Revenge Round Table: "Destiny"
Sunday's Revenge Season 2 premiere marked the return of ABC's incredibly entertaining guilty pleasure, setting the stage for the fall by answering some mysteries and, in typical fashion, presenting many more.
TV Fanatic's Steve Marsi, Matt Richenthal, Christine Orlando, Chandel Charles and Leigh Raines break down all facets of "Destiny" and look ahead to next week and beyond in this week's Round Table.
Weigh in with your own responses to our Q&A session below!
1. What was the biggest shocker of the premiere?
Matt: The total and utter lack of Lydia being mentioned. At least give the poor, presumably dead woman a shout-out. Is that how you treat all your mistresses, Conrad?
Chandel: That Victoria was still alive. I had held out hope, but confirmation of her survival made it all the more satisfying.
Leigh: Biggest shocker for me was that Conrad had gone so dark he was keeping his own daughter in rehab. Charlotte was always his soft spot.
Christine: I've got to agree with Leigh. Conrad is one cold-hearted bastard to lock his daughter away to get her inheritance to save his company. Now I'm really hoping Victoria and Emily take him down.
Steve: That the Stowaway failed the inspection. Just kidding. I wasn't shocked that Victoria is alive, but the way it was revealed was a jaw-dropper, as was her ordering the WHM to off Ems on Clam Cam.
2. What were your favorite Nolan Ross quotes?
Matt: Referring to Jack as "Jack Daddy." The reference to Victoria's "talons" and any use of "cray cray" made this a close contest, though.
Chandel: Nolan's exclamation of "Holy moly" when Emily came in to tell him that Victoria was still alive. Stuff like that coming out of his mouth is priceless.
Leigh: This is too hard to pick!!! I have missed Nolan so much. His comment wondering if Victoria was somewhere "looking up at us" was pretty spot on.
Christine: Do I really have to chose just one? There were so many. For me it's a tie between "All that's missing are the flesh-eathing zombies" and "Clam cam. I like it."
Steve: "Great. Seance, anyone?"
3. Conrad or Victoria: Who do you love to hate more?
Matt: Victoria. Conrad is pure evil at this point. The guy seemed giddy that his wife was dead! (Perhaps because he plotted said, supposed death, but still.) Victoria, however, makes you think she has a soft and vulnerable side and may be coming around to Emily after all… only to break your heart all over again. That wench!
Chandel: Always Victoria, because I know that she would make an epic ally against Conrad if her and Emily could just team up.
Leigh: It switches week to week. They are both deplorable. Conrad is sometimes amusing at least.
Christine: As despicable as Victoria can be, there's still something about her that I like, even though I can't explain it.
Steve: Agree with Christine completely, and this speaks to Madeleine Stowe's brilliantly nuanced portrayal. Going with Conrad this week, though. It's one thing to be soulless and evil, but the unabashedly snide comments and the way he goes about his business are borderline hilarious and make that character entertaining as well.
4. More awkward: Takeda being re-cast, or Jack's lack of chemistry with Amanda?
Matt: The latter. Who among us hasn't been forced to ask the woman pretending to be our childhood crush whether or not she was actually carrying our baby? That's never an easy conversation to have.
Chandel: I think the Takeda recast was actually OK. Therefore I'm gonna have to go with the lack of chemistry between Amanda and Jack. That was very awkward.
Leigh: Takeda being recast, definitely. There's not supposed to be chemistry between Jack and Amanda and there's no way that he's the babydaddy. It took me many years to understand why they recast Aunt Viv on Fresh Prince of Bel Air so it's safe to say I wasn't digging the new Takeda.
Christine: The Takeda recast was pretty bad and if you hadn't read about it ahead of time I can imagine people wondering who the Hell is this?
Steve: Takeda. As Leigh said, he's not supposed to have it with Amanda. On a related note, Jack's lack of chemistry with Emily makes it hard to see them as a possible match, despite the show's obvious overtures.
Matt: OMG, IDK exactly. But TGTS (That Guy Totally Sucks).
Chandel: He's clearly a clean-up guy. All he does is eliminate people. How he got involved with all this will likely come out this season in more detail.
Leigh: Let's not forget he knows Emily's real identity. He could've told either of the Graysons. I think he is truly just a sociopath killer who will work for the highest bidder. These families entertain him with their revenge and murderous agendas.
Christine: Heck if I know. For a hired assassin he certainly seems to have a long term agenda but what's the payoff for him if he takes Conrad down? And has he told Victoria about Emily or is he keeping that vital piece of information to himself ...
Steve: He's clearly not keeping Emily Thorne's true identity to himself out of loyalty to her ... or is he? Remember when he knowingly looked into her hidden camera last season? There's a missing piece to this puzzle, otherwise he'd out her to the Graysons in two seconds. I'm eager to learn more of what's going on inside that head of white hair.
Matt: It may be wishful thinking, but Declan's.
Chandel: I'm willing to bet it's either Jack or Amanda.
Leigh: I'm kind of thinking Aiden, the new guy. He knows too much about Emily's past, I feel like he will become a liability. Or Jack, because that will set Emily on yet another path of Revenge.
Christine: I know I won't win a lot of fans with this but can it please be Jack. There's something about that guy I've never liked. As long as it isn't Nolan, I'm good.
Steve: I don't have it out for Jack like some people responding directly above me, but they're certainly hinting that it's be him, showing him despondent and clutching that same watch. Could be misdirection, of course, but dispatching one of the Porters would be a move that would truly shock fans, yet the show could also survive. Aiden is another strong candidate for different reasons, such as if "the mission" fails and he turns on Emily.
Matt: Emily's mother will return, and then sacrifice her life in order to save her daughter before the season is over.
Chandel: Nolan will end up moving in with Emily.
Leigh: We will definitely see Emily's mom in present day and she's going to be off her rocker. Hey, Emily had to get it from somewhere right? Besides, Jennifer Jason Leigh - Single White Female? I think she can handle the role.
Christine: I can't wait to meet Emily's mother. Like Leigh, I think she's going to be a nut job and she can only complicate things for Emily.
Steve: We will learn that Conrad and Ashley are hooking up.