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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 30th, 2013 5:49 PM
With regards to the Jane-Lisbon thing, I always thought it was way overblown until the finale last year, not the "love you" quote, but Lisbon's face later on and how she had to ask him and the look she had in her eyes when she did. She clearly felt something and she was starting to realize she did. That's so un Lisbon to ask in that context off the cuff like that, she is much more reserved with emotions and feelings and that she did and the way she did it was a tacit acknowledgement of what she felt. Now, with that said, I still think this is overblown, I think Lisbon has started to realize there is some feeling for Jane, but she's just starting to realize it and not sure what she means. This is far from full blown love. Jane on the otherhand I'm not really sure, he clearly cares about Lisbon, but honestly I just think she's just a really good friend of his he can rely on and needs. Every guy has one of these, and when your Jane and don't associate with anybody, there just that much mo
Rank: Recurring Character
January 30th, 2013 5:46 PM
Nah, look at what the ratings for the Mentalist used to be and what they are now, they were falling pretty significantly even in season 4 in a good time slot, people just don't stick with shows for the duration unless they really really like them. There are shows I like but my interest for watching consistently fades eventually. And this prolonged RJ storyline isn't adding any new viewers, it's only taking away. In season 1 and 2, the RJ storyline was adding viewers. Nobody who didn't watch before is now going to jump into the show near its end for this RJ storyline.
January 30th, 2013 4:44 PM
btw I was thinking about the audience thing, I mean that there are less viewers etc and well I don't think there are less viewers at all, I think that a lot of people actually download the show later on because it's late or for whatever reason. I do that with a lot of TV shows, that doesnt mean I don't watch them, I assume they don't take that into account. but it doesn't change anything for them as long as people dont tune in to the channel I guess.
January 30th, 2013 4:41 PM
yes I'd say it's more obvious that she loves him than the other way round.
but earlier I was watching ep 18 I think of SE2 where they are locked somwhere and she freaks out and she realises that he had lied to her, he said he needed her but actually wanted to help her and that was a cute moment, he told her he'd always save her, the look on his face there is priceless. There are a lot of moments like these through the seasons and there's always sthg or someone interrupting.
so yes she's in love with him, definitely, maybe she doesnt allow herself to but she is. Jane.. not sure, he cares for her for sure, maybe he withholds his feelings because a she's his boss so they just cant and b it would put her in danger as RJ would make sure to kill her like he killed his wife and child to hurt him. so I think it should happen but only at the end, when RJ's dead!
January 30th, 2013 4:24 PM
you know what scientists have discovered must be supplied on all space shuttle missions? birth control. where there are men and women thrown together, there will be sex. patrick and teresa have certainly been alone together on this voyage. looking for a touch of realism in the story? that would be it.
January 30th, 2013 3:42 PM
re: endings. the audience (or at least, me) knows where this should go (patrick kills red john, he and teresa get together), the key will be how surprising and interesting, yet inevitable they can make the ride there. inevitable is the operative word here.
we can't all shout a collective "give me a break." this is a tough one.
this can't be the show, dallas, (never saw it) where a character who died comes back because the entire previous season was a dream his wife had.
January 30th, 2013 3:26 PM
last night, my husband, who is as smart as patrick jane and an amused on-looker to my mentalist obsession watched the episode. first thing he said was, "she's in love with him." then he asked, "does he get paid?" i said yes. he continued, "cause it would be funny if he was living off his wife's insurance." general merriment ensued.
January 30th, 2013 3:25 PM
yes I have seen that on youtube it was fun to watch! it struck me in one episode, the one where a guy is locked inside a room with a girl, dead and he's framed with murder while it was his mother who did it. in the scene outside, in the garden, jane is sat opposite the mother and when we see jane, we can see she's crossing her arms and when we see her she's not crossing them, it's obvious because it's going back and forth between jane and her. I knew it was filmed that way because Jane's daughter in 5x2 explains that in a video so I understood why indeed things didnt quite fit.
January 30th, 2013 3:19 PM
@mimi again. i agree. i've noticed lisbon's face does look prettier and softer. i think they've lightened her eyebrows a tweence and she's grown them out a bit so they're less severe against her pale skin. makes her look younger and fresher. also the lipstick is lighter.
January 30th, 2013 3:11 PM
@mimi re: how the mentalist is recorded. you are seeing two different takes of the same scene cut together so the timing on the body movements don't match perfectly. for a funny example of this, look at the gag scenes on the season one dvd. simon stops a take and asks the actress playing opposite him if her arms casually crossed behind her neck in the last take and anyway, could she take them out of his sightline. they were obscuring his face. you can find it on youtube.
January 30th, 2013 12:55 PM
I agree what a terrible ending. please no! and I want jane and lisbon together too!
January 30th, 2013 11:57 AM
@Feint...If it ends that way.....what a wasted life Jane led.
