NCIS Exclusive: Gary Glasberg Previews Tony & Ziva in "Berlin," End of Season 10

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We’ve been patiently (or not so patiently) waiting for NCIS' Tony and Ziva to finally take their relationship to the next level, but this week’s episode looks more promising due to, among other things, the below picture of the twosome (played by Michael Weatherly and Cote de Pablo) in each other’s arms.

I jumped on the phone last week with Executive Producer Gary Glasberg to find out just how close Tiva will get in "Berlin," as well how much newcomer Marina Sartis is going to mix it up with Gibbs (Mark Harmon) and how the upcoming addition of Colin Hanks is going to rock our team.

Tony and Ziva Dancing

TV Fanatic: Let’s jump right to it. In the “Berlin” episode, is Ziva going to find resolution, or is this just yet another piece of the puzzle?

Gary Glasberg: It definitely adds to the clues that she’s collecting, and it’s a big part of understanding how this all comes together. In January, Eli David is killed, we stepped away for a little while and then in "Chasing Ghosts" we discovered that she’s had this private investigation going on of her own. This propels her to going with Tony on a manhunt of their own that brings them to Berlin.

The cool thing about this episode, and I’m really pleased with the way it came out, was there are story elements to what’s going on with Bodnar that are happening here in Washington. So Gibbs and McGee are focused on that and dealing with the new Mossad director, Orli Elbaz, who’s played by Marina Sirtis.

So that’s happening here, and then simultaneously you’ve got Tony and Ziva going off to follow this trail that leads them to Germany. The great thing that happens there is you’ve got this sort of backbone of this continued search and then at the same time these terrific Tony and Ziva moments that are also happening and we sort of take their friendship and their relationship to a different level. So there’s a lot going on.

TVF: So is it safe to say we’ll see Tony and Ziva go to a place they have yet to go in their relationship? Is that safe to say?

GG: By the end of the episode, yes.

TVF: Vance also lost somebody in that big January episode. Is his resolution tied in with Ziva’s or does he kind of have his own thing going on we maybe don’t know about yet?

GG: No, no, it’s all very much connected. There’s a real sort of silent understanding going on between Vance and Ziva in that he’s giving her his blessing to go out and do this. And that blessing, although sort of private and between them, will ultimately come back to haunt him in a way because sending Ziva David off to basically take care of business can open everyone up to ramifications that come later. So, no, he’s a big part of this, and although he can’t run off and do the manhunt himself, he’s absolutely sort of there and involved.

TVF: Is all that going to basically be leading into Colin Hanks character who is coming soon?

GG: It all connects, and yeah. Standard procedure, in the real world, too, is that anytime that you’ve got a case like this is you’re going to have an internal investigation that goes on from the Inspector General’s office. Colin Hanks plays a character named Richard Parsons, who is an independent investigator who’s brought in to sort of dot the i’s and cross the t’s, and of course, that turns into more as well.

TVF: You’ve called him a pit bull in other interviews so it made me wonder is he somebody we should trust or is he possibly a nemesis to these guys?

GG: That’s the fun of Colin Hanks. Part of why I was so excited about it, in casting him, is behind those boyish looks and that smile is someone who’s smart and manipulative and a go-getter and interested in things for his own reasons as well. So I would say, as we move forward, people have to really kind of look for what he’s after as well.

TVF: Talk to me about Marina Sirtis a little bit and of her character coming in.

GG: She plays a big part in this episode, in the "Berlin" episode. In the real world, there’s never been a female director of Mossad, so Marina stepped in and totally brought it to life. She’s strong and determined and focused, and I kind of love it. You can imagine who she was in her younger years and who she is now and she really stepped in here and the cast embraced her and her character works really well. I look forward to seeing where she goes, hopefully bringing her back at some point next season as well.

In this episode, in addition to everything else, at the end, there’s sort of a revelation that happens as to what her connection is to Ziva and that there’s more to their relationship than just sort of animosity and there’s a lot going on. She was terrific.

TVF: She’s dealing with Gibbs a lot in “Berlin.” How does that go?

GG: There’s a lot of complexity that’s going on. They’re both playing kind of political dances, and it’s a lot of fun. He is both intrigued and sort of wary of her simultaneously. So both those themes came out very well.

TVF: Is there a potential for romance there? Gibbs has been kind of lonely for a while…

GG: No, no, that’s not really what we were going after or what it’s about. But you can’t pull the wool over Gibbs' eyes so he recognizes who she is and what she tries to do and how she tries to manipulate things and he’s up for the game, up for the challenge.

TVF: Watching the "Chasing Ghosts" episode, I felt like maybe we were leading up to the finale where our team could be disbanded for what they’ve done. Am I reading into that correctly?

