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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
October 22nd, 2012 4:13 PM
This episode seemed to be going nowhere interesting, but then what an ending! Jane had actually set things up so Riggsby could get the revenge Jane knew he would seek but without legal consequences! It just floored me! Jane's moral views may not be Standard Model mainstream but they are deep and pure. He did what he had to do to save his friend from prison or death. Loved watching Jane's face as he realized LaRoche had his scheme all figured out, relieved that LaRoche couldn't prove a thing, and suddenly wondering why LaRoche could be so mentalist-savvy at such a high skill level. . . The Red John level! (Jane's face can replace pages of dialogue!) Loved that Lisbon instinctively knew LaRoche's accusations were true and moved to protect Jane immediately. Anyone notice Riggsby's remark that the baby's mom has left him because of him faking his death in Season 4 finale? Have the writers ended that romance? Does Riggsby have sole custody? Seemed like it, but that would be odd.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 22nd, 2012 4:10 PM
TWO: I mentioned before that I knew an individual who murdered another person in revenge. He told me of it, in a sober way. It mattered to him that he had killed someone, but even more important to him was that this person would be killing no more people. He was satisfied with what he did. I doubt that in the intervening decades since his disclosure, that he has changed his mind about that. I'll never know. But he discussed the situation with me some four years after it happened, and he had lived with it quite well. I think that Rigsby's character will be written as being satisfied with his actions, too.
However, I believe that LaRoche was correct to cite Lisbon for permitting Rigsby to be there at all.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 22nd, 2012 4:04 PM
I watched it in the new time slot, but I am retired, and can stay up as late as I like. I agree that Sunday night is a lousy time to place this program, and it probably will kill it. Viewers have become accustomed to no new programming to speak of (broadcast TV) on the weekends, aside from Desperate Housewives, I guess. I know, I still do not associate it with Sunday, and it was just happenstance that I checked the TV Guide and saw it.
So, to answer Christine, Yes, No, Not especially. Rigsby deserves better than that idiot Grace. She has no discrimination in men. I found Rigsby's father's arc interesting.
October 22nd, 2012 3:21 PM
Totally agree. I love this show but this Sunday time slot sucks.
October 22nd, 2012 2:46 PM
This time slot is killing the show. It came on at 10:55 EST. On a Sunday. How many people are going to stay up on Sunday until midnight to watch this show. Ever watch what the networks put on after the news. Junk. And the junk pile is where this show will end up because of the time slop it has.
Everyone who loves this show should write to Leslie Moonves and insist that the time be changed to another day.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 22nd, 2012 1:15 PM
All of the characters seem conflicted -- Cho and his confidential informant and his old neighborhood pal, whose message he didn't return; Grace and how gullible she is with guy after guy and her telling someone she shot her last boyfriend; and Lisbon, the rough tomboy and all her brothers, and her being a cop's cop type, meaning totally loyal to her partners, past and present, and to her team, as LaRoche pointed out; and, of course, Jane is the most conflicted.
Rank: Recurring Character
October 22nd, 2012 1:15 PM
Rigsby is an interesting character -- some, anyway -- an over-compensating boy scout type who was brought up to be loyal, even to the father he's over-compensating for ... so that he would try extra hard to be the good father his father wasn't, but still find himself paraphrasing the "Michael Corleone says, 'Hello,'" from Godfather 2. I don't think he killed the guy our of revenge, but really did kill him in the course of doing his job. He really was shot at! And, to me, Jane had to set it up because it's Jane's foundation, the bedrock principle upon which he's built his life since RJ.
October 22nd, 2012 12:26 PM
Looks like Lisbon and Cho were complicit in Rigsby's action as well. A runner with a gun takes off and Rigsby is so far ahead of them that it looked like they started in another county?
Rank: Guest Star
October 22nd, 2012 12:16 PM
Actually I like that this show gives all its performers an episode or two to shine since Jane remains the star overall. I'm glad Rigsby got closure,and see his getting revenge as a lucky break, no one made the killer shoot at him even when he was down.Rigsby would have been just as happy tossing him in jail. It doesn't matter that Rigsby Sr. was a criminal in the past, the more it became obvious that Huff was an innocent man, the more it was clear that his father wasn't shot while committing a crime. As it turns out he was with Huff to protect him against someone threatening to burn down his perfectly legitimate business. I'm glad someone who'd shoot at two people,killing the unarmed one, in hopes of starting a turf war so he could become the only crime boss is dead- jailtime sure hadn't reform him.
