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also what I wanted to add is, I guess we see the show through our individual prism-according to how we feel, what we have experienced etc.. I've been a "too nice" person all my life, I would be stomped over by others, taken for granted, not so much respected at times and I see everyone as "good" meaning even the most evil people on earth I'll still find sthg good in them and so I'm learning to respect myself more and impose myself more, but percieve the show with my prism so I see Jane as a good person and can easily zap out the rest of him that is not so lovely. dont know if that makes sense. and so if I were in the show I guess Jane would pick easily at me, I'd be the perfect victim. Although sometimes Lisbon also lets him stomp all over her! too nice!!

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@ Watcher,
I agree you said it better. Specifically the tipping to the negative. His obsession is not an excuse.

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KM and watcher, yes well under that angle I quite agree with you. About wainwright I totally forgot they never mentioned him again!
I tend to get stuck with the nice things he does rather than the bad stuff. but ok I have to agree he can be a son of a b*h. I guess I'm biased..

right off to bedx

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@ Mimi,
I did not see your correction. We are mostly on the same page about Jane's selfishness. But, I do think that I may see Jane as being more selfish then you do. He takes a little too much pleasure in hurting people to be only selfish with regard to RJ.

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I think Jane is very selfish. I like him much less than I did in earlier seasons. While he has suffered greatly, that doesn't give him carte blanche to do whatever he deems necessary to catch Red John without worrying about how it hurts innocent people. Lots of people have suffered great personal tragedies. Most of them don't do the types of things Jane has done as a result. He doesn't worry about how his actions impact the careers of the team. He doesn't seem to even care that Wainwright is dead- at least they have never shown us that. He lies to Lisbon constantly. He really is not a very good friend most of the time. I'm not saying he is evil. He does have redeeming qualities and can be kind and generous-when he wants to. I'm just saying that lately I see the scales tipping to more negative qualities than positive.

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@Entwife,
Was it a KISS, a peck on the cheek from a grateful family member of the victim, or a blown one? It could be that Lisbon has had it with some cocky behavior he exhibits right before the scene. Or is he pushing her again? We'll need to see. It will serve him right if Lisbon gets involved with someone else, but I think the writers will play that card with Wayne and Grace again. I'm off to class. Cheers.

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@ Mimi,
I have to say that I disagree with you. People are neither an either or an or, they are both. Jane is both selfish and compassionate. And, sometimes his compassion is rooted in his selfishness. Other times his selfishness is his only means of kindness. At times he is truly beautiful and at other times he is really ugly. Sadistic and cruel Jane is ugly. Jane made his living, pre CBI, manipulating and lying to his "patients" for fat checks. He went on TV and angered Red John, his selfish puffed pride resulted in his wife and daughters death. Jane had Lorelei released from prison for selfish reasons. What about justice for Wainwright's family, she share responsibility for his kidnapping and death? And, in 5*16 she is kills a woman. And, Jane shares in the responsibility for the woman's death. Red John brings out his selfishness because he is obsessed.

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Sure could be Vanessa Ray, too @KM, much lesser character judging from her place on the list. Hahaha. Just had a little scene run through my head, must be a lot of women's fantasy about Simon Baker. Alone in the elevator with him. Just get a nice kiss -- and he cooperates. Only the scene is like a no-further-comment inside joke about women swooning for Simon Baker only it's Patrick Jane. And Lisbon doesn't like it. Am I completely insane? Is the thought the insane part, or repeating it in public lol?

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My thoughts exactly @Mimi. Not only did Jane not look nice when he said it, Lisbon didn't look like she took it as nice either.

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sorry my typo meant he chose RJ over the others




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