GG: That’s very perceptive of you, Jim. It’s one aspect of it. The big question that comes up is, and this is sort of what you’re alluding to, is not only with this case, but with multiple cases over the years, and a long career of Leroy Jethro Gibbs, boundaries are pushed, lines are crossed, people are watching. He’s got a whole Defense Department behind him that, in theory, people are sort of keeping an eye on things. At some point, that catches up to you and is this case the one that sort of pushes it over the edge?

NCIS airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on CBS.

Jim Halterman is the West Coast Editor of TV Fanatic and the owner of Follow him on Twitter.


I'm only 12 and I was crying after Berlin how could they do this to me I have exams in like a week please! If zivagoes I go but just to be safe I hope she lives GG you need to sit down and think of what you have done first a Tony and Ziva then Bang! Carcrash what the hell is wrong with you if Siva dies I don't know how I could go on and Tony my poor baby lord help Revenge better be the best episode in history because they put me under to much stress one more day just one more and plus that preview for revenge totally scared me the autopsy room with the tray I hope it is Bodar and wait a minute how is Tony And Ziva going to fight if they are injured this is so confusing abby would probably be going through hell I could only imagine and cote de pablo better has sign in for season 11 just another thing to keep me up at night and I heard that wean Murray twin is coming for the 3 episodes he looks exactly like him OMG I hope Tony and Siva get together


I have seen all the comments and according to all my friends and family a new team would be the death of NCIS. If you take away any of the present characters you will loose a huge audience base. I cannot believe in this money driven age of Television that anyone associated with NCIS would even entertain that idea. You have the most popular and best program on television both in the U.S. and the World and with the most outstanding cast ever put together. Get your heads out of where ever they are and don't mess with perfection the consequences will be catastrophic if you decide to go down that road.


who can tell me how believe that react all the team members about the accident?
who you think that the accident come more beaten?{tony or ziva}


So do away with Ziva for whatever reasons, and lose six more viewers in Missouri. Do not break up this team! The best show on network TV, the only one that's clever and smart enough to watch. Give the gal what she wants and we the viewers will give you what you want.


Unless they have Ziva lingering in a coma for the next three episodes, we will know very quickly if she survives the crash and comes back to work. The coming legal action is the impetus regarding who remains on the team. From what I saw last night, nothing they did was illegal or unsanctioned, except not sharing Ziva's idea that they thought Bodnar was in Berlin, which he wasn't. I think it's like Glasberg said, it's a routine investigation after Bodnar is killed and in the course of the investigation, CH's character uncovers a history of bending/breaking rules which takes it's own path.


as i said a few weeks ago. i don't think we know ziva's fate until next season because of her contract status. unless she reups before the final episode is filmed (unlikely). i agree the show would lose its most important member, even gibbs,or tony. just look at the ratings, they really grew with arcs involving ziva. the one where she was captured and rescued in africa come to mind. the producers know what the have and will lose but, unfortunatly money sometimes out trumps common sense. i really hope iam wrong!!


@ Janet yeah a whole new team I would not watch that show. Like you said .20 million viewers like seeing them


With Vance his wife is gone but he has kids he is the only one on the show with a family. Show some stability.


Vance life. Please don't break up this NCIS family


Yep right with the other people. If ANY of the characters die I would not watch it again. I love all the characters has usual Tony is my favorite and Gibbs. So who ever wrote the comment they would not care if Vance is gone is stupid. Ducky Abby
Palmer Ziva Tim are all family. Just like when on Law & Order SVU Elliott {Christopher Meloni} left I stopped watching it. Cause like Gibbs he is irreplaceable. That was just one man {elliott} i stopped watching the show. Gibbs swagger is sexy he still look good. Tony's silly ways and all those McGee words and always eating getting slapped by Gibbs just bring humor. Ducky is adorable just has well is Abby. McGee is all brains who else can hack into things has well has he can and who will Tony call probie and make fun of? Palmer is so intimated by Gibbs is funny to watch.
Vance is starting to get Gibbs ways. Just like when Vance got blown up who did he listen to at the hospital? Gibbs. Rule # 9 always carry a knife and that knife saved his life. When JLC started on the show i was in disgust after they put her and Gibbs a romantic couple{yuck} I would turn my head or leave the room when she came on. Lot of that season I did not watch cause of JLC. And I hated that DJ or CJ woman Barrett for Tony another {yuck} For GOD sake let someone on the show have a family that is what Vance has to
offer. He lost his wife but he still has his kids.
Keep NCIS together.

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NCIS Season 10 Episode 21 Quotes

Ziva: When I have a man, the favors I offer have little to do with clothes.
Tony: That's good to know.

Tom Morrow: What are we proposing here?
Vance: Well with international tensions being so high on this, I'm proposing that we look the other way.
Tom Morrow: You can't be serious.
Vance: I am, Tom. We come down hard on Mossad now, then what happens? Talk to me about wasted manpower if Bodnar gets away after all of this? But understand: this one pass is the last one Mossad ever gets from me.
Tom Morrow: That makes two of us.
Gibbs: Three.