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@huisclothes - Don't items from the evidence room get taken out/given back in brown paper bags? That's what I always see in CSI. The car was removed from the scene as evidence in order to process it for DNA. Jane had to take it out of evidence to return it to Marvin's mom.
@kansas guest. i think that lisbon was the first person to put consistent pressure on volker's hard candy shell. he was always fragile. in a first for him, he couldn't scare lisbon away. she kept hammering at him. and when jane got a look at him, he immediately understood the guy was just a ruff-tuff cream puff. it took very little to put him over the edge.
also, how did the woman judge come back into the picture? wasn't she threatened away by volker in days of wine and roses?
did anyone pick up on that big bozo of a shopping bag jane was holding under his arm in the scene near the elevator with lisbon? lots of ways to tote that little car that didn't involve looking like you were using a hefty bag as a clutch. weird choice by the director, props person, simon, somebody?
@huisclothes - True. The "Snidely Whiplash" routine was so inconsistent from the Volker who evaded being associated to any crime for years. He was portrayed 95% of the time as cold & calculating. Then, to wrap up his arc quickly, he goes over the emotional rails over a child. The guy's a billionaire. Why didn't he just fly himself out of the country & set up shop on a remote tropical island, like that one on LOST. ;-)
@kansas guest. agree with your comments. even considered from purely a creative point of view, the zoo and the endangered kid and the chase didn't make a great ending. but the writers chose to make volker a one-note bad guy who's laughably insecure and devoid of all insight. so it was consistent that they caught him in an old-fashioned perils of pauline way - one step away from finding him tying a damsel to the railroad tracks.
CONT'D FROM BELOW...Basically, in the time it took Tommy Volker to drive to the zoo, they would have known he was coming and that place would have been locked up as tight as a drum. They could have still written the final hunt scenes so Marvin would not be in real danger, and Volker would have realized that his every move had been filmed and recorded from the point where he entered the apartment building. "Kids as bait" scenarios are not appealing to me any more, even in dramatic situations.
I know the final scenes where Volker was hunting down Marvin were contrived and over-the-top to add drama. But, did they have to make law enforcement look so stupid. COME ON! I'm a parent. Since Sandy Hook, I've received so much information on safety procedures in schools that I feel comfortable outlining the following: when it comes to the safety of children, law enforcement is capable of locating your child so quickly, it will make your head spin. First, the CBI would not be *driving* around to find your kid, especially if his life was danger. They would have 1) contacted the guardian at work; 2) called the school to locate his class; 3) if indeed at the zoo, the zoo would be locked down and all surveillance used to locate Volker (zoos have a lot of security on hand, especially if schools are there on field trips). This could be done in under 20 minutes because unfortunately, domestic violence situations have made these procedures more common than we'd like to think...CONT'D
if they actually do want to bring bad people to justice, the cbi team would be nuts not to adopt jane's methods or to assist jane. nine years into his career at the cbi, having everyone roll their eyes or balk at some plan of jane's strains credulity. lisbon has certainly participated in jane's schemes in the past but in this ep, she channeled him. she needed just the tiniest hints from him. minelli once said to jane, "congratulations, you got her to drink the kook-aid." guess so. also, glad patrick didn't upstage her. that was nice.
Ray, I hope you're wrong and this isn't the last season for this great show. I usually try to look at the Neilsen weekly ratings and excluding sports in prime, it still seems to have good numbers. CBS should not have moved it from Thursday. I really enjoyed the last 2 episodes and I know we'll see more of Volker in the coming episodes. I loved that Lisbon got a little bit of Zeva in her and punched Volker in the face. I have always mistrusted Brenda and I'm sure she has something to do with RJ and we haven't heard the last of her and Ardiles
I loved this episode! It was great to see Jane and Lisbon bond together to fight a real flesh and blood villain, that could actually be caught! In addition to Jane putting Volker in his place (which was awesome), was the fact that after Lisbon explained to Jane why getting Volker was so important to her (failing to protect the witness), Jane actually sat down with her to go through all those files, he did actual police work! We all know how he feels about that!
In some episodes when Jane has been distracted, Lisbon has taken him to task by saying he hasn't done anything on the case. Along the way several characters (I think all bosses) have referred to Lisbon's team as Jane's team, as if their job is to assist and control the CBI's Sherlock-like asset. And, I think the whole team accepts it (like Cho's earlier girlfriend hearing all about Jane or Grace doing Jane's research, and would Jane have to blackmail Rigsby anymore to get him to do something?). Just my thoughts on why Lisbon would adopt Jane's methods more so as time goes by.
I loved, loved this whole Tommy Volker arc. Henry Ian Cusick was incredibly good. I hope it's not over yet, I'd like to see more of him. Something tells me they'll have to release him since Lisbon punched him in the face during the arrest. that was a stupid move and I'm sure Volker will take advantage of it. If they're over with Volker, I hope they'll bring other multi-episodes story arcs instead of the usual Red John. Like many of you, I'm a fraid this show could get canceled. I just hope they move it to another night sunday is not a good night. It was performing so well on Thursday night, better than Elementary...
@b&w&red all over it. re: my comment about lisbon's look. i think she knows what a formidable weapon jane is and that she has access to him like no one else. that's pretty intoxicating stuff. because she spent the episode doing things jane's way, she really understood the creativity and sheer guts required. and when the time came, patrick stepped up and took care of her when it mattered.
