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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 16th, 2012 7:51 PM
To add on, about the episode, it was a fun episode, saw a different side of Jane and Jane-Lisbon but the Jane-Van Pelt thing was forced(you couldnt have come up with more than him trickking her and rubbing it in her face?) and the whole shoe thing was clearly a filler because there wasnt much to show. I wish we could have seen more of the Lisbon-poker dynamic; now that would have been unique and interseting. As for Red John, I dont think the 3 FBI agents they showed in ep 1 are moles, but I think the idea they could be will be a key part of the season. I think when we find out more about the mole identity, it wont be just about one person as its been in the past. Its going to be alot more complicated. Its not going to be "oh the identity of the mole was simply Mancini" or the "identity of Red John the whole time was LaRoche". Therell be alot more to it and involve more people. As a side, this wont happen but I'd find it really interesting if we find dead characters like Wainwright had
Rank: Recurring Character
October 16th, 2012 7:37 PM
This wasn't one of there more original episodes.Kept waiting for a twist that never came. Not bad but overall this is the type of episode that really makes you worry this is the shows last season. Bruno Heller has purposely leaked about big clues in the Red John case this year b/c he knows this could be the last season and has also kept things very vague which further shows this. Also, he's said in the past that red john won't be revealed until the series finale and I really start to wonder if they can fill a whole another season without solving Red John. On the positive; this season has changed overall for the better, the ratings arent bad and Bruno said back in May he had "2 seasons or so to tie things up". He wouldnt have said 2 if he felt this would be the last season. But we shall see.
October 16th, 2012 4:02 PM
I like the idea that Jane has stashed Lorelei somewhere. Otherwise he would be extremely upset at losing his latest and best connection to Red John. Lorelei's disappearance doesn't seem to bother him at all. I do think the Red John thing will wind up this season. The writers will need a few episodes to gather up the loose plot ends before the final denouement. I hope the episode with Riggsby's father introduces some of that wind-up story line. It's the only thing that will save that episode from being a yawner. Whether they can push this series to another season depends on framing a new story arc that grabs an audience. Entirely possible and I'd love to see that happen.
October 16th, 2012 1:50 PM
I definitely think Lisbon was asked to play in the poker game because of Red John. All of the players are his followers!
October 16th, 2012 11:21 AM
How can people be tired of the RedJohn story? It's amazing! And, for those of you who said that if RedJohn wasn't revealed this series, they wouldn't watch it any more, he is going to be revealed in series 7. And, Lisbon is amazing! I love Robin Tunney! DON'T DIS HER!
October 16th, 2012 1:00 AM
I actually really liked this episode. I guessed it was the girlfriend easily, but the interaction between Jane and Grace made up for it. Also really loved Jane and Lisbon's fluffy scenes, expecially Jane's "Oh, I like it when you get all authoritarian with me." It's good to see Jane back from his angsty, tortured personality last week.
People are gonna hate me for saying this, but I think season five is off to a great start.
Rank: Regular Character
October 15th, 2012 11:23 PM
Lazy, transparent episode. The only good parts was Jane/Grace and the shoes. Someone at the poker game works for RJ.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 15th, 2012 6:46 PM
I'm trying to remember but could have this wrong -- that last week (Oct 7), the start time for CBS shows was pushed back to an unknown time due to the football game ... and the 10 PM show ratings were all down, especially Mentalist which only scored 8,7 million viewers, less than The Good Wife's 9 million viewers and The Amazing Race's 9.7 million. This week (Oct 14), with no 4 PM game to mess up the start times, The Mentalist got 10.6 million viewers to The Good Wife's 9 million and The Amazing Race's 9.4 million viewers. I don't like the Sunday irregularity, but I believe Mentalist is doing fine ratings-wise, like it's generally the top rated non-football show on Sundays! (Ratings info from TV Fanatic articles)
October 15th, 2012 5:25 PM
Wow - I thought I was the only person that is tired of the Red John story arc. And, for that reason, I enjoyed last night's episode - no Red John. Unlike, other series for example, Monk, the main character's nemesis did not become the total focus of the series.
Red John has become bigger than life - I say be done with it and move on to another plot.
October 15th, 2012 4:39 PM
I was just happy to see an episode that didn't revolve around Red John. That subplot is so over.
October 15th, 2012 3:17 PM
continuation of my previous post.
cbs has proven its loss of faith by yanking the mentalist out of the coveted thursday slot and sending it to sunday night purgatory. every episode needs a dark edge. as red john said, without darkness, there is no light. without the dark and light sides of patrick jane every week, there will soon be no mentalist. if they stray too far from the red john story line, no amount of funny loaner sneakers will keep it alive. i love the show but when i see episodes like this, i'm kind of embarrassed for simon. he knows what good material is and he deserves it. so do we.
