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I've been thinking about "Red in Tooth and Claw" again. Does any one else feel that this episode had an air of the calm before a storm hits? I'm thinking about how considerate and friendly Jane was with the team with gifts, cooperation, etc. There is the whole poker as a metaphor for both life and the hunt for RJ too. Whose indebted to who, and the more obvious who is faking, bluffing, has the upper hand, etc. It was a good episode for inner team banter and relationship. And it was good to see Jane shifting his debt to Bertram for getting his charges cleared in 5*1 to gaining the upper hand through the poker tutorial. And, all this talk of Jane's obsession really makes you think about the victim, Linda, and her life's work. She studied flickers and she was good at banging away and solving problems. Just makes you think about everyone else. Jane and RJ. Lisbon and police work...

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@estatica and @katempw

The preview was just now on CTV. She deffinitly says "guessing"!

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You are right about Red John, he well not go willingly and no doubt be killed. I just don't think Jane needs to do it. I think Red John took Jane's soul and that's why Jane is fighing so hard, it's to get it back! Red John stripped Jane down to his socks. I think that Jane not even grieved his family propely and that's why he cried the way he did when K. Frye said what she said to him. It wasn't so much what she said but the fact that she actually made him think about his family without being angry and bent on revenge.

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@Watcher I'm pretty sure she said: "That's not police work, that's guessing." to which he replied "you should try it sometime". They both sound like they're on the verge of falling off again. Perhaps they're preparing us for 5x16? I can't wait! *bounces*

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@antraward1 After we've seen what RJ is capable of, there's no way I would trust it to the police/investigative services. How many years has RJ been on the loose, plying his nasty craft and indulging his nasty urges, with impunity. He has shown that he can reach into any organization and achieve his ends. With impunity. As easily as Bret Stiles got Lorelei out of a federal penitentiary, I would never believe, at least in the world of TM, that Red John would ever be contained in prison even if just long enough to be executed. I feel Patrick Jane knows this in his bones. He can't leave it to justice with his help. He can't leave this to others. And RJ will torture Jane and kill his companions and colleagues for Jane's entire life. Nope. I view this as a righteous kill. Even Bosco came to see that and told Jane to do it. There's no other way. If the authorities kill RJ first, fine. Otherwise, Jane's got to do it.

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@katempw- Just watched it again. I can't tell for sure, but it could very well be "guessing". Guess the fact that my brain wanted to hear kissing says something about where my head is!

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I know we all like Jane and we are on his mission with him. Butttt.........! We have to go in with our eyes wide open! Jane is engaged in the act of premeditated murder! What happened to his family was tragic indeed but do we want our hero to become a murderer for the sake of revenge. Or does he need to stand down and let justice take it's turn with his help.

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@katempw Listened to that section two more times and it's hard to tell just from the word. But. Before Lisbon says That's just ki/guessing, she says That's not police work. That lead in makes more sense for That's just guessing. It makes it even more puzzling why Jane would be so venomous in his return, You should try it sometime. Now his response really doesn't make a lot of sense because surely he knows that police work has a lot of guesswork in it. Good observation. Can't wait to see the episode. Welcome, btw, glad you jumped in.

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Now you know that Jane will lie, cheat, steal and kill again if he has too to get Red John. I think it is a very interesting thing that he is doing. He is quietly methodically and diabolically wating until the day he can kill Red John. That is why Bret Stiles said "you are quite the apprentice." This is also the very reason why Jane is being compared to Red John. You are just like him! Jane grew up not believing in the justice system, what kind of justice do you really think he will dole out at any given time? This is the part of Jane I always wanted to know about but the writer's keep this side hidden. They hide the biggest part of his personality with humor.

Katempw

I have been reading all of your posts over the past few weeks and really enjoying them. Big fan of TM and like all of you really hope this season is not the last. Just thought I'd weigh in on the 5x15 CTV promo: Is it possible Lisbon says "that's guessing" (not kissing)? That's how I heard it ....




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