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One eensy problem with Stiles being Red John. The woman who "knows" him, blind though she may be, recognizes his voice, doesn't she? And isn't Stiles a public figure? Hasn't he been interviewed? I do like this show. The characters are fun to spend time with, it's not conflict-ridden, a relaxing mystery each week with a story arc mystery as well. But I agree with the call for Mo Cho!
I do think there is a story line for Lisbon. She pretty much raised her three "near feral" brothers after her mother was killed in a car accident and her father became an abusive drunk. No wonder she's so no-nonsense focused on her law enforcement career. Also competitive as a track star in school. GREAT actor too. Check out her reaction in Season 1 to Jane's revelation about him being in a locked psyche ward. Tremendous depth of comassion and understanding. Yes, it's crap that the writers drop story lines so often, tho they do pick them up later. I expect the Lisbon/brother/niece plot line will reappear. I can see its possibilities for some major development. Cho has a good story line too. Only Riggby and Van Pelt are empty shells. Nothing much to show why they are who they are.
Meh. I'm a little unconvinced w.r.t. Grace. After through all that with O'Laughlin, she's willingly giving herself over to Stiles? I mean.. no lesson learned?? She's either really really really gullible or... I don't know. Just dumb.
Lisbon has no storyline in terms of her brother and niece whatsoever. That was ONE episode in which she by the way acted totally different to how she does in the rets of season 4, in that episode the old fierce Lisbon seemed to be back full force - but like the whole "subplot" they totally dropped that too after the episode aired. I know the writers tends to drop storylines like they want but it's really getting annoying for people who really invest in other character besides Jane.
Lisbon is written so inconsistent this season I can hardly enjoy her anymore nor do I recognize the character from previous seasons. She is just a shadow of her former self.
And I highly doubt that her brother or niece will show up any time soon again.
This show is so great !
Especially loved the tense relations between Jane, Red John and Stiles.
All very bright and intelligent characters. and Stiles does keep in touch with what Patrick is doing.
Loved the music at the ending of the episode !
Visualize HAS to be the hive from which we get Red John (however many there are). It is a worldwide cult. Where else would Red John get all these blindly loyal, devoted minions? I suspect there is a mastermind behind this whole Red John enterprise, whom we may or may not have seen yet. As for Lisbon, she has a story line in her brother and niece. We met them a few episodes back and I saw the makings of a great sub plot there, especially with Lisbon's niece Annie, whom Jane taught to pickpocket and she was a natural for it. A budding mentalist. There was a hint of something bad to happen to Lisbon's brother, so maybe Annie will be a feature in the ongoing plot development. I hope so. She was a real charmer.
I think Grace still could go under Stiles' power at some point in the season. It's possible that she could be the weak link to the season finale.
But I'm hoping not. McDowell plays this part very well, and I'm sure we have not seen the last of him. I think that it is also possible that Stiles could be Red John, but not 100% convinced as yet. I think he will play a big part either way, if they ever decide to put the Red John issue to rest. We thought it was over at the end of last season, but it turned out not to be. I'm also a little leary of Lisbon's young boss being one of Red John's employees. Who knows.
This is a great show, but as I had last week, Cho needs more screen time.
@Cathy: I agree that Lisbon needs some kind of advancement in her character, but I think the right direction has already been suggested a few months ago when she started using her own "Mentalist" powers to track a murderer. It's time she really became Patrick's disciple and started to develop her own abilities.
I miss the old Lisbon. Even if she trusts Jane so much now, she still is the only character right now that doesn't have a storyline. Cho has Summer and his upcoming painkiller issues, Rigsby has Sarah and the baby, Grace has all sorts of problems and now this thing with Bret Stiles.
Give the woman something to DO please, instead of her running after Jane, cleaning up his mess and being totally fine with it.
Any chance Grace is playing Stiles in hopes of infiltrating Visualize? Remember when she was an uptight Christian when this series first aired? They sure dropped that really quickly.
Remember the "he is man" clue they found about Red John? It's possible it was intended to say "his is many," in which case it's possible that Jane killed the Red John who killed his family, but it just wasn't Red John No. 1.
Stiles framed himself to flush out his enemy(ies)! Jane figured it out and helped Stiles to get Stiles to owe him. Jane/Stiles and Grace/Stiles had great scenes. Lisbon trusts Jane so much now. More red herrings :(
@rationalgal: I feel the same way about Grace potentially being the weak link and when she was talking to Stiles I was yelling at the TV – “Don’t let him get into your head Grace! RUN!!!” LOL. Can’t wait to see where the writers take this. Love Malcolm McDowell. I don’t think Stiles is Red John. Perhaps Jane will call on the favour Stiles owes him to take down RJ. Love this show!
