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Castle Round Table: "Watershed"

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The Castle season finale was a "Watershed" moment that could change Rick Castle and Kate Beckett's future.

Here, Castle Round Table panelists of Jim Garner, Chandel Charles and Christine Orlando are joined by Lisa from The 12th Fan Boards to discuss whether Castle should have proposed and what Kate's answer should be next season.

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What was your favorite scene from the finale?

Jim: I loved the look on Espo's face when Kate and Rick both said "it's in the basement" at the same time. Classic!

Chandel: Despite the fact it was a bad idea, I think my favorite scene was Castle proposing, if only because of the look on Kate's face.

Lisa: There were so many great scenes; the argument, the discussions with friends and family, and (of course) the emotional conclusion. But I really loved the interrogation scene at the end because it was, to me, Beckett's final realization about everything that she would be leaving behind. In that one brilliant moment, Kate came to the conclusion that her heart was in New York, with Castle and her friends and family at the NYPD, and ultimately no job, no matter how perfect, could ever be enough to take her away from that.

Christine: I loved the scene where Castle finds the boarding pass. He transitioned from curiosity, to apprehension, to hurt and anger perfectly and he had every right to be angry. Little by little, Kate's small omission became a huge secret and it really blindsided Castle. As much as I wanted them to talk more, at that moment they only would have fought. I thought the scene played out pretty realistically for any couple at that kind of a crossroad.

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Who gave the best advice: Martha, Jim or Lanie?

Jim: Martha gave Rick the best advice for him, Jim told Kate what she needed to hear.

Chandel: I think Jim. He always seems to know exactly what to say to Kate.

Lisa: I thought Martha and Jim made some really great points but ultimately gave them each some bad advise, pushing them to make this decision on their own and for their own reasons rather than together with their future in mind. I thought Lanie gave the best advise overall, calmly and carefully pushing Kate to do the right thing and speak to Castle from her heart.

Christine: Martha. She didn't take sides but tried to make Rick see things from Kate's side as well as analyze his own behavior and she did it without judging either one of them.

Should Beckett take the job?

Jim: Yes! I want to see the show takes a chance and broadens its available cases. Also, Rick's consulted with the government before, so I'm betting he could get himself invited on to cases.

Chandel:  I don't know. I think she would be great at it, but it doesn't really make sense for the show as a whole.

Lisa: No, and I really do believe that she did turn the offer down. There were hints through the entire episode that despite how perfect the job was for her professionally, it really wasn't what she wanted from a personal standpoint. In the end, I think she was heading off to tell Castle that she had turned the offer down and had chosen him and their chance to have a future together.

Christine: Only if she's resigned to having no personal life. Her boss would be someone who sneered at having to make small talk about his boss's family. It's certainly a huge opportunity professionally but taking it would mean giving up most other aspects of her life. That sounds sad to me.

Should Castle have proposed?

Jim: Only took me one year to purpose to my wife and by my math they've been together about the same length if you don't count the three years of dancing around it. I think it was the only thing he could do to show Kate how serious he was about their future.

Chandel:  I don't think so. I think he's doing the grand-gesture thing which skips over the substance of the problems they are having as a couple and forcing Kate to fill-in-the-blanks about how he feels. If they never stop and actually verbalize their feelings now, there's no way they are going to during their marriage. That screams trouble.

Lisa: Absolutely not. I know why he did it and his speech was perfect, proving exactly how committed he really was to their relationship, but the timing of that proposal just wasn't right.  Their time will come but it's not here quite yet.

Christine: No, but I understand why he did. Although I loved what he said, I hated that it was so sad and serious. A proposal should be joyful and I hope we get another one in the future.

Rank this among the Castle season finales.

Jim: Numner-one. Even though I hate, hate, HATE, this type of cliffhanger with every ounce of my being. Even if she had given an answer, there is NO WAY we would not all be back in the fall. It's a needless trope at this point.

Chandel: I think this finale was not quite as heart stopping as some of the others we've seen, but I really love all of the finales from season two on. It's hard to place it in a ranking order.

Lisa: Wow, that's actually really difficult to do. I've loved all of the finales for their own reasons and it's hard to compare them. From an emotional standpoint, I think this was the best yet. But it's hard to ignore the impact that "Always" had or the power that "Knockout" had too.

Christine: At the top is "Always" from Castle Season 4. So far nothing compares to that. Then "Knockout" from Season 3 for the drama and I never saw that bullet coming.  After that? This one. I sort of guessed the ending and although I'm okay with it if it moves the relationship forward, I prefer more joy and less angst. From there? "A Death in the Family" from the first season. I remember watching it not knowing if the show would get picked up for another season! And finally "A Deadly Game" from Season 2. I threw pillows at my TV it made me so mad. I don't think I've done that with any show since.

Will Beckett say yes or no?

Jim: Excellent question. I really hope she says yes. Would love to see her adjusting to being Agent Castle or Detective Castle.

Chandel: I think she'll probably say no. They really aren't at that stage in their relationship. Like I mentioned before, they really need to get better at communicating first.

Lisa: I think she'll turn down the proposal "for now."  Ultimately, Kate just needed to know that their relationship was heading in that direction but she didn't need the ring just yet and the timing simply isn't right for them. So I think she'll turn down the proposal but promise to say yes the next time he asks, hopefully in the midst of a much happier moment for both of them.

