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February 10th, 2013 11:21 AM
hi all
can someone remind me of who is Ron?
Lisbon wouldn't arrest Jane for sure I agree. and as for Jane working for the FBI, don't think so but it's a plausible idea.
February 10th, 2013 10:31 AM
@KM your thoughts about Lisbon not ever arresting Jane, and @huisclothes comments have made me think of all sorts of scenarios, especially minor ones. I conclude that I don't think she could even arrest him for jaywalking even just to make a point with him. She would make a show of gloating and saying he deserved it for something minor maybe, if someone else made the arrest. But I think she would be in anguish if he got pinched for something major that would have him locked up for years or life.
February 10th, 2013 10:17 AM
@rationalgal re: Patrick being the FBI mole -- do you think he would be that deceitful with Lisbon? It's so cold.
February 10th, 2013 10:13 AM
@huisclothes I echo and shout your comment: "i feel like we need to spend time with red john. put a face to the legend. see what he likes for breakfast. where he gets his knives sharpened. we need another season." Now listen, you writers . . . And about Lisbon killing Red John, I wouldn't even put it past her to find Patrick with the dripping gun and set the scene up for him as self defense. I think she would do that, she loves him that much. I agree with you. Give us some strength and depth!
February 10th, 2013 2:41 AM
re: the smiley face on the barn. red john is smart. wouldn't he have put together that some other smart person (say, patrick) would use the face there as a way to carbon date red john and deduce his identity? why didn't he remove it?
February 10th, 2013 2:06 AM
@entwife just read your point about red john being a fleshed out tooth and claw villain. definitely. no throw pillow, no cho, no rather-innocuous-guy who's now holding a flashlight under his chin. i feel like we need to spend time with red john. put a face to the legend. see what he likes for breakfast. where he gets his knives sharpened. we need another season.
February 10th, 2013 1:59 AM
@entwife glad you like bride of frankenstein kristina. whenever i see her, i think of that.
February 10th, 2013 1:57 AM
@entwife glad you think that. i really don't want her to take jane in. i feel like at the end, she should help jane kill red john. like hold a gun on him, call jane in and hand jane the gun. but that's just the madame de farge in me talking. you're right, i think they'll make it a righteous kill beyond satisfying jane's desire though i think it'll muddy one of the series' main questions -- does a man have the right to kill the man who killed his family? if we throw in -- and at the same time save cbi officers, children, puppies and kittens -- it loses its punch. but i bet it'll happen anyway. it's hollywood.
February 10th, 2013 1:43 AM
*snicker# @huisclothes -- nobody likes poor Kristina, certainly not me! Making her Bride of Frankenstein is as funny as Zombie Kristina lol
February 10th, 2013 1:40 AM
@huisclothes I don't think Lisbon would arrest Jane even for murdering RJ in cold blood. But I think the writers will either make it a righteous kill or self defense or someone else, will do it, could be Lorelei, but maybe Lisbon in saving Jane from RJ somehow. And, whatever happened to the red glass bead thing? Wow, @rationalgal, I love thinking about your theory that RJ himself is the mole high up in the FBI, you make a great case for it. Spooky. I can follow your logic for Jane being a double agent, but I just can't see it as being good for the character, but sometimes it's hard to see if the series really cares about its characters. I don't want RJ to be somebody new out of left field or some dufus throw pillow or Cho either. Red John has to be built up into a real character, a substantial known villain. Give us some meat! Make us red in tooth and claw!
February 10th, 2013 1:23 AM
@rationalgal re:Panzer. How would Panzer have known that Jane was working undercover for the FBI? He made that comment of leading a double life, but I can't see, that he knew anything about how Jane started to work for CBI! But I agree, that would be a kick in the head, to quote huisclothes! And not totally too far fetched either. The longer I think about it, the more sense it makes. Can't wait to find out. Good night everybody!
February 9th, 2013 11:59 PM
@watcher you're right, the usual suspects is a good model for what you're talking about. but i'd still wish he had some texture or color or have said more than ten words. i guess, in the end, it would seem too easy to me. but that's my opinion.
maybe it'll be someone new.
February 9th, 2013 11:54 PM
@rationalgal you reminded me of another dropped ball. when bertram quoted the blake poem and la roche identified it, lisbon witnessed the exchange; but not jane. can't imagine that that wouldn't have pricked up jane's shell-like ears. i hoped they were going to do something with that.
February 9th, 2013 11:52 PM
@huisclothes - I think Ron would be perfect just because he goes unnoticed, but is always there to observe and see what is happening. It explains how he knows so much about Jane and Lisbon's relationship. To me it would be the Mentalist equivalent of the Usual Suspects ending. The harmless guy nobody suspects. He has access to CBI resources and it explains how he could evade being caught for so long. If Ron turned out to keep his true self hidden, to me that would be a great reveal.
But if it can't be Ron, then I agree with you - let it be someone we don't know. I love the idea of the handshake business being a wild goose chase.
February 9th, 2013 11:41 PM
@watcher i would prefer rj to be someone that we don't know and the whole handshake thing to be a wild goose chase. but i don't want it to be cbi ron who's just been a throw pillow lying around headquarters. if they announced that, all the while, this cipher has been red john, it wouldn't be very satisfying. in fact, i think it might elicit a huge groan from the viewers. he doesn't have any personality to begin with so the reveal of him as a murderous mastermind would fall kind of flat. i mean, nice enough guy, but let him remain so. in fact, he might have to be cannon fodder at the end. him and possibly, rigsby who they're making as dorky as possible.
February 9th, 2013 11:24 PM
that art-loving mobster in paint it red as rj? he was watching one of those "and sudden death" videos. talked to patrick about how quickly life can end. he was a horrible killer with a love of fine art. he found patrick fascinating. enjoyed jousting with him and showing his painting off to someone obviously able to appreciate it. he was traveling on a diplomatic passport and the feds forbade cbi to touch him. it was too long ago, 5 years but still, worth a thought.
