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Supernatural Round Table: "Devil May Care"

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Supernatural fans bore witness to Abaddon's rise to power this week, as "Devil May Care" focused on the return of this redheaded knight and her plans for Crowley.

Was our Round Table team of Carissa Pavlica, Sean McKenna and Alice (from Winchester Family Business) happy to have Abaddon back? Do they want to see more hunters akin to Tracy? And what is their take on Dean's speech to Kevin?

Gather around below and join in the lively Supernatural debate...

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What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Carissa: Ezekiel shining his angel though Sam was great. I can still remember the first time we saw Cas do that and the visual still packs a punch - especially coming from one of our beloved Winchester boys, even if it's via angel possession.

Alice: No contest, because it was the most badass thing we've seen on Supernatural in a while.  The demons knock Sam unconscious but unbeknownst to them (fine, Sam too), he's got an all powerful angel hiding inside.  Ezekiel kicking ass with the blue eyes, golden glowing light and extended wings in a Sam meatsuit rocks!  I especially was floored by how damaged Ezekiel's wings were.  He and Sam really need each other right now, don't they?

It's not just that, though. I loved Dean having a talk with Ezekiel afterward, spilling his guts about the burden he's carrying not just for stopping Sam from closing the gates of Hell and letting demons continue to hurt people, but not telling Sam he's possessed by an angel.  The poor dude is really being eaten away by guilt and it's very sad he can't share that burden with Sam.  And yes, Ezekiel was right, he did it all for love. Admit it, Winchester!

Sean: Totally agree with Carissa and Alice. There's always been something cool about seeing those angel wings and Ezekiel/Sam extending his broken ones while taking out three demons at once was fun to watch. Supernatural Season 9 is shaping up nicely so far.

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Are you glad Abaddon is back?
Carissa: No. I've never liked her. I love me a sassy redhead, but she doesn't fit the bill. She over-acts, seems more harmless than harmful and is rather boring. She's probably my least favorite demon they've ever encountered on the show so bringing her back is doing me no favors.

Alice: Hell yes! She's old school, bringing back the days demons were brutal, ruthless savages causing terror and destruction, not salesmen. She's hot tempered (it's the red hair, trust me) and even the red color of her fingernails creeps us out!  She's also smarter than the average demon, so she's not going to go away easily.  I'm looking forward to seeing her and Crowley have evil showdowns in the future.

Sean: I'm interested to see the story set up for her this season. She's a bit over the top, but for now I'm OK with the sexy redheaded demon as another cog in the Winchester's array of problems. It's always enjoyable to see the demon hierarchy and I'm on board with her causing some havoc. That confrontation with her and Crowley should be entertaining.

Do you think Abaddon will ever possess Dean or kill Crowley?
Carissa: If by possess you mean have Dean in the sack? That might be fun to see. He's always been rather sexless and afraid around women, so that might be the one thing that would give her some spark - trying to turn Dean on. If the powers that be ever kill off Crowley in favor that Abaddon I'll take serious issue. She doesn't have nearly the entertainment value found in Mark Sheppard.

Alice: I've often wondered why Dean has never been possessed. Nine seasons he's avoided that. Is that just dumb luck, or is there a reason for that? I would think he's un-possessable or something, but then I remember how easily he fell to ghost sickness and possession by a Spectre, so why can't it happen with a demon or angel?

I'm sorry, what was the question? Oh, Abaddon. Possess Dean, no, especially with good old buddy Ezekiel around. Plus Crowley will never be killed, because he's too awesome.

Sean: Sam's been taken over by both Lucifer and Ezekiel, so what if Abaddon took over Dean? I find the concept interesting, but I also enjoyed the tension between Abaddon and Dean. Fight or make out? Pick one, guys. Also, Crowley is Crowley, and I have a hard time picturing his actual defeat and demise. He always finds a way to pop back in.

Would you want to see more new hunters like Tracy?
Carissa: It would seem that with the portal being opened last year we would have met a lot more already, kind of like all the extra slayers that were spawned on Buffy near the end. I liked Tracy. Not only wouldn't I mind seeing more hunters, I'd like to see more Tracy.

Alice: I'd love to see more hunters. I'd love to see more strong willed and cocky female hunters, but I don't want to see Tracy.  She rubbed me the wrong way.  I thought Krissy was better and I didn't care that much for Krissy. I didn't buy her quick turnaround about Sam after harboring all that resentment for so long just because Dean gave her speech.  Hopefully she won't be back.

Sean: I thought Tracy was fine and I'd be OK with seeing her again. With the primary focus on Sam and Dean saving the world, sometimes it's easy to forget that there are a bunch of other hunters out there. I don't want to be overwhelmed with a cast of new hunters, but it would be nice to see some more of them.

