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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
January 28th, 2013 7:09 PM
I'm positive this is going to take us back to Jane's boyhood. All those handshakes have to go back that far. I think Jane's demons are about to catch up with him! My question is was Jane's carnival ever in California? Also I think that smiley face has a meaning. I looked it up a long time ago and there was a simular face that had to do with chemistry? I'm not sure but I think I will go after that symbol again. I'm going to have to mull this episode over for awhile but I thought it was great. It is going exactly the way I thought it would! Lisbon said Visualize was a worldwide organization. These types of organizations have a tendcy of being far reaching and very powerful. This could be why Homeland Security is involved, Visualize may be a threat to the US! I have some homework to do!
Rank: Regular Character
January 28th, 2013 7:00 PM
I like the RJ stuff but they need to finish it off. If that means no more The Mentalist then make a spinoff.
January 28th, 2013 6:54 PM
My main problem with this show is that Red John and his organization IS larger then life. It is dumb that he can control all these people for years on end, have them killed, or turn them into killers and no one leaves or tells anything. It is worse then a cult. Even in a cult there are people who get away and tell others what is going on. Red John has become so big, so woven into everything that it is unbelieveable. I want it to make sense in the end, but don't see how the writers are going to pull this off. No one is that powerful or influenceable. I liked it better when Red John was just a man who had A FEW friends, not the all and great powerful OZ.
January 28th, 2013 6:42 PM
There are more dirt bags in the CBI then they have put in JAIL! Red Jonn and Visualize are trying to divide and conquer! I think the episode was to let the viewer's know how deep the dirt is about to get! Ray Haffner got busted by Lisbon about being in Visualize and then played it off. Haffner is on the Visualize pay role. Who knows what he's been up too! Clearly he is on the side of Visualize. There is something or someone in South America that threw Jane for a loop! I think I mentioned that before, what ever it is, Jane knows a great deal about it. Also I think Jane's map may have something to do w/ carny circuit movement. If it doesn't, it should! The dates are too close.
January 28th, 2013 6:32 PM
I didn't mean to say the Come in, partner was a romantic moment between the characters, certainly not a recognized one, it was too small for that, their demeanor definitely was not romantic. I'm saying I like the way it was done, it was intimate and quiet, but light, an acceptance of the fact of a partnership based on trust, not a romantic liaison. The fact that I found the moment sexy is beside the point, but it is how I felt.
January 28th, 2013 6:31 PM
That is my main concern/issue also. The writers really haven't given us any "real details" only more "bones" to chew on. I want something concrete, something juicy. I am getting sick of this Red John plot and I am one who use to love it. If the writers are not going to show/lets us be a part of Janes thoughts and who he believes are good suspects, then give us something else to chew on like the friendship (or more) relationship of Jane/Lisbon. They don't even seem to be close friends at the moment, just colleges. There are no looks, firtation or anything between them right now. All they talk about is work or Red John. Look at the older shows, there was always something "cute" between them. Friendship or what not, but there was something. Now it is like they both have walls up and only connect when it is about work.
January 28th, 2013 6:04 PM
I agree with Ace and Lisa - the partner line was not romantic at all to me.
I also agree with Ace that seeing Jane's little book or board does not advance the story. I feel the writers are stalling. They talk about Red John a lot, but they don't really tell us much of anything that is really surprising or useful. At this point I am almost indifferent about RJ. I think the only reason the lack of progress bothers me is that they keep talking about him and jerking our chains. I am getting really tired of being strung along.
January 28th, 2013 5:10 PM
I agree with Lisa, I have not seen any "love" between Jane and Lisbon since the beginning of the season. It is like the writers have dropped that part of the story. In fact, to me this season is all over the place with no clear direction. We get a little of Lisbon hunt for her own Red John.....which fell flat. Jane getting clues to who Red John is, which the viewers aren't let in on with that process of suspects. We should be able to "see" how Jane is working everything out. To be part of it. As it is, this season started off good, but I am now getting the vibe of "too many roads, that lead no where" feeling. I want to either see the process Jane is taking in finding Red John or be let on who Red John is and see how he avoid Janes search for him. Just seeing Jane and his board or little black book does not cut it.