January 30th, 2013 11:46 AM
I wonder if I'm the only one not hoping for that kind of a happy ending. The only way I can see the story ending is that Jane kills Red John, or sees him get killed(maybe by Lisbon or one of his own accomplices), but is fatally hurt himself too and dies with a happy and satisfied expression on his face. I can't picture Jane's life after Red John; he has dedicated the last decade of his life to finding and killing the man and I believe there is no going back. I kind of want the Moby Dick ending but without having to wonder whether Red John died or not.
January 30th, 2013 11:21 AM
I agree with ACE, I wouldnt like that either and I dont think that what the writers have in mind.
January 30th, 2013 10:54 AM
@MikeH, if that turns out to be true, I will hit the roof. I would be so mad if Jane has spent years looking for revenge when revenge wasn't needed. Also, Lisbon would be left in the dirt and I would hate to see this women, who has spent years helping/consoling/fixing Jane end up with nothing but lost time and not having real life. No a happy ending needs to be that Jane is finally at peace (got his revenge or lets go of his obsession) and learns to live in the present and be fullfilled with what he has not what he has lost.
January 30th, 2013 10:41 AM
rationalgal - I have much of the same thoughts that you say here. I realize some time ago that trying to put clues together to figure who RJ is...is really futile. There are so many possibilities and none of them can be considered wrong.
As for your happy ending... I now think that this is very possible. I have a strong suspicion that PJ's family is not really dead. (their gravestones with no dates on them is a big clue to me). My hope now that the final scene will end with Patrick and his wife & daughter eating in that restaurant where he was drinking those three bloody marys.
January 30th, 2013 7:59 AM
This is probably just a coincidence but it's been going around in my head for a while -
Jane's list featured Ellis Mars
Ellis Mars = Elliston Farm
Red Johns Friends = 'He is mar'
Just a thought here
January 30th, 2013 3:36 AM
and one last thing, Lisbon is looking better this season, seems like she wears more make up etc.. she's more feminine somehow. I like her hair too.
January 30th, 2013 3:35 AM
about the smiley on the barn we can consider that it had been abondoned all the time and that back then we didnt know what it meant and the few people who saw the sign didn't click at all. That would make sense. and the Priest didn't say anything because he's involved somehow..
January 30th, 2013 3:31 AM
I didn't at first but then was caught up in it. What I do notice a lot is how it's sometimes badly recorded. like in a conversation between two persons, one is talking so you see them and a bit of the other, like the other is crossing her arms but when the camera turns to them they are not so you see it's been filmed with one camera. they should be more careful cos I see it all the time, not that it matters much though..
January 30th, 2013 3:30 AM
I really don't think Jane is insane and seeing things and that it'll end up with the viewers seeing that he's having hallicinations about the case. It would make no sense at all. and Jane being RJ makes no sense at all either because so many people have seen RJ, his minions and then they meet Jane, so obviously they'd see it's the same person.
What is a bit far fetched though is the fact that they're going through so many traumatized experiences and none of them really seems affected. Like Grace with the guy in S1 then O laughlin and everything she went through as a child that we dont know about. Same with Lisbon who had a terrible childhood and who was the target of a RJ minion and was almost killed more than once. etc.. I mean..
I think the writers don't think we'll think too much about the series. I didn't at first but then was caught up in it. What I do notice a lot is how it's sometimes badly recorded. like in a conversation between two persons, one is talking so you see th
January 30th, 2013 1:38 AM
Damn, can't edit my post. I meant to write "And Red John is still not identified." I'm starting to feel there are too many possibilities and suspects they'd have to go through(Stiles, Cooper and Visualize, the FBI agents, Ray Haffner, LaRoche, Gale Bertram, Osvaldo Ardiles, Ellis Mars, Brett Partridge, Linus Wagner, Virgil Minelli, Walter Mashburn) and many are not(as far as is announced) cast in the show anytime soon. The next two episodes don't seem to be Red John related either, so the season is slowly running out of episodes to solve everything in time.
January 30th, 2013 1:28 AM
They really seem to want to make us think Ray Haffner is somehow related to Red John, that he either IS Red John or can identify him. There is no doubt he was at the farm in 1988, at the age of 21. He admitted he was a messed up kid, but was it him who drew the smiley face on the wall? I guess they plan to make Lisbon suspect someone, have Jane come up with 'evidence' on Red John, and then it turns out they were both wrong and Red John is still identified. There's still Lorelei and the FBI agents(Mancini, Smith, Shultz) who can change the face of the game entirely.
January 30th, 2013 1:22 AM
Just watched the episode again. They sure make us suspect as many people as possible. Jane hugging Jason Cooper(one of the names we saw on his list) and sort of measuring him with his eyes was suspicious. Felt like he was trying to decide whether or not he could be Red John. Lisbon suspects Ray Haffner but didn't tell Jane about it. And then there's that music that plays when we see the Red John symbol. The same music was played in the cafe when the bartender showed Jane who told her about the murders.
January 30th, 2013 1:02 AM
@entwife greetings from the shallow end. thanks for your comment. pixie cuts are important too.