Christine, I thought the same thing about the toy car, too. First, Jane should have known not to touch it with his bare hands in the first place, then he shows it to Lisbon and she says nothing and he's washed it up! What???
maybe laroche's list were all red john-keteers and there is a volker/red john connection. wonder if the furland case that brenda told lisbon to mention to ardiles is linked to red john.
i think it's easy to buy that lisbon has gone thru a transformation and crossed over to the jane-side of crime-stopping. volker was her red john. she tried getting him her way but then asked jane for help. jane, in great part, helped by giving her permission to act like him. may sam bosco rest in peace, but jane has, indeed, made her a better cop. i do hope volker is tied to red john. the cbi has him and he's not dead. so he could continue as a character off-stage. maybe, when we pick it up next, red john will have had volker wacked in prison.
Brenda the mole was a bomb dropping on me! Never saw that coming, adds a lot of interest to the plot line. Volker was completely decompensated when he went after the kid in the zoo, yeah a bit of a one-dimensional Snidely Whiplash (age reveal, oh well), but creepier, capable of any mayhem and murder at that point, desperate. He appears to use fear and terror to control his contacts, where Red John makes them more worshippers and minions, but the two are a matched set. Really good episode, portends loads of excitement, I can't believe it's another rerun or whatever next week. Come ON, CBS.
^continued: like they did there its usually for a reason. There leaving that Brenda thing open and I think they'll get back to it later in the year and like I said earlier, maybe that ties into the idea of us introducing people and not knowing if someone is Red John's friend. Also great description on the look Lisbon gave Jane @huisclothes, really interesting, when was the last time she ever did anything like that? That's definitely not something she would have done two years ago and this episode showed if nothing else the influence Jane has had on Lisbon and that's only more proof of that.
Considering Volker was only signed on for 3 episodes(someone correct me if I'm wrong and if this changed) it's going to be hard for them to have him play a big role in the story line from here on out, especially with a Red John connection. That'd just be way too simple and how the show made these Volker episodes all about Lisbon and her development makes me think its a bit much for them to tie this back to Red John. Then again, nothing would shock me.
@rationalgal: That's an interesting point that Ardiles was also on the list. I'm not buying that its going to be a simple Brenda also is tied with Red John(she might be but theres alot more to it than what we've seen), but there's something going on here and the show kept it at a loose end on purpose by a)keeping Brenda alive and nobody aware of her act b) openly saying more than once somebody has been feeding Volker information that has kept him one step ahead. That almost spells out accomplist. When the show spells it out on purpose l
I quite enjoyed it on the whole. Great episode. And yeah, since Volker isn't dead, I have a feeling that we haven't seen anywhere close to the end of him. Things are definitely getting interesting.
ok episode. no cringe-worthy moments. there was one point they wanted to make, "lisbon now acts like jane" and they made it over and over. volker (as i said from the first) is the most insecure arch-villain that ever lived. and so one-dimensional. my favorite moment: when jane stepped in to tongue-lash the crap out of volker after he came to the cbi to get lisbon to back off. lisbon gave jane the look you reserve for the guy who tosses a potential rapist through a plate glass window on your behalf. that was jane's version of caveman. thrilling. second favorite: when jane confronts volker at the nursery school. his understated threats; his sunny good looks. sigh, what a may-yun.
Brenda as a mole was a surprise. No doubt she is a mole for Red John too, and there is a connection there. It's not likely we have seen the last of Volker and that RJ will figure into that. The Brenda and Ardiles situations have me wondering if all five of the "mole" suspects in the Season 3 finale are followers of RJ, with a Volker tie-in, with only O'Laughlin assigned to kill Hightower. If Lisbon and Jane suspect that, they will be working together very closely now, probably on their own to avoid more CBI moles. Of course, they will end up together in more personal ways because of this. This episode looked to me like the beginning of the season (series?) windup where all the pieces start fitting together. Lots to think about. Great episode!
Remember Brenda was on LaRoche's list as one of the suspects in the Todd Johnson murder case back in season 3 who could be working with Red John. Bruno said back in August one of the themes of this season is we'd be presented alot of people and we wouldn't know if they really were who they showed and weren't one of Red John's friends. Thus far, we've seen Mancini, Alexa Schultz, Kirkland, Volker amongst others, but this really hasn't been a theme and the show hasn't given us anything concrete to base our speculation on. Maybe this is the start of that theme being portrayed with Brenda. And if it is, to get back to my initial point, then maybe this isn't the end of Volker. Is till tend to think the show had Volker more to just show the change in Lisbon but I'm not as sure as I was after last week's episode with Brenda clearly being a mole in the CBI.
^continued that i can gurantee. It'll also be interesting to see what kind of influence this has on the rest of the team. They only had Volker signed on for 3 episodes so don't look for him again in person. I'm torn on his influence from here on out. Throughout this arc what we were shown was the impact it had on Lisbon and her change. That was what this show focused on and was driven by, everything came back to Lisbon and her adaptation. So that leads me to believe this isn't about making Volker a long term threat or someone with Red John connections. But at the same time, there have to repercussions from Brenda being a mole. Again we saw with that one of the trends of this show of inside people you trust turning and working with criminals. It'll be really intriguing to see what happens from here on out; I'm not sure Volker just had dirt on her, she might have been working for him as more of an accomplist type way.
This was one of my favorite episodes even though the ending was pretty meh and predictable. First off the show did an outstanding job portraying Volker as a manipulative, scary, lethal character. They really did a good job showing fear in characters who worked with him(from the girl to the guy who committed suicide rather than face Volker's rath). That's what made this whole storyline believable of Lisbon dying to catch Volker. Lisbon has always shown signs of adapting to Jane's ways but this was a full on evolution. Not only did she do what Jane says he would do, she did it without much hesitation and seemed surprised at how easy it was. Not only that, she anticipated what Jane would say in one scene and was actually one step ahead of him in another of her plans(whens the last time that ever happened). We'll see where this goes from here but it's a conversion 5 years in the making and its surprising how it all happened so suddenly. And it will influence the Red John investigation and
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