Christine: I'm with Lisa on this one. I don't think she'll say no necessarily but she'll say not yet. These two have so much to talk about. They've barely nicked the surface and I sincerely hope we get to hear at least some of those important conversations moving forward.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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Tonya b

If I were Castle, I would probably be a drunk by now if Kate was my girlfriend. To Mr. Marlowe and all the people who think it is okay for Kate to interview for a job in another city and not tell Castle about it, consider this. The supposed reason she did this was because she "didn't know where the relationship was going." By cutting him out of one of the biggest decisions in a person's life, Kate is just proving to him that SHE is the one who doesn't think the relationship should continue. Is he really supposed to believe that she wants him in her life when she is ready to do this without him? Come on now, this is the real world. The proposal that occurred after this behavior was so ridiculous that this might as well have been a cartoon.

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Tombea75 and Donna, I can't agree with you more. Castle did not kiss the skanky reporter who attacked and practically tried to rape him. Look how Beckett behaved afterwards, slamming her door in Castle's face and being mean to him. He apologized profusely even though it wasn't really his fault. Now Kate allowed herself to get in that position with Vaughn, then LIED to Castle about it before finally admitting it. Did she apologize? NO!! She turned it on Castle and claimed that it was his fault for taking her for granted! So Kate thinks it's okay to cheat if your sig. other takes you for granted one day? Wow, he is willing to die for her, but God forbid he play a video game one day and not stop instantly at her command, then he deserves to be cheated on? Bullshit.

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The last three episodes of the year violated most of the rules of good writing. Both Katic and Marlowe have mentioned several times about having the 'license' to be able to have a character act in a certain manner. The writers have made Castle a wimp and Beckett a super woman with no license to do so. If 'Still' has any validity at all then everything thereafter is garbage and can not be excused. Marlowe has set the tone to where the only answer Beckett can give us 'yes'. If she says 'no', then any self-respecting person would pack their bags and go home after such a stunning put-down. Of course, this will fly Over Marlowe's arrogant head. If she says 'wait', it has the same result as saying no. I had watched every episode of this show since the beginning, when I saw the first promos. I have purchased all episodes except five. If the best that Marlowe can do is the arc, he will see his show sink like an 'ark'. Look for a late winter replacement if Marlowe can't get out of this jam.

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in regards to most of us that are too hard on kate-she deserves it and i would say the same if castle said and did some of the things she did.To say the reason kate showed interest in vaughn(and yes she did)was castle not showing interest in her?The order the eps. were supposed to show was(but because of the boston bombing they were switched)"stil",than the vaughn ep.If willing to die for kate and have alexis fatherless, isn'tenough to show kate he's all in,than frankly people are out of their minds-if someone told me in the past they loved me and than willing to sacrifice themselves by dieing for me-that would settle it,i would never question" where are we going"Also castle never kissed the tv repoter,i agree he should have booted her out,but he apoligized,kate never did with vaughn ,rather,made an excusse.

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Kate thought she would go to DC and apply for the job and Castle wouldn't find out about it until she found out if she got the job but wound up hurting him because she didn't tell him and he found the boarding pass AWM is trying to move them forward by forcing them to confront their fears which they never talk about .I hope she says yes to the proposal with the stipulation they don't get married until they work on their relationship and both their fears and Castle tells her he wants her to live with him so they can be together to have conversations about everything they need to work on and about things they don't know about each other. As for the almost kiss Kate had with Eric Vaughn they hardly even touched because she pushed him away I say about Castle letting Kristine the reporter kiss and get all over him in episode 2 and then smile when Beckett called him on it there's no doubt they both love each other but they have a lot of things to work

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All you people are much to hard on Beckett she wanted Castle to talk about their relationship but he never took the hint he took her for granted with ignoring her when she wanted to get romantic while he was playing Xbox he didn't exactly seem like someone who was very interested in her .That's why she thought he wasn't to concerned on where they were going with their relationship so she thought she would find out about the job in DC

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beckett has been in every case. would like to see ryan, espo, and castle solve the bracken involvement WITHOUT beckett - the only mystery she hasn't solved. everyone tells her she's extraordinary for 5 years, even those who don't know her. maybe not needed is what she needs to resolve her"relationship" issues

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Agree Cathy. Both the occasional and long time viewers want to see a TV show that they can believe. They know that in most cases in real life it will not occur, but it should at least approximate real life enough that people can identify with it. Castle had done an excellent job up until the end of the season to that end with the relationship. In my mind, the season started downhill with the 5x20 “Fast and Furriest� episode. In addition, after all this time, for someone to give up a person who truly loves you for a government job is just such a stupid illusion for a storyline. IMHO

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What bothers me most is that the story line has always made sense. Even through the tortuous fourth season missed opportunities we could see a direction. Now the story is skewed. None of it makes sense. Where can it go from here? Viewers hate Kate's selfish and cocky attitude and they hate Castle's immaturity. Season six better be awesome & amazing!

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+Yea from I love you to goodbye Igot a new job. I cant see how they get out of this mess. Unless they do what the writers on dallas did they wrote off the whole season as a dream.Eather way they turned off a lot of the fans. We will just have to wait and see what happens in september.