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I was just thinking. Simon just got a star on the Walk of Fame. Surely they wouldn't cancel his signature show right after that??
Rationalgal, I'm a believer! I, like you have seem many little dead bodies. God gave us all a free will and a free life. We do not live in the Garden of Eden anymore. Just because people can't show that God is, doesn't mean he isn't. But I do however respect your right to believe in what ever you like.
Rationalgal, you are breaking my heart.
I'm not sure he doesn't believe in an after life. The only thing I've seen him dismiss is talking to spirits. That's what he was telling K. Frye. That's why he made the ghost buster reference. Jane respects Lisbon's right to be in a religious box. If he didn't believe in the after life, why would he talk to his wife sometimes. I think the show shows the contrast in believing in the same thing two different ways. When Jane said this is a church, he was telling her to have some respect because she was in a church. I think at this point we are going to have to agree to disagree.
Ani, I need to clear up something about how people behave when they are about to die. Atheists do NOT revert to religion. I have been with several atheists as they died - friends and family members. Every one accepted it as the inevitable end of life. We tend to take death in stride for the reality it is. At least death in old age or in terrible physical circumstances. Kids? No. That is just SO heartbreaking. I know all about that and all I can say is that if there were a god coffins would not come in child sizes. We're on our own in this world and the important thing is to stick together and help each other. That's all the religion anyone needs.
Sorry the systme screwed up my last two posts. You need to know I am a well-informed atheist. I understand where Jane is coming from. He wants to comfort Lisbon. We do that when it helps our believing friends and family. He knew using a god expression would help calm Lisbon. He did it for her beliefs, not his. He loves her and thinks of what she needs. As for bible quotes, atheists generally know more about them than a lot of believers. I quote the bible all the time if it makes my point and helps believers understand me. When Jane talked of coming through the valley [of the shadow] of death, he said it in the context of complaining of being cattle prodded all week. He was doing a little plaintive humorous whining.
RJ is an atheist too but he is evil. Lisbon is religious but she does good. Gupta (the bomb vest guy) said he was "deeply religious" but he was evil. Jane will challenge the theology of evil believers but is not interested in doing so with good believers like Lisbon. He dismisses the idea of an afterlife. (To Kristina: "Please! Will you stop this nonsense!") I think the show has paired Jane and Lisbon this way to show that it's not what you believe but how you behave that counts. They respect each other's religious opinions and even kid around about it ("This IS a church!" - wry humor there). I enjoy seeing Jane portrayed as an atheist because I share his worldview. His portrayal is spot-on.
RJ is an atheist too but he is evil. Lisbon is religious but she does good. Gupta (the bomb vest guy) said he was "deeply religious" but he was evil. Jane will challenge the theology of evil believers but is not interested in doing so with good believers like Lisbon. He dismisses the idea of an afterlife. (To Kristina: "Please! Will you stop this nonsense!") I think the show has paired Jane and Lisbon this way to show that it's not what you believe but how you behave that counts. They respect each other's religious opinions and even kid around about it ("This IS a church!" - wry humor there). If Jane were religious he would be praying to God to punish RJ instead of seeking vengence. Personally I like seeing Jane portrayed as an atheist because I share his worldview. Like all the atheists I know his is spot-on.
Rationalgal, in the episode ball of fire, Lisbon and Jane were about to be burned alive! Jane was speaking from his heart when he said that. When you are about to die you will revert back to what you really believe. Rationalgal, why do you think Jane is an atheists? Where in the series was that ever proven? I know you keep saying that, but can you explain that to me.
You know KM?, I just might agree with you on Jane being a pantheist? It seems to sort of fit. I am more inclined to lean your way if my theory is wrong. This will be something I will actively look for when I watch the show. Yet I can not get over how he made that statement to Lisbon with such conviction. KM?, you have a theory, do you have anything to substantiate it?
THAT'S WHY I LOVE THIS SITE! PANTHEIST!!!!!! WOW! I'M DOIN' THE HARLEM SHAKE RIGHT NOW!
