair was a piece of his property to Jack and almost punching her in Season 4 are much more serious, which is why they're being brought up. The writing is awful, they can't do a redemption storyline properly and Chuck is a prime example of that, how many times do we have to go through "Chuck has changed" before he constantly reverts back to his old self? Chuck still has Nate as a best friend, why do you think he's usually lounging around at his place, sometimes they talk, he's just not involved with this whole stupid Blair drama right now. Chuck and Blair still have the on/off crap and the excuses are getting worse. The terrible writing has ruined Chuck and other characters as well, the Louis storyline wasn't needed at all.
February 9th, 2012 8:46 AM
@Ilovechair He lied by omission but what people doesn't know doesn't hurt. Maybe he knew Blair would not listen. Being a friend and being honest don't add up sometimes. Blair is in "magical thinking" mode. She doesn't respond to logic. As for the vows, Dan saw a subliminal way to declare his feelings. The same applies for his book. Blair is very labile. Dan and Blair have a complex representation of each other. Dan did the transfiguration of her "image" faster than Blair. This one has to be forced by Dan to get there.
February 9th, 2012 8:11 AM
@junior I don't know if Dan did send the video or not, the preview could be misleading and there might be a twist. But the problem with sending the video is that Dan was not being honest. Why did he write Louis' vows in the first place? Why didn't he tell Blair that her fiancé isn't even capable of writing his vows? A good friend would have told her the truth. Besides if he sent the video, why did he blame Chuck? Wouldn't it be better to keep his mouth shut and not accuse another person? Dan has always been judgemental but he has always been the most moral person on GG until this season and I liked that about him. This a very ooc behaviour for Dan and I find it annoying. But it just proves my theory that Dair is too ooc for Blair and Dan and in order to make them a couple they have to change the characters completely. The gg writers admitted on twitter that Blair isn't herself this season. The same goes for Dan.
February 9th, 2012 6:35 AM
@Amayra but georgina doesn't want to do that.
February 9th, 2012 6:33 AM
@pty what are you talking about?
February 9th, 2012 6:33 AM
Dan did it. Not sure. Georgina only has "sending by Dan Humpfrey". What they don't know how to use a bogus address, a proxy from Russia and trick a smtp server. That's lame !
Rank: Extra
February 9th, 2012 6:15 AM
5x15 sneak peek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15whjHA5VFw
Yep- Dan did it and Georgina pwns him now.
February 9th, 2012 5:59 AM
I don't see why it's a bad thing Dan sending the video. He helped Blair against her will but he saved her from slowly deception been married to Louis. The position of Chuck and Serena is the same. By the way, if it was so bad why Blair is not furious with Serena ? The blast was just a trigger for a latent problem.
Everybody lies. Sometimes the solution is not the one making happy the beneficiary at the present moment. Of course, he has an interest but who doesn't ?
February 9th, 2012 5:43 AM
...And Chuck has made a lot of mistakes and he didn't get away with anything. He lost his best friend after sleeping with Blair, he lost Blair after the hotel incident, he got punched by Dan twice because of Jenny, he got shot at in Prague and I could continue the list. So he has made a lot of mistakes but he has paid for every single one of them. He isn't a good person, he was at times a really horrible boyfriend for Blair but he is trying to be a better person, he wants Blair to be happy. He voted for Blair so that she could become prom queen, he got her into columbia, he let her go so she could marry Louis, he accepted Blair's baby and wanted to be there for her. I really don't understand the hate towards Chuck.
February 9th, 2012 5:42 AM
@Anonymous You are right Serena did treat him and Nate like crap. All characters on the show are really horrible friends. But you wrote that Dan made fun of his father in his book and that they got through it. That's probably true although I did not see a scene where Dan apologized and Rufus accepted the apology but maybe I don't remember it. My point is that Blair forgave Chuck for the hotel incident and still Dair fans keep bringing that up. Blair and Chuck got over that too, so why do people keep bringing that up? I know that making fun of someone and trading someone for a hotel are two completely different things. But in both cases one person forgives the other,so why can't we just move on?
February 9th, 2012 5:02 AM
(cont...)Based on that and judging by how they crafted the last scene, I interepret it as Dan (somehow, I don't know yet how he would the 'secret') having the material to blackmail someone (being Louis) rather than Dan being the one being blackmailed. They also said somewhere that someone unexpected will be the inspiration to dan's new novel and i think it might be louis (as someone else had suggested) and he will be revealing the true nature of louis and his family and through that..Louis will grant blair a divorce....and that will be how she will get out of it. i don't see blair staying married to louis for an entire year...i think it will make her storyline either far to bland or way too complicated with the whole Dan/chuck entanglements.....whilst it may be gossip girl...i still don't believe it would openly condone extra-marrital affairs and be quite blatant abt it..any 'affairs' on the show have been always made to be 'discreet' until they were discovered......
February 9th, 2012 5:01 AM
(cont..) Another reason why it wasn't Dan is that everyone except Dan was in or around that bridal room..dan was the only one who you can presume as it was not shown other wise to have been in the main church area the entire time. Serena, Blair, Chuck, Louis, his mother, Eleanor, even Rufus, Lily and Georgina all had access to the bridal room or were seen in the bridal room at some point in the episode or all had a reason to be there besides Dan.
But remember when rufus and lily caught georgina waiting for Louis, Louis was already going back to meet her (thinking it was his sister) so he would have been around the back area/bridal room the same time Chuck and Blair were havign their conversation (as with georgina) and he quite possibly have seen the whole thing unfolded - and thus manipulated everything to make him look like the innocent party... (to be cont..)
February 9th, 2012 5:00 AM
After having watched it again. I'm taking a punt in saying that it was Louis who posted the video ( maybe on dan's phone so that no one could suspect him, and he would be the one everyone would least expect as there was no apparent motive that was shown in the entire show for why he would do it..) Every other person, besides Nate (who seems oblivious to anything that's really happening at the moment) was shown to have some sort of a 'motive' to ruin the wedding..serena-wanting to save her BFF, Chuck-wanting blair to marry him, Dan-knowing why blair was marrying louis in the first place, and Eleanor-thinking that blair wanted to be with chuck and was unsure of her choice after freakign out!!. (to be cont..)
February 9th, 2012 3:51 AM
Let us all hope the writers/producers will dare a Dair ending :)
I just love the interraction between the two characters keep
up the good work all ppl that helps creating this superb serial.
February 9th, 2012 1:26 AM
@ kevin: excuse me, what? Dan is a fictional character, and even if he wasn't, nobody put a gun to his head or the writers heads for that matter to force that event, as many of you like to point out regarding other issues, it was the writers decision and nobody in the fandom had a saying on it.