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January 22nd, 2013 3:29 PM
@KM - The hypnotized while institutionalized theory is interesting. But the issue I have with it is that at that point, why would Red John really haved cared enough about Jane to go to the trouble of doing something like that. It seems like he irritated Red John by talking about him on TV, so RJ retaliated and killed his family. That hit Jane so hard he had a breakdown. I'm sure RJ thought that was the last he would hear from Patrick Jane. I doubt he expected him to join the CBI and make it his mission to hunt RJ down. I admit it is possible, I just don't think it is likely. The think Jane's pursuit came as a surprise to RJ, and that is what really got him interested.
January 22nd, 2013 2:35 PM
@ huisclothes, Perhaps? Maybe some people have been erased? Maybe it keeps him from obsessing over Stiles? It just seems he was handed things in the 100th episode, like things were already in play high up. Space was made for him. Maybe it is a case of keeping your enemy close by RJ? Maybe he thought that both Jane and Lisbon were controllable? Jane never was and Lisbon is revealing that she is both loyal to Jane and that she is going to follow her ethical core instead of codes of conduct. I'm just musing. Tis fun.
January 22nd, 2013 2:15 PM
@huisclothes:thank's for the "ellen" info! @ b&w&r: tv.com lists 3 shows in feb. I guess we'll see. Great comments of all of you - I really enjoy this conversation! Lot's of thoughts on about the show that I can think about! Keep it comming!
January 22nd, 2013 1:41 PM
@watcher. sorry for pituitary bashing. they're great athletes. chacun 'a son gout. i think they've written some great stories but actually last season toward the end had some embarrassingly cutesy one-offs -- though that might be exactly what attracts those outside the cult.
actually you make me think of the show constantly adjusting (probably with cloven-hoofed interference from cbs) to what they perceived as the desires of the public. maybe last year, they were told they had to provide one-offs and not get too heavy. and remember season two where they had to have at least 3 money shots of simon's smile per ep?
and yes, it's annoying that you have to measure out the number of lines you're allowed. also makes it a pain to read other people's comments when you have to search for part two or three or four. it's happening. i'm getting cut off...
January 22nd, 2013 1:22 PM
cont'd They should write good stories people want to watch instead of rushed, nonsensical endings like they did with Little Red Corvette. Just the 2 cents of a fellow fan.
On an unrelated note, does anyone else get annoyed with their messages being cut off for being too long? I have never seen any other site do this.
January 22nd, 2013 1:19 PM
@huisclothes - whoa, easy there! Don't bash the pituitary cases! LOL
I like The Mentalist (I care enough to be here) but I also like sports. Though I understand your annoyance...I hate all the self-congratulatory awards shows and get irritated when they preempt something I want to watch, so I get where you're coming from.
But people can do both. And the best way for CBS to build a constant viewership is to write consistently good stories. If the show is good enough, people will follow it/record it/whatever. This show has been on 5 years, everybody knows about it. They have lost a few millions viewers over the past few years. Only part of that is due to football. There was a noticeable drop between season 3 and 4 as well. That happened for non-sports related reasons...clearly some people decided the show was no longer as entertaining to them as it had been in years past. If they want to keep the viewers they have now, and maybe get a few back, then they should write g
January 22nd, 2013 1:19 PM
just thinking. why didn't jane hypnotize lorelei? or at least, try?
January 22nd, 2013 12:58 PM
@km. ohhh. you're thinking it happened when he was institutionalized? and he's been seeded with some command that will be triggered? like the manchurian candidate? dunno. certainly fun to toss around in one's mind.
January 22nd, 2013 12:54 PM
one episode till march 3rd? this must be because of that stupid basketball thing that puts the universe on hold. what's it called? NCAA? BBDO? UJA? EiEiO? thanks cbs, way to screw up any chance of the show building up a constant viewership. the mentalist, is that still on? no, but if you want to watch a bunch of pituitary cases run around with a ball, you've come to the right place. i am blessed. my husband hates team sports. as far as i'm concerned, that alone gives him carte blanche to go out drinking and womanizing.
