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the last run as I am. If we get lucky, celebrate, but really savor this second half. And yes @huisclothes, so far what you're saying has been true, the ratings for both episodes coming out of break have been solid and definitely better than what we saw in the fall. Whether or not its because people fear the end of the show I'm not sure, it might also be just the intriguing Volker arc, we'll see.
2) This show ends when Red John's story does. That's been the central theme of the show and Bruno has said as much we will see Jane meet Red John in the series finale. For those, including myself, hoping for a post Red John Jane season, unfortunately we won't get it. Bruno hedged his bet on making this show all about the pursuit of Red John, the afterlife either didn't intrigue him or was too hard to write. We can argue about whether or not Bruno made a good choice. For me, they paid the price of making the arc about Red John at the end of season 3 when they weren't sure if they would be rene
I'm kind of late here but let me chime in:
1) The ratings really aren't going to influence whether or not they get renewed. Its the syndication deal and the allure of the Good Wife. If it were just down to ratings, the Mentalist would get renewed because theyve been ok for the slot(and they might not have moved from Thursday night either). It's not, its the syndication deal that CBS doesn't benefit that much from and the fact CBS is in love with the Good Wife to death(also the fact the Good Wife gets nominated for awards which obviously helps CBS) and has stuck with it as its pet project for years despite bad ratings. The only way this show gets renewed is if if a) CBS chooses the Mentalist over the Good Wife(not particularly likely) b) They decide to push off Undercover boss to bring back both which would likely hurt Friday night ratings(rather unlikely). If you combine two unlikely possibilities you get a higher probability, but all Mentalist fans should be prepared for this to be
huisclothes- you're probably right. I hadn't thought of that. People who like the Red John story will watch because they are getting more Red John. People who don't like the RJ story will still be happy because they think it is coming to the end. Ratings will probably be good the rest of this season because both groups will watch. Then next season one of the two groups of fans will be unhappy, but by then the show will have been renewed! Good strategy.
Lisbon has always been in the gray area of moralitty, as the other characters in the series, so her behavior does not surprise me. I love it. Before meeting Jane she withheld evidence about Sam Bosco very serious: he killed someone. That makes her an accomplice to his crime.
@rationalgal and watcher. what if they're going to wrap up the red john thread no matter what since the solution to the big mystery would generate high ratings and armed with good numbers, they'd get a sixth season. what think you?
take a look at the beautiful still of patrick in front of the barn. tv.com
Air Date-Jan. 27th 2013
The Red Barn
Overview-The CBI work on a 25 yr. old case which is connected to Visualize and Red John. Lisbon also thinks about her future afer the arrest of Tommy Volker.
patrick jane is the best character on the air. if we can get a season six, i will be happy. prefer red john to stay as the focus. but when push comes to shove, will be glad to get 24 more episodes. they can do musical comedy.
That ending was so disappointing! Volker was built up to be so creepy, so well connected and smart. all of a sudden, he decided to drive a killer to location and told him to go kill. They said he likes looking at a killings earlier, so for him to stay in the car made no senses. Then he decided to chase a kid down in broad day light by himself? This is supposedly the same guy who scared killer into committing suicide simply with a threat, the same guy who talked an intelligent man into committing murder on a dare!
I agree with you. I just suspect that they will try to keep Red John going next season (assuming it is renewed) because they don't know how to develop Jane's personality post Red John. It takes thought and good writing. Thus far they have relied on regurgitating the same RJ plot over and over...Jane comes up with crazy plan, gets close, and fails. I hope I'm wrong and they do end it this year.
They can (not doubt will) kill off or otherwise dispose of RJ at the end of this season but the only way they can continue successfully with a season 6 is to use it to fill out the character of Patrick Jane. Lots of complexity there that would be fascinating to see unfold. Lots of background material available for great plot development. Jane doesn't have to be chasing RJ to sustain the series. He can show how his character changes in the absence of a revenge motive. He could continue with Visualize as a protagonist cult to deal with. His relationship with the CBI team could take a more compelling and endearing turn. I would love to watch a season devoted to all these aspects of what we have been given only tantalizing insights into. Jane is IMHO the most fascinating TV character ever, hands down. It deserves to go on.
Rationalgal, maybe they are worried about cancellation. It is not a sure thing to be renewed and it likely depends on how rating go for the rest of the season. Since they may not know before they film the season finale, they may be trying to wrap things up just in case. All I can say is that if they pull another stunt like they did at the end of season 3 (getting Red John and then telling us at the start of season 4 that is really wasn't him so that they can keep that story going) then it won't matter to me if they are renewed...I won't watch season 6 if they try something like that again. The boy can only cry wolf so many times before the wolf eats him.
All the impossibilities in this episode only make me think the writers are trying to wind up the series with very little time left to do it. So Brenda is suddenly inexplicably knowledgable, Volker is introduced so Lisbon can be shown picking up Jane's tactics wholesale, Ardiles is shown to have secrets we didn't know about (that will surely be crucial to winding up the Red John case), and we even get stepped up hints that Jane's revenge quest hides a secret involvement with the FBI (remember the strange episode where he stumbled into CBI from the mental hospital and was basically handed the RJ case). So it wind-the-series-up-fast time. We just have to get the Visualize pieces in place and work up a suitable ending for RJ and it's off into the sunset.
