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Castle Round Table: "Watershed"

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The Castle season finale was a "Watershed" moment that could change Rick Castle and Kate Beckett's future.

Here, Castle Round Table panelists of Jim Garner, Chandel Charles and Christine Orlando are joined by Lisa from The 12th Fan Boards to discuss whether Castle should have proposed and what Kate's answer should be next season.

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What was your favorite scene from the finale?

Jim: I loved the look on Espo's face when Kate and Rick both said "it's in the basement" at the same time. Classic!

Chandel: Despite the fact it was a bad idea, I think my favorite scene was Castle proposing, if only because of the look on Kate's face.

Lisa: There were so many great scenes; the argument, the discussions with friends and family, and (of course) the emotional conclusion. But I really loved the interrogation scene at the end because it was, to me, Beckett's final realization about everything that she would be leaving behind. In that one brilliant moment, Kate came to the conclusion that her heart was in New York, with Castle and her friends and family at the NYPD, and ultimately no job, no matter how perfect, could ever be enough to take her away from that.

Christine: I loved the scene where Castle finds the boarding pass. He transitioned from curiosity, to apprehension, to hurt and anger perfectly and he had every right to be angry. Little by little, Kate's small omission became a huge secret and it really blindsided Castle. As much as I wanted them to talk more, at that moment they only would have fought. I thought the scene played out pretty realistically for any couple at that kind of a crossroad.

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Who gave the best advice: Martha, Jim or Lanie?

Jim: Martha gave Rick the best advice for him, Jim told Kate what she needed to hear.

Chandel: I think Jim. He always seems to know exactly what to say to Kate.

Lisa: I thought Martha and Jim made some really great points but ultimately gave them each some bad advise, pushing them to make this decision on their own and for their own reasons rather than together with their future in mind. I thought Lanie gave the best advise overall, calmly and carefully pushing Kate to do the right thing and speak to Castle from her heart.

Christine: Martha. She didn't take sides but tried to make Rick see things from Kate's side as well as analyze his own behavior and she did it without judging either one of them.

Should Beckett take the job?

Jim: Yes! I want to see the show takes a chance and broadens its available cases. Also, Rick's consulted with the government before, so I'm betting he could get himself invited on to cases.

Chandel:  I don't know. I think she would be great at it, but it doesn't really make sense for the show as a whole.

Lisa: No, and I really do believe that she did turn the offer down. There were hints through the entire episode that despite how perfect the job was for her professionally, it really wasn't what she wanted from a personal standpoint. In the end, I think she was heading off to tell Castle that she had turned the offer down and had chosen him and their chance to have a future together.

Christine: Only if she's resigned to having no personal life. Her boss would be someone who sneered at having to make small talk about his boss's family. It's certainly a huge opportunity professionally but taking it would mean giving up most other aspects of her life. That sounds sad to me.

Should Castle have proposed?

Jim: Only took me one year to purpose to my wife and by my math they've been together about the same length if you don't count the three years of dancing around it. I think it was the only thing he could do to show Kate how serious he was about their future.

Chandel:  I don't think so. I think he's doing the grand-gesture thing which skips over the substance of the problems they are having as a couple and forcing Kate to fill-in-the-blanks about how he feels. If they never stop and actually verbalize their feelings now, there's no way they are going to during their marriage. That screams trouble.

Lisa: Absolutely not. I know why he did it and his speech was perfect, proving exactly how committed he really was to their relationship, but the timing of that proposal just wasn't right.  Their time will come but it's not here quite yet.

Christine: No, but I understand why he did. Although I loved what he said, I hated that it was so sad and serious. A proposal should be joyful and I hope we get another one in the future.

Rank this among the Castle season finales.

Jim: Numner-one. Even though I hate, hate, HATE, this type of cliffhanger with every ounce of my being. Even if she had given an answer, there is NO WAY we would not all be back in the fall. It's a needless trope at this point.

Chandel: I think this finale was not quite as heart stopping as some of the others we've seen, but I really love all of the finales from season two on. It's hard to place it in a ranking order.

Lisa: Wow, that's actually really difficult to do. I've loved all of the finales for their own reasons and it's hard to compare them. From an emotional standpoint, I think this was the best yet. But it's hard to ignore the impact that "Always" had or the power that "Knockout" had too.

Christine: At the top is "Always" from Castle Season 4. So far nothing compares to that. Then "Knockout" from Season 3 for the drama and I never saw that bullet coming.  After that? This one. I sort of guessed the ending and although I'm okay with it if it moves the relationship forward, I prefer more joy and less angst. From there? "A Death in the Family" from the first season. I remember watching it not knowing if the show would get picked up for another season! And finally "A Deadly Game" from Season 2. I threw pillows at my TV it made me so mad. I don't think I've done that with any show since.

Will Beckett say yes or no?

Jim: Excellent question. I really hope she says yes. Would love to see her adjusting to being Agent Castle or Detective Castle.

Chandel: I think she'll probably say no. They really aren't at that stage in their relationship. Like I mentioned before, they really need to get better at communicating first.

Lisa: I think she'll turn down the proposal "for now."  Ultimately, Kate just needed to know that their relationship was heading in that direction but she didn't need the ring just yet and the timing simply isn't right for them. So I think she'll turn down the proposal but promise to say yes the next time he asks, hopefully in the midst of a much happier moment for both of them.

Christine: I'm with Lisa on this one. I don't think she'll say no necessarily but she'll say not yet. These two have so much to talk about. They've barely nicked the surface and I sincerely hope we get to hear at least some of those important conversations moving forward.