January 22nd, 2013 12:53 PM
@ huisclothes Thanks for your thoughts. It would complicate things or put "a hat on a hat". I must confess that I personally would not be disappointed in Jane if succumbed while he was institutionalized seeing he was overwhelmed with grief and likely very medicated. Maybe the remention of his having been institutionalized in the 100th episode was just to present him as a bit of a loose canon to the CBI and an implied reason to keep the FBI in the loop? I remember his being institutionalized was something that was kept out of his file, from Lisbon and the team, and he actually revealed it to Lisbon and asked her to keep it private in the first season, episode 10 (Red Brick and Ivy).
January 22nd, 2013 12:45 PM
another interesting tidbit, besides cbi agent, ray hafner making a return appearance in the red barn, jason cooper of visualize will reappear. he was the bald member with glasses who intrigued to take stiles' place when stiles was charged with murder. brett wasn't too happy with him. likely, he got driven from the fold so the exposure of this 25 year old case might be his revenge. both ray and jason have reason to harm jane.
also, has anyone seen the promo for red barn? i've seen stills but usually you can find the promo by tuesday.
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January 22nd, 2013 12:40 PM
So I was looking at the upcoming schedule, after this episode there is only 1 episode until March 3rd. And in March we go off on a streak with 4 straight weeks of episodes(that is very rare for any show on CBS), that leads me to believe there building up a storyline for March that will have major ramifications. I think what there doing with the Red Barn this weekend is laying the ground by giving us a background on how Red John connects to Visualize and adding some info to the mystery behind Visualize. And then in March, I think we see a story built around that which will provide us alot of information about a) Red John b) the direction of this show and where its heading.
January 22nd, 2013 12:14 PM
if anyone cares, simon is on ellen tomorrow. if i can get hold of some compazine and keep my lunch down during the the dancing, i'll tune in. simon is guileless and tends to spit out whatever's on his mind. he knows he's bad at these talk shows - he's too normal - so we may get a hint of what's going on with the show.
January 22nd, 2013 11:52 AM
Entwife, I have not forgotten the question I asked you. I read your comment and have formulated a theroy that will possibly explain this behavior. This theory will possibly reduce the suspect list as well. If not, Watson! I challenge you to ratiocinate my theory and show me the error in my thinking!I will post tomorrow. In a true MENTALIST fashion, I want to give you some time to consider the possibilities!:)
January 22nd, 2013 11:12 AM
@km. having tea too. no, interesting concept though. if something like that had happened in devil's cherry, i think it would put a bad aftertaste on that ep. also would be "a hat on a hat" -- piling too many concepts on one ep trying to be clever. if jane was hypnotized, i think the audience would have to see it being done -- too important a story point to have happen off-screen. it would deserve its own episode.
i must say it's hard to imagine patrick truly succumbing. we'd all be disappointed with him. probably more fun to have him fake it with someone who's a master. he pretended to be hypnotized by ellis mars in red moon and it was hysterical - the little nuances of simon's face. but in some more serious, critical to the plot instance, who knows...
January 22nd, 2013 9:46 AM
Does anyone else ever contemplate the idea that Jane's memory palace could have been altered during his hospital stay? That he could be hypnotized to not recognize certain individuals? Such as Jane not knowing Kirkland. It could be that Kirkland knows Jane via paperwork and information from some superior or they actually know each other and Jane can't recognize him? Could Jane's mind have been so distraught when hospitalized that he was able to be hypnotized? Maybe my tea is not cutting it and I better make myself a flat white pronto? Heh.
January 22nd, 2013 3:36 AM
There are so many wonderful ideas here. While there have been some missteps along the way (since the powerful S3 finale, imo), I think – especially with this season 5 – that there have been some really great episodes. And I think that’s why we’re all still here today (at this crazy hour! ;) adding our 2 cents. I love the show and I’m happy to let the writers take us on their journey, but at the same time I’m hoping The Mentalist doesn’t suffer the same fate as another one of my favourite shows, LOST, and end up letting us hard-core fans down in the end by rushing to tie up all the loose ends.
January 22nd, 2013 3:28 AM
@huisclothes: you’re too funny! ...still laughing:)
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January 22nd, 2013 2:34 AM
Red John as a group in theory would make sense but the way the show has approached the issue, making it so personal about Red John and making it an issue of knowing what he is personally at that individual level and the way Bruno talks about RJ, there has to be one main guy driving it all. Ive always thought that the actual Red John was someone we haven't seen in the show(there just aren't enough characters we see with any regularity that it would add intrigue). But if this show is down to what's now its final 12 episodes, considering how little has been done with the case, I can't see how they introduce a new character now, integrate it into the plot and make him RJ. So I guess it has to be someone we've seen, but like we've said, there's just nobody we can really speculate on or feel good about.