Anitraward1, I agree with you on Jane feeding her information seeming odd. I noticed when she asked about Ardiles and he said "who makes it their business to know everybody's business". Seriously? Brenda is in public relations for the CBI. PR people know only what management tells them, and only things the media finds out about. She would not know about a secret scandal. I find it EXTREMELY unlikely she would know about a secret Ardiles has, since he does not even work for the CBI. The DA's office is separate. Even if she by chance found something out, Jane would have no way of knowing. They have never before indicated this woman know's everybody's secrets.
One final comment. The CBI must be the most corrupt organization on the face of the earth. Everybody there is a mole for somebody else (Red John, Volker, God only knows who else.) I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't have a CBI informant, and frankly I'm starting to feel a little left out! The state or federal government should shut down the entire organization.
Jane made me really suspicious every time he gave Lisbon a clue. It alawys seemed like he knew more then he was telling her. He almost seemed like a plant. He seemed like he was operating on a whole defferent level, almost like he is connected to the government in some way on covert ops. Something really sneaky is going on! There are too many people connected to the CBI with dirt on them! Let's not forget about La Roche with his secrect tupperware box. What's in there?
I'm going to pull out my cyrstal ball.........I see Bret Stiles showing up soon!
I also thought the scene where he goes to the CBI office to be contrived. The only purpose for that scene was to give Jane a chance to make his speech. It felt off to me. If Volker wanted to tell Lisbon to drop the investigation, he would call her again (seems he has her on speed dial) or, more likely, have his lawyer threaten the CBI with a lawsuit. Bertram would probably put a halt to things if he did that. Also I hated when Lisbon threw the vase. Such a cliche. I have never seen anyone do that in real life, yet TV characters constantly throw things. Maybe I just know really calm people! And even though the office was cleaned out, the vase was left there. But the flowers that were in it were gone. Made me laugh at least.
Volker is smart enough to realize that children are NOT considered the most reliable witnesses. Especially one who was kidnapped 2 months ago. A good lawyer could almost certainly discredit him, especially considering they really have no hard evidence other than the kid. Plus, he could hire another hit man willing to kill a child and take him out later...I'm sure Brenda could find his location, even if the CBI gives him protection. I just don't believe he would fall apart like that. The man is devious and used to finding creative ways around problems. He would's leave fingerprints all over the apartment then kidnap a kid in front of hundreds of witnesses.
very disappointed. The first 2 Volker episodes were fantastic. And about half of this episode was fantastic. However, it fell apart at the end. The ending was so horrifically bad that it ruined the entire episode. I think the writer ran out of inspiration or ran out of time and just wrote anything. Volker was a great bad guy for 2 1/2 episodes...so complex, so cold, so calculating. He is responsible for killing an entire village and watching at least 2 people be killed, yet I'm supposed to believe he panics and falls apart at the first sign of trouble like an amateur? Please.
Remember the list LaRoche gave to Jane with the 4 names on it? In one episode 2 names have been exposed. The last name on that list is Bertram!
A WHO! A WHAT! AND A HUH? Wow! What a tangled web we weave! Great episode! Soooo.....Now! Everyboby is getting dirty! What kind of power does Volker have to make a person just step off a curb in front of a bus a kill themselves over the phone? And! And! And! you have to know Annabell is dead! Volker gave her the kiss of death. Did you see her face when she walked out of the room? She knew she was a gonner. NEXT! What kind of relationship did Brenda agree to be in? Was it an agreement with......Ohhhh let's say...... THE DEVIL! What didn't she agree to? Who or what is Volker connected with to wield this kind of power. You would have thought he would have used some of that power for himself instead of breaking down like that. I would have punched him too!
@tb. agree as do many of the fixtures of this group. except for jane's takedown of volker (i love a pissed patrick with a snake in his jaws), it was a real nothing. jane played nice with the team and gave lisbon pointers on how to be jane. volker was an obvious candy ass from the beginning. needed mirroring about how terrifying he was hence the constant calls and visitations to lisbon. what did he want, a biscuit? the volker arc was served up as lisbon's red john. guess that was hard to pull off in three episodes but when you think about the depth and shading they gave brett stiles in just one ep., volker was never going to provide that kind of dramatic traction. he was too one-note. so they tried piling on the scary: the killer of an indigenous tribe, who liked to watch people get strangled, who was willing to kill a kid and what else...not floss regularly, then shoot bambi's mother? the writers were grasping.
I thought it was a bad ending/conclusion to Lisbons arc. Since, I haven't heard about Volker returning, I am thinking that this ending really is the end of his character. If so, it is very sad and it "missed the ball" by a long shot. I really like the mentalist, but the chase, shooting, arrest all seemed, for a lack of a better word, SAD and very lacking in development. I hope that the next ep. is a good one, cause I didn't like this one at all.
hi kansas guest (or may i call you kansas for short? haven't seen csi (maybe the only one in the world) so i haven't seen that. maybe if he'd just held it by the handles. or perhaps the bag has to be folded pup tent style?
Love the Mentalist. It's a shame you stuck it on such a bad night. Football delays and other shows put it in a bad time. It's a great show. Please do right with it.
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