January 28th, 2013 4:52 PM
I don't understand why all of you find the "come in partner" so sexy. I would like to see them end up together, but I really think some people see signs of attraction/love where they don't exist. I did not view that line at all as shippy. His voice was soft because he was resigned...he realized he had to let her in and couldn't keep it to himself even though he preferred to. He can only push her so far, and couldn't get his way on this. But anything romantic??? No, not here.
January 28th, 2013 4:47 PM
the other simon baker trademark is holding a woman's face lightly in one hand as he kisses her.
January 28th, 2013 4:40 PM
@rational gal. simon is a fine actor. i think he's been in a lot of lousy movies (and he's knows it and has spoken about it). the lodger was an awful mess. simon was the only good thing in it. not forgotten, not as bad, but not good. simon good. ring two, bad. sex and death 101. simon good but the director couldn't figure out what movie he wanted to make so there are three in there - none of them good. la confidential, margin call, the affair of the necklace, the devil wears prada good. and we'll see about i give it a year. it has a great pedigree. it just premiered in london. google the interview of simon on the red carpet. he talks about lining up projects for after the mentalist (as i"ve said, he is guileless) among which is the novella he optioned, "breath" about an older surfer and his disabled wife. simon looks impatient, tense and ill-at-ease. also cold. though he has on the cute short coat from red gold.
January 28th, 2013 4:40 PM
Although it happened below screen, I'm certain that when Jane said Come in, partner, he reached his hand out and took Lisbon's arm to draw her in. I thought it was sexy, too.
January 28th, 2013 4:39 PM
@rationalgal - I think there would be a more than 3 year age range. As Jane pointed out, to someone in their fifties, anyone pretty much under the age of thirty is a "kid". Especially males, who tend to mature more slowly. Red John could have been anywhere from a teen to someone in their mid to late twenties when he painted that smiley face on the barn.
January 28th, 2013 4:36 PM
Yes, huisclothes, Simon Baker certainly knows how to do sexy scenes that are way better than the groping tonsil swallowing that passes for sexy on TV. His kissing scene with Erica was the most sensual thing I've ever seen. Positively riveting, yet really mainly suggestive rather than graphic. Absolutely beautiful, as was "Come in, partner" in this episode. The subtlety is so artful and compelling!
January 28th, 2013 4:27 PM
@rationalgal. i think might be right. they're creating an almost free-standing series within a series that started with last night's red john origins episode.
January 28th, 2013 4:26 PM
With only a few episodes left, I suspect we will be left with lots of unanswered questions: No info on why RJ is so charismatic, powerful, wealthy, able to infiltrate law enforcement (and why he would do that), and why RJ would care what Jane does. Also why Jane only now is starting a real investigation with his wall display and list, and where he got the materials, since he burned the RJ files. There is just no time to explain all this and tie it to whatever ending we get. Not unusual. Two of Simon Baker's really good movies ("Not Forgotten" and "The Lodger") have endings that make no sense at all. You just can't get to the ending from where the plots were going. But it's only entertainment and, with The Mentalist and anything Simon does, totally excellent.
January 28th, 2013 4:20 PM
when patrick said, "come in, partner," wow. there are bedroom scenes that aren't as sexy as that. that was -a piece of business-simon uses where he cuts off the last syllable of someone's sentence and says his line softly and quickly. see the scene in devil wears prada, where he uses it on anne hathaway. it throws the other person (usually a woman) off balance. that's how lisbon looked when she suddenly found herself on the other side of that door.