October 22nd, 2012 11:50 AM
Come on CBS, put the Mentalist back on at a decent day and time. It didn't show here until 10 p.m. Central. It's either late getting started because of ball games or something else running over. Take off Vages, or Elementary or one of the other not good shows and put Patick back where he belongs. There isn't much comedy on now and I love the humor of Patrick Jane.
October 22nd, 2012 11:29 AM
i find rigsby the least compelling of the characters, so it's hard to muster any feelings about this episode except for wondering why the producers would put it on so early in the season when the show is still trying to find its place in the ratings and time slot. they should front-load the season with jane-centric episodes. nobody here can carry an episode except in relation to jane. the fact that the whole thing hinged on some hallmark boilerplate "blood is thicker than water" drivel about rigsby's real relationship with his father was lazy writing. if patrick's father (from throwing fire) showed up, i would care because i care about patrick. even lisbon, who is a great second banana couldn't carry the episode with her brother and niece. lisbon, cho and sometimes, grace are just planets revolving around jane. wayne is a distant asteroid.
the red ticket and devil's cherry were great episodes. not one red cent and rigsy and dad, not so much. i look forward to next week's
Rank: Recurring Character
October 22nd, 2012 9:26 AM
i want to know who red john is too. i feel this new guy, laroache can take us to him as well but at what cost......and i too want to know what happened to the baby mother. overall 4/5 but more red john
October 22nd, 2012 9:22 AM
I'm so glad thaT they had the episode on at all. The football game ran soooo long. I enjoyed the Rigsby episode. He was so cute with his son. I hope we find out what LaRouche is hiding. I wonder if Jane was bluffing or does he know something? LaRouche seems to like Lisbon. It was a very well acted episode,and I loved it.
October 22nd, 2012 8:58 AM
@Lou
I wouldn't be surprised if LaRoche has a Red John angle, if the safe was anything to go by then he definitely has something (major) to hide which makes him an easy target for RJ's manipulations. I hope we see more of Kristina Frye, Rosalyn, and Brett Stiles this season as these people seem to have first-hand knowledge of RJ.
I miss Cho and Rigsby's banter and the group dynamics in general, I hope we see an episode in the near future that has the group working closely together. We also need more information on Grace, she was in the spotlight when she dated Rigsby, when she broke up with Rigsby and when she dated that RJ mole. We never got to know how she lost her sister or more about her personal life.
October 22nd, 2012 8:38 AM
Boco,
That's exactly what he was referring to when he was talking about his "flaws"...I wanna know what was in the stinkin' Tupperware container. Even Jane doesn't know as the guy he hired to break into LaRoache's home never opened it. I hope they tell us what was in the container. I only watch "the mentalist" for the extended sub-plots, as some of regular episode plots are rather predictable. But this show has me watching only to discover the uncovered mysteries of the show and who Red John really is. I think LaRoache knows something about Red John, but won't tell Jane. I hope this season covers more of the Red John plot
October 22nd, 2012 7:08 AM
This was just an ok episode for me. The whole episode was unbelievable. Why did Rigsby even need revenge, especially being an FBI Agent? His father was a complete criminal and his lifestyle dictated the outcome of his life. I understand the love and emotional element but to the point of revenge. I would believe it for his son, not for his father. Why did Rigsby need to be hand cuffed when he left his appartment? He was on suspension, not house arrest. Aslo, how can you justify a revenge killing, legal or not in this situation. I understand why Jane needs revenge but not Rigsby. What about the teams integrity? There is no way I would ever buy the fact that one man, Jane, could manipulate so many people into doing something like this! Logic and intelligence went out the window with this episode! I guess, win one lose one!
October 22nd, 2012 4:51 AM
@ so cute
Sara and Rigsby broke up because Rigsby faked his death last season, he said that duration the conversation with his father at the bar.
Love the dynamic between Jane and LaRoche, we never really found out what LaRoche hides in his safe, I bet Jane was hinting at all when he mentioned him having 'flaws'.
October 22nd, 2012 3:56 AM
The conversation Jane LaRoche was the best of the episode. Both are charismatic.
October 22nd, 2012 3:38 AM
As Bruno Heller says, this show because there exite RJ. Without RJ the show never existed. Although RJ episodes are not my favorite, I have to say that if Rigsby and Cho (although I like the actors) were the protagonists never have followed this series, are the kind of characters we've watched 20 million times on TV.
Done at fault that Jane is the star only when using RJ. Jane is interesting enough to not need to RJ.
Rank: Guest Star
October 22nd, 2012 2:43 AM
★★★★☆TV
If this show was Rigsby and Cho I'd watch every Sunday. The RJ SL killed this show for me.
October 22nd, 2012 2:43 AM
where is sara, Ben's mother? are she and rigsby still together?