October 15th, 2012 3:05 PM
i thought this was a barely ok episode. the show hinges on patrick jane's charm and bravado in the shadow of terrible tragedy. it's these two components that made it a success and will keep it on the air. any episode that doesn't either hinge on the red john story or give us interesting jane backstory is (and has proved to be) a recipe for ratings to plunge and for cbs to make the show disappear. the producers did a lot of these adorable-crime-of-the-week episodes last year (16 of them by my count) and gradually eroded ratings. with the new time period, they have to consistently hit the mark of the first two episodes in terms of depth and quality. even those two didn't pull expected ratings because of the NFL and the move to sunday. and now next week, they put in a rigsby episode? this is not a time for second or third banana story lines. cbs has their tight-lipped beady eyes on the mentalist. they've proven that by yanking it out of the coveted thursday slot and sending i
October 15th, 2012 2:57 PM
Does the lovely FBI agent? Where's the charm? Physically unattractive, has the face of a bad person, is arrogant, cocky, angry and over does not seem very smart. Where is the appeal? Although it seems rather to lie with him. She is a woman one night
October 15th, 2012 2:48 PM
And I am sooooo tired of the Red John story. If it doesn't end this season, I'm not watching next season. I am at the point where I don't even care who he is. I watch for the interactions between the regular cast. Everything else is just filler in my view.
October 15th, 2012 2:44 PM
I like the Lisbon / Mancini story line. I can totally understand why she would go for him. He is very attractive and charming, and she deserves a little fun. Really don't believe he is the mole...way too obvious and they already did that story with Van Pelt.
I agree, Jane is acting strangely. He was actually sitting at a desk late at night, clearly very tired, doing detective work. When has he ever done that? My theory is that he is feeling guilty because he is the one who helped Lorelei escape. He knew she wasn't safe with the FBI or the CBI so he has her stashed somewhere. We already know Lorelei is supposed to be on 4 more episodes, so it explains how she will pop up again. And it lets Jane handle her however he wants with no interference. Also, if Jane is running off at odd hours to see her, it would explain him being so tired.
October 15th, 2012 1:47 PM
Is it just me or was there something really weird about this episode? Jane seemed so different, almost withdrawn from reality at times. I kept wondering if this was another hallucination. He even looked different. Not so haggard, more fresh. And being flirtatious with Van Pelt? Not his usual behavior. I wondered if he is rethinking his revenge agenda after that hallucination about his daughter. The shoe thing also seemed strange. It had nothing to do with the plot and the shoemaker seemed strange too. Seemed more symbolic than anything else, like Jane beginning to move on. How long did he have to wait for his shoes? "As long as it takes." To move on with his life? And the business with Lisbon and the poker game: I thought I was seeing the beginning of a new direction, but to what end? It was like playing a game of 52-pickup.
October 15th, 2012 12:51 PM
I read that Lorelei is signed for four more episodes.
I wonder how much we will see of Grace (her face at least) since she is pregnant.
I also wonder if there is not some type of tracking device or microphone in those shoes. The shoe owner did seem strange.
Lisbon knows there is a mole in the FBI. Figure that is why she joined the game.
October 15th, 2012 12:05 PM
So nice to see an episode where Red John was not the main obsession.
October 15th, 2012 9:44 AM
@Michelle: F*ck you.
Probably...
The last word was "you" and Jane said it wasn't a nice word.
Does anyone else want to take a guess?
October 15th, 2012 8:36 AM
does anyone know what van pelt wrote on the paper at the end of the episode? i loved this scene!
October 15th, 2012 8:14 AM
I loved Jane and the loaner shoes. I laughed everytime I saw them.It wasnice to see Grace have a bigger role. Jane's con was good. I'll have to see if that really works. I don't know why Lisbon would fall for that FBi agent. He's Mr. No personality and he doesn't have good looks either.
October 15th, 2012 7:59 AM
Sue Ann you are right. The FBI Agent and Bertram in the same room? Bertram has quoted William Blake, Red John's poet.
The end scene between Grace and Jane was so, so funny! The writers are so dead on when it comes to normal behavior. I aslo like the fact that Grace is getting more street wise. In the Devil's Cherry she did justice to the scene with the older jewel cutter.
Rank: Staff Member
October 15th, 2012 6:54 AM
Sue Ann,
"I think you mean, NOW, that would have been interesting?"
Yes, exactly. Thanks for catching that. It's been corrected.
October 15th, 2012 2:22 AM
Wow. 3 for 3!!! Loved this episode too. I thought the shoe bit was adorable and I liked the playfulness between Jane and Grace. The whole episode was lovely and a nice follow-up to the emotional episode last week. It’ll be interesting to see how Lisbon’s poker game turns out ;-).
Rank: Regular Character
October 15th, 2012 2:15 AM
I think you mean, NOW, that would have been interesting?
Yes, it would have been. That FBI agent was coming on to her, but I would not trust him, were I she. He is nasty and sneaky; that has already been proven. And snakes do not change their stripes.
At least next time Jane gets his shoes re-soled, I think the cobbler will remember his name. :-)