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Jane: This is Red John. Lisbon: How can you tell? Jane: Because when it's him I can feel it.
March 21st, 2013 11:50 PM
@Watcher I really like your cancer idea. And Jane can cut his morphine line. Yeh.
March 21st, 2013 11:48 PM
I won't be satisfied until Red John is not only dead, but really most sincerely dead. I want to see him in bits. Or his tongue black and hanging out of his mouth. Or his head 3 feet away from his body. Or a pile of ash but with teeth that can be positively identified as his. Does anyone really believe his power will end by being put in prison? I don't. He's shown that with his minions time and again, he can reach anywhere. If he's alive, or there's any doubt, Patrick cannot go on and have a life. I don't think the writers would do that. And if they do, I curse them forever. My preshusssssssss.
March 21st, 2013 11:44 PM
@ bonaduz,
Maybe it is better to say that RJ the man can die, but the specter he represents cannot. But, I'd rather think of death has my friend, a stunningly beautiful man, who someday will come kiss me.
March 21st, 2013 11:41 PM
I may have said this before, but I really want Red John to die a natural death. Perhaps be in a fatal car accident driving home from a murder, and having the police find his knife and some bloody clothes and tie everything back to Red John. Or, even better, have Jane get a call to go to the hospital, and find RJ on his deathbed, suffering the late stages of cancer or some other disease. Let RJ thank him for keeping his final years interesting and giving him something to live for as his disease progressed, and then die peacefully as Jane watches. I think these would be dark ending, but I would love them. It would show that death claims everyone, and death always wins in the end.
March 21st, 2013 11:39 PM
@ bonaduz,
No medals, a couple of 4th places. Lots of personal records. The eldest ran the 3000 meter in a little over 11 minutes, not bad for the first time.
Don't know. Maybe Teresa will be right. It will happen as she said. She said that she'd be right there with him and would see to it that he does not harm himself by doing something foolish. Maybe it would be worse psychologically to the Tyger to be captured and locked away? Or maybe the Tyger is not the angel of death he believes himself to be, but like all things born will decay and die. RJ can symbolically represent death and die. He may just represent the random cruelty of young life ended to soon. Not the final journey of the old and wise which can greet death with a welcome handshake or a beautiful lover waiting for a final kiss.
March 21st, 2013 11:28 PM
@rationalgal I don't think Mashburn is RJ -- he just doesn't have the disposition for it. He's really as sunny as Jane. I'm sure he has his dark side, but I'm like you, they'd better start showing it if he's to be believable as RJ.
@KM I just love how Jane thinks of Lisbon! Cute as a button pocket rocket. So cool. Makes me smile. :-)
@bonaduz wow, interesting, of course no one can kill death in that sense. But in the other sense, RJ is a man in the show. I couldn't stand it if he wasn't totally and decidedly destroyed. Because Jane would never be able to have a life then. I would venomously hate that.
March 21st, 2013 11:21 PM
Good evening all!
@KM - how did your kids do yesterday at the track and field? Hope they won some medals! :-)
@Entwife and @KM - after listening to the radio interview with Bruno Heller, where he says that RJ really symbolizes death, how CAN Jane kill him? I hope it turns out different in the show, but I was thinking about it today in my 6 hour car ride to town and back!
March 21st, 2013 11:18 PM
@Entwife,
All true. It would be exciting to watch though. Patrick would have to have his "cute as a button. pocket rocket" on standby, very near, with some hollow point harpoons.
March 21st, 2013 11:13 PM
@KM Wish I knew more about belladonna and what a tolerance would look like. I do know that the difference between a hallucinogenic dose and a fatal dose is very small. Very dangerous substance, especially since the potency would vary plant by plant, be hard to ever know what you've really got. Agree, though, RJ deserves no mercy. Be pretty clean just to make sure he gets an extra strong dose of that tea. It might be hard for Jane to know what dose he's actually giving himself. And he would be quite incapacitated if hallucinating and suggestible himself.
March 21st, 2013 10:56 PM
@Entwife,
But, if Patrick is dosed as well than he has a cover. The authorities can say both were poisoned, but only one was drove to madness by their hallucinations. Hence, why Patrick would have to have some tolerance. And, it would add another level of suspense for the audience. If Patrick succumbs then he would be at RJ's mercy. RJ succumbs and he is at Patrick's.