February 9th, 2013 11:17 PM
@rationalgal hmm, jane as a double agent for the fbi from the get-go. would be dramatic but would probably make me hate him. especially on behalf of teresa. talk about not letting her in. i do agree it would be a real kick in the head. if bertram and la roche both know blake poems, is that the equivalent of the red glass bead identifying one to the other?--maybe they weren't aware of the red john connection. or maybe only one is an rj person and the other just rather literate. or both just rather literate. remember, cho knew the words and the meaning of tyger, tyger. (don't want it to be but wouldn't cho make a cool red john?)
my other recurring thought is that rj is a diplomat hence his limo, his ability to flout the law and kirkland of homeland security's interest in the case. maybe he's the art-loving mobster or the organ-needing mobster?
February 9th, 2013 10:43 PM
I think Red John will most likely be a new character - or somebody that we don't really know well- like some extra who appeared in the past whose name we don't know. Or there is an outside chance he could be CBI Ron. I would love that if they chose to go that way.
I just think most of the obvious suspects are way too obvious, and they all have something I can point to that rules them out, or at least casts doubt- we can't really rule anybody out since we know so little, based on what we know.
February 9th, 2013 9:53 PM
Continued: and has shaken hands with him. Now there's a dramatic ending for you!
February 9th, 2013 9:51 PM
Yes, huisclothes, Bertram is certainly involved (along with LaRoche) with RJ because they both were familiar with the Wm Blake poems. Now here's a puzzle: Why do we always see RJ riding in a limo? Who does that? Major politicians and government officials. Notice how Jane was obviously set up, fresh out of the mental hospital, by the FBI to track down RJ. What if a high ranking FBI official met with Jane (known to be extremely clever, unorthodox and wanting revenge) and persuaded him to be their mole in getting info on RJ - and Jane eagerly agreed? (When Panzer asked Jane how he could stand leading a double life Jane looked uncomfortably guilty of doing that.) So Jane is working undercover with the FBI. HOWEVER, what if the FBI limo-riding political big shot who hired him is Red John, actually setting up a playmate for the cat-and-mouse games he loves? That's why RJ must disguises his face AND his voice around Jane. Jane knows him well as a colleague, likes him, and has shaken hands wit
February 9th, 2013 7:34 PM
@rationalgal that's interesting that timothy carter would turn out to be the rj who killed jane's family. i still would like patrick to get to kill the bossman rj. but i would like to see lorelei betray him to patrick. and for red john to know it.
with bertram at the helm, patrick still seems to be golden. he has stuck by patrick. the lady has protested vociferously but p.r. for the cbi has won out every time. patrick has had to blackmail him a few times but bertram has always opted for the talented mr jane. re: lisbon. i think patrick relies on her hypocrisy. she talks a good game but will always come down on the side of what he describes as justice. remember she let that little girl who killed her father go? also the older girl who accosted the gang members. though that was for the little boy. his sister was a thug.
February 9th, 2013 7:12 PM
One more thing about Kristina Frye: She was on TV cozying up to Red John, being on his side in a way. When Jane was saran-wrapped to the chair RJ give him Kristina's good wishes and used the words Roll Tide in parting. Same words Kristina and the waiter exchanged during that "date" she had with Jane. I interpreted all that as some kind of relationship between RJ and KF, leading me to suspect a soul mate collaboration as serial killers. RJ needs love of some kind very badly. KJ is expert at sensing that and using it either for her advantage or because she really feels they are soul mates. Never did buy that I'm-dead-and-I'm-a-spirit routine she used on Jane. If she doesn't return to the series it's probably because of other acting commitments so the thread she was on had to be dropped.
February 9th, 2013 7:07 PM
also, remember bosco quizzed her about jane? she said "he closes cases" and bosco said, "is that all it is?' weird in that episode that the team saw bosco's love for lisbon but didn't see lisbon's love for jane. then jane said "he loves you, how could he not?" jane certainly understands her appeal. he certainly knew he had control over her, more control over her than bosco did. and on bosco's deathbed, they acknowledged their love. glad bosco got that. hope that's not how patrick and teresa have their moment.
then red john's idea of a nice gift was teresa lisbon's dead body. then lorelei said, "you're a little bit in love with teresa lisbon." then hafner said "is it the work or is it jane?"
the series is all coming down to their feelings for each other. they will triangulate over red john.
February 9th, 2013 7:01 PM
And, I don't think Lisbon would arrest Jane for murdering RJ. I think she'll either cover it for him or possibly implicate herself. As far as Stiles goes, I think she could be convinced to see why it was necessary from Jane's perspective. Not just because she loves Jane, but because through her years she has learned that something you have to go outside the law. Bosco's situation. I'm pretty sure she is wise enough to know that Jane set up Panzer. And Jane told her he lied to the jury about Carter being RJ and felt guilty about it. Her morals and ethics don't always line up with the law.
February 9th, 2013 6:58 PM
When Hightower was CBI boss, she said Jane was "golden" and anything he did would be overlooked short of murder. So he's probably OK re Lorelei's prison break, and the FBI got him off of all the charges against him in Las Vegas. I don't think Jane will murder RJ if he finds him again. More likely kill him in self defense or to protect (probably) Lisbon - or someone else will kill RJ. I'd like to see Lorelei do it, since he raped and murdered her sister. I do think Timothy Carter will be ID'd as the killer of Jane's family (as a token of loyalty to RJ?). That allows Jane to have had enough revenge to satisfy him, avoid the been-there-done-that repetitiveness of another killing, and enjoy seeing Lorelei (or whomever) get revenge. Spread the revenge around!