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February 26th, 2013 2:15 PM
because I didn't understand what it was about, timoty carter showing up there and what if Jane hadnt heard the phone/found out about him? what was his plan? why was he there? there wasnt even a message for him and he had a gun. mmm I thought the end didnt make much sense and at the same time we didnt know that man and Heller said we did know him so from that point of view I'd say they didnt mean it to end like this (I mean the real end of the show) but then why?
February 26th, 2013 2:11 PM
thanks Bonaduz!
When I watched S03 finale for the first time I basically didn't know who RJ was or anything (as I hadnt seen many TM episodes before) but got caught in the suspense of the epi etc. Then rewatching it made me think about all this. If RJ knew that Jane was going to be at the mall with Bertram, then he must have had spied on him but how? Is it Grace who told O laughlin who then called RJ? who did RJ know?? I think TC was just a minion and he probably didn't kill jane's wife and child, RJ must have told him details to turn the knife in a bit more. But I do believe there was a last minute change of plan from the writers/producers.
February 26th, 2013 2:05 PM
Mimi: first - wish you the best of luck with the euromillion! fingers and toes crossed :-)
Timothy Carter: Is he a RJ minion? I guess he was. And maybe he is the one that killed Jane's family. RJ sent O'Laughlin with Grace to kill Hightower, but at the same time probably kept an eye on Jane, either by watching Jane himself or by watching him through another minion (CBI Ron?). Then he sent Carter to the mall to taunt Jane. BUT - why did Carter turn his back on Jane? He (or RJ) should have expected that Jane would want to kill the murderer of his family. Was RJ willing to sacrifice Carter, just to see what Jane would do? Was Carter that much under RJ's control that he played the game? Or maybe the writers did change things at the last moment! Whatever, it was a gripping episode nontheless!
February 26th, 2013 1:29 PM
Im watching the S03 finale and wondered, how did Timoty Carter know Jane was going to be at the mall? what was his intention? as we know he doesnt want to kill Jane (although he's got a gun) or was it the writers' intention at first but then because they could have another season, they changed the end? like it was RJ but then season 4 was accepted so they changed it?
February 26th, 2013 12:53 PM
KM I know that it was not necessarily an excuse. I can relate to what you said.
I hope we get to have another season. fingers crossed!
February 26th, 2013 12:51 PM
I think if one of the team had to be RJ it would be Cho, also because he knew the poetry tyger tyger.. but don't think it's any of them. also we know less about Cho than Rigsby.
February 26th, 2013 12:23 PM
@ Mimi,
Thanks, love. My health, despite the exhaustion of being a caretaker, is fine. No. I was not offering an excuse. My statement was factual and fitting with both my attitude and outlook on life in that moment. I have clinical and philosophical look on life. So no worries. I don't mind hearing the physical admiration for Mr. Baker. I do think him a lovely packaged human appearing both bright and kind. I envy him his surfing prowess. I come here for the story. The Mentalist is delightful piece of a fiction and I enjoy the escapism. When the time comes, I will be sorry to see the end. I hope it is a grand one, with heaps of drama and human emotions and love.
February 26th, 2013 12:08 PM
Interesting theory on the symbolism in Devil's Cherry being put forth here.
I see Rigsby as the opposite of Red John, so if it his him then it would be one hell of a surprise. Seems odd to me in Season 1's finally that he was with Cho identifying Dumar buying the elephant when Red John was sipping tea and watching Dumar encourage Jane to go down the trap door to the basement. Seems that any time we have a sighting of Red John or a body part, Season 2 finale or Roy sipping tea while at Roselyn's, Rigsby can be accounted for. Hence, I'm not sure about Jane's hulicination with the maid and eagle claw and its meaning. It could have been specific to the case, meaning that Jane would figure out it was the neighbor.
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February 26th, 2013 11:47 AM
I think Jane's favourite phrase is "Liar Liar Pants on Fire" :-D
February 26th, 2013 11:47 AM
hi bonaduz! Ive just played the euromillion, having my fingers crossed :-)
February 26th, 2013 11:18 AM
Mimi: you're welcome! Glad you enjoyed it.