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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There have been rumors that they have already filmed the S6E1 part of the show where they resume at the swings. They claim that to keep the same level of emotion with the actors that it was best to film that part immediately. If this is true, and I have no idea if it is, that is pretty cocky on the part of the writers that they think they will know the response of the viewers to the finale. I wonder what will happen to those plans now that they are hearing about the severity of the disgust being expressed by so many of their hard core viewers? This is not just a mild response, it is hard core hatred. Loud, angry, sad viewers who wonder what the heck happened to our writers! I can't help but wonder what Stana Katic feels about the response to her character.

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Christine, I agree wholeheartedly. In their attempt to put "angst" in the relationship, they went so far overboard that angst would now be welcome compared to what we have. We actually hate a character! Wow. I get the feeling from reading stuff on "Marlowe lovers" sites, that the writers think they can have Kate accept Castle's proposal, decline the DC job, and tell Castle that she was just waiting for a commitment from him the whole time. That is supposed to fix all the "angst" that was created previously and we are all supposed to be happy. If they do that, I think that they will find a lot of pissed off viewers. Even the die hard SHIPPERS don't want it to be that easy for Kate to get away with all the crap she has put Castle through.

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interview ? "She's an actress, a professional liar ..." according to beckett. Season 2 Ep 20

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Christine,you are exactly right on.It should be obvious by now that kate does not love castle,ones in denial if they don't.those last 3 show's do not show a women who is in love.Watershed made this very clear,its more of a dislike she holds for castle than love.I hope she rejects his proposal,because it was so weak and desperate,junior highish.Again in agreement that the writers have backed themselves into a corner-if the last 3 shows were poor and unrealistic with out sounding cynical,i don't see how they can sell(season 6) it to the fans,and make it believable.They made a big mistake-the fans deserve more.

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The problem is that the writers have destroyed 5 seasons of build up in a lousy 3 episodes. They destroyed what should have been the series highlight , the proposal. There was no joy no love just fear and sadness. Nothing of what makes Castle so fun and light hearted. Now Beckett is hated by a majoritly of the die hard fans who are actually the ones who keep it on the air as its ratings are right on the bubble to cancellation.
Maybe a lot of us are over dramatic but thats how invested people are in this realtionship which took so long to develop and now the writers have chosen to minimize it in 3 ( say it with me ) lousy episodes that dont make sense at all.
Now they are deep dug into a corner and i doubt the writers can heal the damage done to their lead actress and the rge perceprion of the relationship. Most now view the relationship as one sided and Beckett is the selfish ice queen who flat out told her dad that a job is more important than a guy who was willing to die for her just 3 weeks ( or 3 lousy episodes ago ).
It doesnt make any sense and was totally unneccesary. They went way too far in creating angst. There was no event that triggered her doubting the relationship. Him playing video games ?? Really ? I mean that is just laughable compared to what Castle has done to prove his love. What has Beckette done to prove her love ? Cant think of much really . Lying to him , dismissing him when he tried to save her from herslef at the end of last season. Now lying again and doubting him for no reason. Dismissing him in favor of a job. Letting another man come so close to her and sharing intimite details and almost kissing him. Is that a woman in love ? I cant see it and thats why it is so dissapointing for so many fans because this relationship had the portential to be epic . Now its just blah.

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beckett seemed to treat castle differently in season 1 and 2. she would as least listen to him without belittling him. Season 3 started "bashing castle era" to me. He didn't say he'd be back First day of Fall, he said in the Fall. Went downhill from there. Season 5 was worst with last 3 episodes hitting rock bottom. this is not a relationship but a soap opera. had they just met ok but 5 years! they need to write beckett out and bring in someone stable with less carryon baggage AND sell castle's toys at the next "loft" sale

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yes, and this "out of character" writing affected the rest of the episode. beckett's character was so different, i didn't even care about the murder mystery parts. "are you here to annoy me?"

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I think some of the posters here are doing the Beckett character a severe injustice. Is she selfish? Yes. But there are levels and nuances of selfishness in the character that warrant pity, not disdain. Beckett's selfishness isn't borne of the "everything's about me" attitude that generally accompanies this description; it's rooted in her anger about being so violently robbed of her mother, years of uncertainty about the crime, her ability to solve it, and the insecurites that all of that brings. I understand where she's coming from. More importantly: I think Castle does too. That's why he proposed, with no conditions on her decision. She's selfish alright, but lighten up a bit.

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A thought for commentators - I would LOVE to see an interview with Stana Katic where she is asked what she thinks about the tremendously negative response that has been created by her character in these last 3 episodes. Does she think that it is warranted? Is she bothered by the fact that a lot of loyal fans will spend the summer hating her Beckett character? Does she feel that the damage done to her character can be repaired in a believable manner by the writers in the upcoming season? And to Nathan Fillion, how does he feel about his character being reduced to the clown man-child in the last 3 episodes? Does he think that the damage done to both characters can be fixed in a believable manner in the upcoming season?

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Samnantha, I agree with you and I think that 95%+ of viewers do also. I think that the writers intended to produce an angst level of 9 or 10 (on my volcano scale of 1 slow flowing Hawaii to 10 Mt. St. Helens) and what they actually produced was a 15. They went WAY overboard with their portrayal of Kate as the selfish ice queen. She went from a beloved character to a bitterly despised character overnight. Many people have said that they don't care if she says yes or no. The only reason I would disagree would be because I want to see how the writers plan to dig themselves out of this deep hole. If they start S6 with and easy way out for Kate, I will quit watching too. It will have show serious groveling by Kate (see the >400 comments in Sad Faces section) for me to feel satisfied.