Anyone think that Red John could be associated with Visualize or Stiles in some way? I'm going out on a limb here because everyone seemed to notice Stiles knew a little too much of Jane and a lot of the "red" references too.
Great episode! I am getting concerned about Grace Van Pelt. Notice that every time she talked with Stiles the background music was definitely ominous. She has a strong tendency to be gullible and It's more than likely she was buying into Stiles' manipulation. It appears the episodes are building up to a major Red John season finale, possibly involving a betrayal by Grace - unwitting, of course, due to her gullibility - just as she inadvertently caused the murder (by O'Laughlin) of those two policemen who were guarding Hightower at the end of Season 3. She is obviously having serious personal problems that spell trouble all around. Shouldn't Jane be suspecting this, given his ability to read people in such detail?
I think the biggest thing to come out of this episode is that Stiles know "owes" Jane a favor. I know that it will come into play somewhere down the line. And the Grace/Stiles interactions were very interesting. I like her character much more this year.
The Return of the Guest Stars Strikes Again!
Since his stint on the season premiere of Psych, I've been waiting for Malcolm McDowell's return to Mentalist and I was not disappointed. After Morena Baccarin's excellent return last week, it seems the writers are giving us our favorite guest stars of the past to us all in one shot. Not that I mind. I thought the Red John teases were great and I'm hoping mopey, anger management Grace is gone for good, thanks to Stiles. I liked how both Jane and Stiles knew each was playing the other, but let the whole thing play out just to see how things would turn out. I was hoping a little that Grace would join Visualize so we could get more Malcolm McDowell and that would give her character a fresh point for the writers to start from. The lack of Cho was a a bit of a bummer, but a Top 5 episode of this season for sure.
I'm not sure Grace is out of the woods yet. We may just return to this angle later. Has she gone for therapy yet? I can't remember. But keep in mind that unless you go to a proper, licensed trauma-therapy guru, you can never ever, ever recover from trauma. So unless she's undergone official indoctrination, that means she's till vulnerable to Stiles' indoctrination.
Also, I'm always a bit put out by the effectiveness of these New Age techniques on TV. "Visualise your anger as a red cloud"? Really? Sure. That works. Just like Counsellor Troi's recommendation to rub your earlobe to get rid of a headache.
But that's beside the point.
As for Stiles being Red John? I sure hope not. I respect Stiles more than that.
And like Wendi, I'm also happy with the fact that Lisbon no loner distrusts everything Patrick does. It's fine at the beginning, but after a few years you expect she'd know that his "hunches" are worth a dozen hours of forensics.
I seem to be the only one who doesn't want more of Stiles. I hate smug, and I get tired of characters who keep playing superior in all situations, with all people. Someone needs to smack that "I'm so far above you that I'll just keep playing with you for my own amusement" look off his face.
The relationship between Jane and Stiles is one of the most interesting ones on any TV show. I don't believe for a moment Stiles is Red John. But he has a lot in common with Jane... only perverted into a cult following. He the "evil twin" yet his fondness for Jane is obvious. His character is too overpowering to be on often, but he's a hoot to watch.
I like that Jane has more power in the CBI & how Lisbon has come to trust him. Her quiet yet obvious jealousy over Erica Flynn made her more vulnerable than before. Jane's fascination with Flynn is rather sad. She is so phony.
Grace did a great job listening to Stiles, even benefit from his advice, but she's no fool. Keeping a good relationship with him is wise of her. Later, Grace will be the one person besides Jane who can get to him. She deserves more credit.
I would like to see more of Cho. He's is so subtly funny and kind. It was three seasons before we saw him laugh. A fantastic crew and well cast.
Yes, there will be be a rematch, can't wait.
This was indeed a very convoluted episode and I knew as soon as Hill professed allegience to Stiles that she was the one. It was interesting how Stiles used the CBI to his own advantage and how well he knows Jane. The writers are taking us down a very murky road this season, less banter and more guts. Simon I thought is looking a bit tired, too many long days and he is much younger looking in person. Let him get some rest will ya!
I'm not so sure Stiles is Red John, but he's an interesting character. I hope we see Stiles again. I thought Grace brought a lot of questions to the cult and it's leader. She seemed 'taken' with Stiles abilities. Patrick was as quick and smart as usual. Love this show.
Ithink Jane has Stiles pretty much figured out. I'd loveto know how Stiles has so much info abut Jane and Red John.Iloved all the red references.IhopeGrace isn't going tobe drawn into thecult. I lovedtheepisode.Sorry new computer and a keyboard I am having trouble figuring outr.
I love it . Simon Baker is adorable . Great episode.
I have always thought that Stiles was "Red John" but last night's episode cinched it.
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