February 26th, 2013 10:10 AM
I can't see Rigsby as the bad guy. He has a violent nature, but as Jane also said in the episode where he was hypnotized, he is also compelled to protect women, which is the reason why the woman that hypnotized him was convincing him to be violent against the men she wanted. I'd say Rigsby is the opposite of Red John. He is easily manipulated (as opposed to being manipulative), he loses control quickly (while Red John always seems to be in control) and he exposes his feelings without even realizing he's doing it. Plus, as Cho said, he is a terrible liar.
February 26th, 2013 9:57 AM
god if it's Rigsby, I'll be gobsmacked! I know it could be him but still, don't think so.
also what about the shake hands stuff then? ok Lorelei could have lied..
February 26th, 2013 9:20 AM
And remember when Rigsby was hypnotized -- Jane always says you can't be hypnotized to do something that's not in your nature. Rigsby was easily manipulated to try and kill that NLP guy and then, in the next moment, to try to kill Jane. While I don't totally agree with Jane's statement, it is his statement and therefore a working premise for the who. So, Rigsby has murder in his nature, by Jane's own estimation.
February 26th, 2013 9:04 AM
@hc thanks for the info about Devil's Cherry director. I rarely pay attention to that, unfortunately. Zisk did a terrific job!
February 26th, 2013 9:00 AM
Good points, @huisclothes. Makes it kinda spooky about Rigsby. Still drinking my first coffee. Wondering dully if he has ever given himself away or clued us unknowingly.
February 26th, 2013 6:39 AM
btw Bonaduz thanks for the epi suggestions! 3*15 was an epi I only watched once I think and I loved it! :-)
KM we don't owe anyone any explanation of why we like to come here and have light fun. (regarding someone's comment). I'm sorry to hear about your health.
I do believe we need to be sidetracked from hard situations/moments we're going through and if it means spending time here saying how Simon is hot, then be it! that doesn't make us shallow.
February 26th, 2013 4:12 AM
wow so interesting guys! Ani love your theories! I also love that episode, one of my favourite, so deep and full of symbolisms.
thank you for the video! argh amazing ad!
February 26th, 2013 1:49 AM
simon directed red sails in the sunset. (my favorite this year.)
randy zisk directed devil's cherry.
February 26th, 2013 1:44 AM
love devil's cherry. like all the best mentalist episodes, it's put together like a swiss watch. interesting what you're saying about rigsby. i have been babbling about the genetic component of murder -- remember my crackpot "stiles is rj's father" theory? and my disappointment that dr. sonia kidd's expertise didn't give us some clues about the urge to kill? well rigsby actually is the son of a killer. laroche found this very significant. don't have an opinion on jane giving him the claw and certainly the hallucination/dream was jane communicating to himself. as they say, the dream is constructed to keep the dreamer asleep. if the symbols cut too near the knuckle, you wake up. of course patrick was drugged and couldn't wake up. one more thing, in crimson hat, rigsby is 34. 25 years ago at the elliston ranch, he would have been 9. "some kid painted the face." don't think it's him but this is fun fun fun.
February 26th, 2013 1:44 AM
Ok, on that, I'm outta here. Hollywood is pissing me off!
February 26th, 2013 1:41 AM
Simon Baker is some what like his Jane character. He will keep going until he succeeds. He has already earned his place and it's about time Hollywood recognizes that! Give Simon Baker something worthy of him! I would buy a hand full of tickets to see Simon Baker in a Epic movie! So would a lot of other people! What the F***k is Hollywood waiting for, Anyway! What! Do they need a consultant to do the math!
February 26th, 2013 1:31 AM
Ok, I'm trying to go to bed butttttt..... now that you mention it! That is the problem with Simon! Sexy, yes! But I am also attracted to his ability to show how hard he has worked. It does come across on the screen. I think he is one one the best actor's out there. I think he needs to stay true to himself and not let hollywood define how we see him on screen. I believe a lot of the movies we have seen him in are products of someone else not Simon. We have not seen the depth and scope of who this man is yet. I think Simon will invest in himself eventually. I, am looking foward to it. He is OSCAR WORTHY!
February 26th, 2013 1:22 AM
I need to take a look at the inside of my eyelids! See you later! KEEP THINKING!
February 26th, 2013 1:17 AM
Yes, he brought the same intelligence, depth and fun to this episode that he brings to his acting. He's a phenomenon and most of the accolades he gets are for his looks. But his looks stun you so bad, it's hard to re-engage the brain hahahahaha