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euterpe do you feel the confetti coming down! Your two cents is worth a million! BRAVO!

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Rationalgal, you are also right. It could all be very possible! The writer's are doing their jobs. This is the best chess game I've ever played! But I refuse to be mated!

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I do agree that many of the characters we know do have ties to RJ in one capacity or another, especially Brett Stiles. Just my 2₵…I believe RJ was a member of Visualize and once a follower of Stiles. But being charismatic himself, began to gain his own followers and ended up leaving Visualize. RJ may still respect Stiles on some level as his former mentor, and so he leaves him alone. Brett Stiles knows who RJ is, but probably leaves him alone because it’s not in his best interest to turn on him. Stiles may not necessarily agree with RJ’s psycho philosophy but as long as it doesn’t affect him, he doesn’t interfere. After all, we have been led to believe that Stiles himself is not averse to killing when it suits his need. Hopefully, more pieces of the puzzle will be provided tomorrow night.

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@rationalgal - You ask "So what friendship does Jane have that could be betrayed, that viewers would accept?" The audience does not have to be privy to the friendship for it to be a betrayal to Jane. For example, RJ could turn out to be Jane's father, a former client or even some unknown brother. In other words, a character we don't know but has a close connection to Jane. That would certainly be betrayal to the nth degree, and as a viewer I could accept that just fine. The betrayal is to Jane, not us. And since we are led to feel for Jane, since he is the protagonist of the story, any betrayal to him is a betrayal to us, whether we have known the betrayer all along or not.

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I don't think I'm goining to be disappointed. It's been such a long journey that I'm egger to know who it is, even if I do know already. I think with this show, it's mostly about the journey of the whole thing. The writer's really are giving us our money's worth. I can not think and I hope that the writer's with all of the spectactacular writing they've done so far will not disappoint us in the end. So far fo me they have been right on track! Must be, look what we are doing! This show will go down in the history of shows for me! Other shows are already stealing pages from this show! You can never touch the original!

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It's possible to have a showdown with the real Red John where most if not all of the killings were carried out by RJ stand-ins. Timothy Carter could very well have been the RJ who killed his family on orders from the real RJ. In that case, Jane will already have had his revenge, although he would still need to destroy the real RJ in some manner, physically or mentally. Both Jane and RJ have been obsessed, one with killing, the other with revenge. Both show signs of wanting to quit and move on - RJ speaking through Carter at the mall, Jane through his hallucinations of his daughter. The ending may show how this mutual desire is accomplished. We will probably be surprised. And yes, anitraward1, your suspicions about Darcy are on target.

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I think Wainright got the ax because he tried to bully Jane. Have you noticed that anybody who messes with Jane gets killed? Bosco put him in jail and took his case files, killed.

Wainright took his files and fired him, killed. Is there anyone I missed?

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The current characters have to be at least closely involved with RJ at various levels, otherwise they have had no point. Visualize and Stiles especially have to be very involved or they have no purpose in telling the story. Will RJ be someone unknown to us? Perhaps, but that would also be purposeless. For a dramatic ending we need betrayal of trust, sacrifice of self, redemption from a miserable past, and so on. Examples: Jane could be betrayed by a trusted friend who is really Red John, Lisbon could sacrifice her own interests to save Jane, together they could defeat Red John in whatever form he ends up being (many or one), and find redemption from their miserable pasts by finally being able to move on. So what friendship does Jane have that could be betrayed, that viewers would accept?

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This is what I forgot to put in about Susan Darcy and why I think she is connected to Red John. Susan Darcy was the very last one seen with Wainright.

Susan Darcy was the last one that went to see the morgue attendant who gave her the information about the T. Carter visit.

Susan Darcy was the first one to find the attendant's body at the house.

Susan Darcy seemed to want to make Jane say Red John was alive and when he did, she just walked away. She only wanted to know if Jane believed Red John was alive, not the team. Why? It seemed like she was gathering info for RJ!

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As for RJ being many killers in the cult and not one individual...that might work if it was like the Dread Pirate Roberts or something where one RJ retires and a new one takes his place. However, I don't think anyone of us would be satisfied with anything less than a final showdown between Jane and THE RJ, between good and evil. And you can't have an epic encounter between Jane and a committee of Red Johns. Having many RJ's doing different killings and crimes just seems majorly anticlimactic and a cop out.




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