January 28th, 2013 4:15 PM
As I said in an earlier post, this season looks like the writers are starting the series all over again. We can dump our list of RJ suspects because this is a new story line only marginally related to seasons 1-4. (If RJ is a character from early episodes, he will appear in flashbacks so the writers can bring casual viewers up to speed.) Since RJ is the teenage male weirdo who painted the face 25 years ago, Jane can narrow his list to those within maybe a 3-year age span who were or could have been at the farm then. That can't be many. The odd voice is either faked or belongs to someone Jane shook hands with but did not speak with. Checking out and eliminating the non-speakers would narrow the list further. And BTW I thought the stripper scene was a cheap shot - the writers' attempt to attract new viewers with something sexy. Out of character for the series. Glad Jane was dismissive of it.
January 28th, 2013 4:11 PM
lisbon will definitely share the truth about hafner with jane. he's not her bosom buddy. jane is her closest friend. no way will she think she has a better plan to use ray than jane would. and no way would she betray jane that way. she would be undermining his entire investigation.
jane might use hafner to give red john disinformation. then he can observe who in cbi or in visualize or anyone else on his list, acts on that info.
i think teresa is pissed that hafner suddenly acted like her best friend, tried to elicit any info he could get about her relationship with jane, then led her down the primrose path with his job offer. even though she said right away she didn't want it, it's nice to be asked. then she found out he was buying her off the case. he made a fool of her, grrr.
January 28th, 2013 3:13 PM
CBI Agent Haffner is Red John.
January 28th, 2013 2:52 PM
I think saying that Lisbon is hiding Hefnar's being a part of Visualze is pure speculation at this point. I thought she was a tad gob smacked by the extent of Jane's solo project and excited to hear his list. I think she is tired of being shut out and a tad overwhelmed to be let in. This show frequently lets the audience think they see things one way to only later reveal that everyone is in on it. I'm inclined to think Hefnar not being specifically mentioned and the ending being mid sentence conversation is about creating drama. We get three weeks to wonder until the next episode.
January 28th, 2013 2:40 PM
I didn't get the feeling that Lisbon was intentionally keeping Hafner's Visualize involvement a secret. It felt like she was going up there to talk to him about everything and just got distracted when she saw Jane's board. They don't always show the audience everything. I also don't think Jane has a problem trusting Lisbon or that she has a problem keeping secrets. He confided in her about Timothy Carter not really being Red John and Lisbon kept that secret from Agent Darcy et al for a good part of season two. Jane also confided in Lisbon about Hightower's innocence which she also kept a secret for most of season three. And of course he immediately contacted her about his plan to catch Red John after Lorelei made contact.
Rank: Recurring Character
January 28th, 2013 2:16 PM
@ariehl makes a really good point, although it didn't come off as intentional and we were cut off in the middle of their conversation. But yeah, it probably wasn't intentional and now we see Lisbon try to conceal info from Jane after years of the otherway around. Hmmmm, the drama builds, like I said Lisbon obviously is not the best at lying or keeping information but she is doing this either a) to protect Hafner as a friend b) she doesn't want Jane to know this because either she has a better plan that can't involve Jane or she fears Jane will get overzealous about knowing the fact someone in the CBI probably knows all about Red John. I'm betting on both in whatever combination, and the idea of Lisbon trying to protect Hafner because she fears Janes reaction is intriguing(espec since Jane finally showed some trust and openness to letting Lisbon on his investigation)
January 28th, 2013 1:33 PM
I am getting tired of the RJ meme and ready for it to be over. Let Jane move on to other crimes and get some better writers on board. RJ is someone we have already met, that is pretty obvious to me and should be to anyone who follows a series like The Mentalist. Since it has been revealed that RJ has been in the serial killing business for at least 25 years, could it be that one RJ dies off and another one follows in his footsteps much the same as The Gormagon cannibalistic character in Bones who developed a new follower to take his place when he retired or died? Or maybe RJ is a collection of serial killers, at this point, I am ready for closure on the character. If it keeps up much longer, The Mentalist will come off of my viewing schedule which is already limited to a small number of shows anyway.
January 28th, 2013 1:26 PM
Enough Red John already, besides if anybody is a killer here its CBS for placing this excellent show at 10 (?) after all that sports business. This keeps up and they'll all be dead and gone ☺