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I'm starting to get tired of Jane underestimating Red John: Jane is always several steps behind. Jane needs to start facing up to the fact that Red John seriously outclasses him. Jane has no hope of catching Red John using his current techniques. The writers, therefore, need to have Jane up his game. Jane could starting collecting useful IOUs and "friends," like he did with Brett Stiles.
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It was a wonderful episode. Jane was so carefree and happy while he was tripping.Thescenes were fun where he was talking to Lisbon and his dead daughter at the same time.Simon Baker is very talented.I hope he wasn't drinking Belladonna tea at the end. That's a slippery slope. I love the show.
Just have to figure out how to get it offered on On Demand! With the schedule changes for both Mentalist & Person Of Interest, I missed them bith but can't watch until reruns. And, Mentalist will always be running of schedulw due to football games...uggh.
Great episode... one of the best of the series. Noted that staying with the red theme.. that Belladonna plant has dark red/purple flowers.
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a) I was curious about Lorelei's disappearance, too -- because I thought she disappeared, dead or alive, into Red John's hands, but how they said it makes me wonder if the FBI doesn't have her???
b) the thing about the hallucination was that everything his daughter says and is comes out of his mind -- meaning to me that it's only now he's beginning to question his quest, which makes sense, doesn't it, that he would only start wondering over long enough time??
Solid episode but I think how good this episode ends up being will be a result of how they go from here in terms of the ideas they built up.
a) so what about the whole "lorelei's case is back in the FBI's hands" that Cho mentioned in the beginning? We never got any elaboration on that. Weird cliffhanger.
b) The hallucination was a bit chaotic. The questions raised were of odd timing. Why in season 5 are we finally seeing Jane meet his family and this idea coming across that as Charlotte says "we don't give a damn what happens to Red John, we're dead anyway" or "what happened to you?" "why are you making this your whole life? Your wife would not be happy"? These are things the show should have spent more time expounding upon much earlier. It shouldn't be in season five that we finally see some legitimate doubt that what he's doing isn't what's best for his family. It was only late last season that the idea finally came across that this chase might not be worth it(in terms of Jane sh
I think he didn't say it with more conviction because part of him wanted it to be true, even if that defies all logic and common sense, hes still a father and will always hope is daughter is not really dead even though he buried her.
Amazing episode! Agree with everything the reviewer had to say!
The tragically torn expression on his face when Charlotte disappeared was indeed heart-breaking. Reminded me of the pain on his face when he saw Rigsby's son's picture, Simon Baker is an exceptional gifted actor and his portrayal of a damaged man in a never-ending cycle of pain is perfectly nuanced.
The show was very good. It did remind me immediately of Alice I'm wonder land. The show was good all the way through. I watched it a few times and only had one problem. It was with Simon baker when he was having the hallucination in the work shop. When baker says no, no charlotte is dead, he said it with a question mark as if charlotte was not dead. I thought he was off his mark here. I thought he should have said it with more conviction. Don't get me wrong, baker is a superb actor. This show is getting better and better. It's starting to have movie like qualities. I'm hoping for one.
Thanks for the great review! I loved this episode for showing more definitively the depth of Patrick Jane's pain and loss. It gives the series a better grounding. It also allowed Simon Baker and Robin Tunney to show more of their impressive range of acting skills. The end, where Jane was willing to drink belladonna tea to get his hallucination back so he could see his daughter again was heartbreaking. And BTW I noticed that Lisbon has a different cross around her neck now. What's going on? It was very plain in the first season, then became quite fancy after that, and now it's only a little bit fancy. Does it mean something or is it just a case of the show's prop department losing last season's crosses?
and Jane called Lisbon "Belladonna" which means Beautiful Woman!!!!
Loved this episode - beautifully tragic. Thought the actress who played Charlotte was perfectly cast. Great review.
Jane making tea in the victim's kitchen the way it was done here(just like in Pilot), and the asian TV interviewer from Pilot make me wish every episode of the season includes a scene or something tiny related to the very first episode.
As to thinking Jane would never make tea in the victim's house, this episode was a direct call-out to the very first episode of The Mentalist. That first-ever show began with Patrick Jane walking into the kitchen and making not only a cup of tea but also a sandwich from out of the crime victim's refrigerator.
About his never leaving the kitchen, of course he didn't, the hallucination was all in his mind. The whole scenario happened while he is lying on the floor or in the hospital. He had a visual recollection of the scene he had already mentalized but behind the gate what unknown, so became a garden where he imagines his daughter. He his having to explain his obcession with RJ when Charlotte tells him to get a life, even that his wife wants him to move on. Subconsciously, Patrick wants to have a life and seems to want permission from his family to forget about RJ. How he left the hospital still high explains how he could be so mobile after having his stomach pumped. I just hope he doesn't end up in a real straight jacket (remember he already spent time in a mental hospital in a padded room). His drinking the belladonna spiked tea at the end just shows how he might be slowly drifting into dementia.
Just when you think this show can't get better it somehow does. This episode was so sad in some ways and yet had moments of humor. My only wish is that it was done in two parts. For such a fascinatingly evil murderer, interesting suspects and Jane's hallucinations, 43 or so minutes just wasn't enough. And Lisbon's feelings for Jane were so obvious. She cared more about what was happening to him, leaving Cho to handle the investigation until she made sure Jane was alright. Or as close as he gets.
I'm hoping this show keeps getting renewed. Like Leverage it keeps a viewer involved with wit. intelligence, great stories and characters plus superb acting.
I agree it's one of the best Mentalist episode ever. Loved that it took a hallucination for him to question his relationship with Lisbon and reveal his feelings. His daughter was so much like him, makes you wonder if she would have turned out this way, snarky and smart. But then, it was his subconscious talking... I love the fact that they start to adress Jane's feelings for Lisbon with Lorelai questioning him last weak and his daughter this weak.
@CPC, you don't need to be condescending with the reviewer. If you don't like her review, stop reading.
Episode very interesting but I fear its opening too many doors and outs by the producers. You can convince someone on Bella Donna to kill themselves, is that red John foreshadowing and how red controls people? It also opens the door to question everything that has happened, even in past episodes. What if red John gets to Jane while Jane is on it? And most importantly, it allows the producers to create an entire season, then, at the finale, show it was all a drug induced hallucination.
I cannt believe I have to explain this to the writer of this review. The sequence started with the butter fly then the rabbit then the knomes and then the rabbit hole. Do you get it yet its Alice in Wonderland for gods sake if you didnt or couldnt get that then I guess you just dont read. I have to ask but have you even read the book thats the main plot for this show Mobey Dick or any Sherlock Holmes its a blend of the two.
Fantastic episode, I only disagree with one thing that Jane wouldn't make tea in the victims house. It is exactly the sort of thing he would do, and has done in the past. It even mirrored the first ever episode where Patrick is making tea in the house where a daughter has been killed.
Simply extraordinary. The best episode so far in history. The writing, acting, stage. I tore the heart Jane / Baker.
This was seriously amongst THE BEST Mentalist episodes ever aired so far.
Perfect , angsty and sad exploration of Patrick Jane and what the loss of his family means to him. There's something horribly depressing at watching him imagine/hallucinate the daughter whose life was taken from him. And at the same time the show manages to present it quite comically.
Seriously depressing episode and easily amongst the best.
There wasn't a garden there when they went back, it was a swimming pool
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