The Patrick Jane character is an atheist. Atheists routinely use god-talk informally, picked up as a cultural habit with no more meaning than saying "Goodbye" (God be with you), just as expressions related to the Greco-Roman gods are used. In Red Brick and Ivy, Jane (pretending to be programmed for evil) pointed the gun and said, good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things. That is taken from a statement by Nobel Laureate and physicist Stephen Weinberg that with or without religion good people will do good things and evil people will do bad things, but for good people to do bad things, that takes religion. The writers knew that quote and put it in Jane's mouth because jane is an atheist. (continued in next email)
@ Anitraward 1,
I have always seen Jane as less of an atheist and more of a panentheist. It is supernatural theism that he seems to out right reject. He rejects divine intervention. He rejects hell. Frankly a good number of theologians reject it as well. He fears heaven. He rejects the idea of confirming to religious doctrine or rules. We know he is well read, hence no surprise that he would use scripture to poke Lisbon. Lastly, the entire couch from the "Where's my apple" scene was not scripted (according to the cast and writers). I think both Baker and Tunney were raised RC, besides the 23 Psalm is one of the most well known Bible scriptures to the world.
Cont.- In the episode the Crimson Hat whe Jane and Lisbon are in the church and Lisbon keeps calling Jane a son of a B**th. Jane says WE ARE IN A CHURCH! In the episode Bloodstream he tells Lisbon she can touch the hem of his garmet. I don't think Jane is a religious person but I know he believes in God. I think the death of his family made him question God and Jane is angy with God right now and has turned away. An atheists would not make these quotes!
Here is my proof that Patrick Janes is not an atheist! There are a few episodes where Jane makes references to GOD. But! The episodes I found proves that he not. Now I know some of you quote the Pilot, BREAD ROLLS AND NAUTICAL CATCH! But I say that Jane was playing himself close to the chest and didn't want anyone to know how he really felt. That's why he jumped all over Rigsby and embarrassed him, Jane deflected. In the episode Ball of Fire Jane says the following to Lisbon; Lisbon, I'm sorry, this is my fault. AS GOD IS MY WITNESS I WILL NOT LET YOU BURN! In the same episode at the end, Jane says, I come the the valley of death.
Caught Redemption on TNT earlier. Really like that episode, and Red Badge -- lots of Jisbon time! She's kicking ass and taking names in the former and vulnerable and needy in the latter. So many good moments.
the instinct to sleep under the bed for a week shows that you're a consistent mom and that she can count on you. what shines through is how much energy you put into being there for your daughter. not all mothers would do what you do. i'm sure your daughter knows that.
simon has "it." as they say in gypsy, "some people got it and make it pay, some people can't even give it away." that's why we write about him. everyone else is a satellite revolving around him. tough, but true.
I went and looked at Simon's ceremony on the walk of fame. It was touching. It's on youtube now.
Hi all! Thanks for your comments on my post. Huisclothes, Huisclothes, Huisclothes! Ithink you missed the finer points. The spotlight was not by choice, it was dictated by the situation. If my daughter was scared of the boogie man, I would have slept under for bed for a week to show her there was no such a thing! My gifts and talents were not the point, we all have those! I just did not want my daughter to be mesmerized by the same gifts and talents she already possesses and never knew she had.
THE JOURNEY TO GET HER TO THAT POINT WAS.......AMAZING!
Bunch of great pix on The Mentalist Fan Facebook page
So great to hear that Simon broke down and cried at his acceptance speech! It means he felt the honor deeply, especially since he's worked so hard for so long ("a long hard slog for 20 years scratching out a living") at being a great actor. To know he finally made it to this level must surely have been an emotional high point for him. So many great actors work just as hard but don't have the luck and timing and connections that talent needs for the public acknowledgment they deserve. Some of the guest actors on TM have been spectacular but are missing the luck/timing/connections (and perhaps even the relentless drive) to go further. I find it sad to see great talent unrecognized, but there is just so much of it out there and so little room at the top.
Here's some snaps.
is it me or Lisbon wear ear rings in the new epi? it looks like they make her much more attractive and feminine.
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