January 22nd, 2013 2:09 AM
@b&w&r. ditto for me. i can't really come up with a red john theory that really holds together. and i haven't read one that doesn't make me nod off pretty quickly. we're looking for an ending that's completely original and surprising yet somehow inevitable. tall order.
also, jane isn't working with the fbi.
and red john's a guy
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January 22nd, 2013 1:55 AM
Really there two angles this RJ storyline will come down to a) Visualize: The show has kept an aura of mystery and intrigue about this for 2+yrs now for a reason. There's something big here; what we don't really know, but we can start to imagine what it is after this week's episode. b) What Bruno said in the opener about RJ's friend in the FBI and how the show will bring a bunch of characters and we won't know who's RJ's friend. That idea, which hasn't really been developed this year, with those FBI agents like Mancini and Schultz and perhaps Homeland's Kirland, is going to tie into the RJ plot in some way just like 2 years ago with CBI mole, that I can guraantee. And keep an eye out for the aftermath of Brenda and her status as a mole, I think it's possible the show just casts it aside(which would be a mistake) but if they don't, that's something really juicy potentially.
January 22nd, 2013 1:55 AM
@watcher. agree about fbi. patrick is self-employed. he works for patrick. regarding van pelt. i think her encounter with stiles shows her innocence (never seen her look so beautiful as in those close ups) and also how tough she's become. she came away with a few nice gifts: how to deal with the anger she feels and that a 3000 pound gorilla like stiles could want her badly (in all sorts of ways) and she could handle him and tap-dance away. i love that this was the second time, the first being in russet potatoes that she's told some big-ass guru that he was good but nowhere as good as jane. i don't think she was trying to infiltrate visualize and i think it would take stiles like a second to suss that out. i don't mind if the writers don't know the ending. the writing process has to leave room for discovery. just hope it's a good one.
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January 22nd, 2013 1:52 AM
and is why he was so desperate for the FBI not to take the case. The problem with Frye and other older characters is what we talked about earlier: how late are you willing to go back to make ties into this RJ plot? The only character that has been sustained is Stiles and like we said before we all pretty much can figure out he has major ties and info in this RJ case. And that's why this show has put us in a peculiar spot, we really have no info to make a reasonable case for anybody being RJ. It's all just speculation, all we can say is "oh this random guy could be connected in some way like O'Laughlin was 2 years ago". All the names that get thrown out, CBI Ron, Ardiles, La Roche, Mashburn, its all just throwing darts at a wall and hoping one sticks with no real rhyme or reason because there can't be any.
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January 22nd, 2013 1:47 AM
@rationalgal: There a couple reasons why the RJ could be a female hasn't picked up steam 1) Lorelei referred to RJ as he about 8 million times to Jane and it wasn't to trick him at all 2) RJ has alot of ex's, notably Rosiland Harker. As much as we know, Harker is not a lesbian and talked about RJ as a male and when asked to feel a male's body to see if it was RJ or not, didn't object in anyway. So unless the show wants to pull an all time credibility killing trick(and I mean this would be an all timer) and act like Harker didn't know RJ was a man or is a lesbian this whole time without saying and making it seem like she clearly wasn't, RJ will be a guy.
Also Jane in an FBI plot? Hmmm, interesting but a) Jane hasnt exactly been looking to get people involved in his RJ hunt, he's tried to isolate himself as much as possible b) He already showed in the opener he has no trust in the FBI and knows RJ has a friend in there. Working with the FBI is exactly what he would most fear and is why
January 22nd, 2013 1:36 AM
@huisclothes & rationalgal - I don't buy Jane being part of an FBI plan to get RJ and leaving Stiles alone because of that. When has Jane ever shown any patience? When has he ever let somebody else call the shots when it came to Red John? Or trusted the FBI? Never, that's when. Stiles has been around since season 2...there is no way jane would leave him alone for 3 years because the FBI said so. And if Van Pelt was going to infiltrate Visualize, why would she wait 3 years to do so? No, as much as I would like to think this will all be cleverly explained down the road, the most likely explanation is that the writers screwed up. They never really had a plan other than "Jane gets Red John at the end". It's that simple. It's why there are now plot holes.