March 21st, 2013 10:27 PM
I would love to have Jane manipulate RJ into boring his own stomach out! He deserves it. He put himself within the circle of his own destruction. Let's have some justice here! As Jane said, there really isn't any difference between justice and revenge. One is just more orderly than the other. (I also loved how Jane buried that one creep alive, temporarily.) Of course, it depends on who RJ turns out to be. If it's the lizard lawyer, bore away! If it's Mashburn, I could bear it only if Mashburn was shown to be a Jekyl-Hyde character and became totally despicable. Still wouldn't like it though.
March 21st, 2013 10:11 PM
i dont think Pathick would so far as to make RJ saw his own stomach out, i think thats what separates him from RJ. but they have been saying the character is going to get darker and darker this season, so who knows?
March 21st, 2013 9:16 PM
I tend to agree @KM -- it looks like a style they might use in one of those upscale ads he's done instead of how our Patrick has always looked. That would be a great twist btw. The neighbor got the jeweler to bore into his own stomach with a drill on belladonna tea. Patrick could dose RJ (but not himself) and make RJ kill himself. Insidious! And within Patrick's skill set. He probably wouldn't do anything quite so gory, but still I like it.
March 21st, 2013 9:08 PM
I think Patrick looks more like a cherub with tossed curls. In away he is looking more like his stage persona with the blown out hair.
March 21st, 2013 9:06 PM
Cont.
Obviously the tea would have to be laced with something. Belladonna comes to mind, because they alluded to Patrick's continued consumption. Of course I have no idea if one could develop a tolerance to it, so as to give him an upper hand.
March 21st, 2013 9:02 PM
@ huisclothes, -Thank you. I went to the fishmonger for some salmon for him. You impress me as well read, so not surprised. The definition was for others who may have never read or heard it.
I wouldn't mind seeing Patrick's final showdown with RJ be over a cup of tea. Maybe they can play poker or chess. They can slowly sip, and in the end Patrick who has gained enough tolerance with his consumption that he manipulates RJ into terminating himself. Anything gentlemanly, refined, and a mind f*ck. I'd like to see the tyger caught in a trap.
March 21st, 2013 9:01 PM
I've noticed the changes in Patrick, too, @rationalgal. Just so it's not really Baker being exhausted.
March 21st, 2013 8:58 PM
I've noticed that Jane is looking older due to hairstyle and makeup. I suspect it's to show the darkening of the plots and of Jane's emotional state as the final confrontation with RJ approaches. He's less playful (the "Kansas City" duet a lovely exception) and more thoughtful in a conflicted way.
March 21st, 2013 8:50 PM
!. I think Jane looks best with his hair curly and mussed. 2. Mashburn is my favorite RJ suspect IF he can be connected to Visualize. 3. Simon Baker is a better actor than Cary Grant. Grant always acted as himself (tho doing it very well), only changing outfits and situations, while Simon becomes a completely different person in every role he plays. 4. Jane will use a gun to kill RJ if he doesn't know the exact circumstances of their meeting. Otherwise he will use a clever trap within a trap and manipulate RJ into it, possibly inadvertently killing himself while thinking he is killing Jane. 5. The writers know if the show is being renewed, so watch for plots that either can end the series in May or must go on to the next season (like introducing the new Irish character and no time left to wrap up all the threads).
March 21st, 2013 8:49 PM
freaky, @huisclothes!
Rank: Regular Character
March 21st, 2013 8:44 PM
wanna hear something weird? cary grant was a carnival performer. an acrobat.
March 21st, 2013 8:38 PM
If you're talking about Patrick @Watcher, yes I've been disappointed in his hair cut nearly all season. It does make him look older. And I really liked his wayward curls, they're wonderful and I can't figure out why they'd get rid of them.
March 21st, 2013 8:34 PM
I am always surprised how much difference hair styles can make in a person's appearance, male or female. Just looked at the pictures in the link Estatica posted. I think he looks much better when his hair is curlier and a little messier. When he tries to go for the anchorman look and combs it into submission like he has for much of this season, I think it makes him look much older. What do you guys think?
March 21st, 2013 8:29 PM
Interesting @estatica. He has a diabolical look with those eyebrows slanting up and the mustache/goatee. Kind of like an evil twin Skippy.
March 21st, 2013 8:27 PM
@huisclothes - I could be wrong, but I think most regular viewers, even if not as fanatic as us, would remember Mashburn. I think anybody who has been on more than one episode tends to stand out for people who watch every week, and his role was a lot of fun. That being said, I don't believe it is him, although I would enjoy being wrong. It would be a fascinating transition to watch if, in one scene, he starts out as charming, fun Mashburn and slowly reveals his RJ core.
I totally disagree that he is not charismatic or smart enough to be Red John. I think I feel about the Mashburn character almost like you feel about Jane. He is close to the perfect man, in my opinion.