What did you think of Dean's speech to Kevin about family?
Carissa: He was saying it from the heart. It's not always easy for them to be touchy feely in their position as they're always on the run and it seems easier to bottle up their emotions so when the expected death blow hits, they're more prepared. Kevin is still just a kid and needed to hear it. How long that one speech will keep him around is another matter.

Alice: I think it comes a little late, but I always say better late than never.  I wasn't all surprised to see Kevin still have trust issues with Sam and Dean, but it's like those were the words that Kevin had longed to hear for a while.  He got emotional!  I'm still not convinced Dean's speech will earn his loyalty forever, but he's at least on board with the brothers for now.  Maybe when he eventually does leave he'll do so without being so pissed off.

Sean: I was glad Dean was able to squash the issue and express the family speech. And I'm glad that Kevin didn't let Crowley go. I just hope that Kevin isn't later swayed with the prospect his mom might still be out there.

What are Sam and Dean going to do with Crowley?
Carissa: I don't know. But, locking him up to stew in his own juices seems to be the right approach. He was flashing back to his near-exorcism and he didn't like feeling the feels at all. That's exactly what they want him to be doing, because it makes him vulnerable. A vulnerable Crowley is one who will be more likely to work with them and not against them.

Alice: I'd like to see them let him go on their terms, letting him loose to fight Abaddon, rather than something go very wrong and Crowley escape. Dean kept him alive for a reason, and that's because he's useful (plus torture is fun).  He's the devil they know, and that can end up working to their advantage. There's also a reason Crowley hasn't killed them yet. He has a soft spot for the boys. Without them, his life wouldn't be as fun.

Sean: Let him watch more episodes of HBO's Girls. They are going to need him against Abaddon, and I'm curious as to just how changed Crowley is from that near-exorcism. He ramped up his bad guy status last season, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he deals with everything this go around. It's not like it's going to be a slumber party full of pillow fights and ghost stories for Sam, Dean and Crowley.

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Just this quick thought before I'm gone, if Dean was so "passionless" as you claim, why would Lisa have been raving about their hot sexual fling to all her friends years later?
And I've never seen lack of passion. I've seen tenderness, caressing, kissing, and gentleness. I guess for you that translates into being passionless, but I find it incredibly hot.

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Anyway, goodbye. At least I know now to avoid this site and read reviews of people who actually watch SPN.

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MK- You can hate me all you want to. The fact is that Carissa LIED. Dean has NEVER been sexless and afraid of women. So you're defending a LIE?
Tells me right there where your head is.
And yes, for the most part, this is indeed a biased panel.But that doesn't matter. Favoring one character is one thing. To have a different opinion is one thing. To state an outright LIE about a character is another. Whether Dean is promiscuous or not, he has NEVER been sexless and afraid of women.
It is highly unprofessional to LIE in a review. But I
The worst of fandom? How about the worst of bloggers!
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discussing the comment, decided to go on an all out attack, posting slurs and snide insinuations about the writers (and another poster). It's pretty hypocritical to accuse someone of bias because they don't say what you want them to say. (And last week, and many times in the past, the favorite scene for three of the four writers involved Dean, so the “It's pretty much a given that at any time in all their roundtables no matter what their favorite scene is always gonna be a Sam one, no surprise there� comment is completely baseless. Perhaps the person who made that comment was too busy spouting irrational mindless hate on the writers to notice that?)

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Re. the ‘sexless’ and ‘afraid of women’ comment, for all Dean’s bravado about women, he certainly doesn't come across as a ‘manwhore’ (and to say that he is does a serious disservice to the character). He seems to prefer the innocent flirting than the outright bedding, and it’s the flirting etc that we see from Dean most often. We've seen him sleep with only a small handful of girls since the show started so he is certainly not promiscuous. We often see him as being hesitant and unsure of how to act with women who are openly forward with him (ie Ellie in Trial & Error). We actually see him as being very respectful, almost reverential, towards women in sexual situations. Given that, his sex scenes can often come across as rather passionless, as we don't see the dominant ‘manwhore’ that his fans are so insistent that he is. It’s unfortunate that the reaction to the comment has shown the absolute worst side of this fandom; posters who, instead of discussing the comment, decided to go on an all out attack, posting slurs and snide insinuations about the writers (and another poster). It's pretty hypocritical to accuse someone of bias because they don't say what you want them to say or they see things different to you. (And last week the favorite scene for three of the four writers involved Dean, so the “It's pretty much a given that at any time in all their roundtables no matter what their favorite scene is always gonna be a Sam one, no surprise there� comment is completely baseless. Perhaps the person who made that comment was too busy spouting irrational mindless hate on the writers to notice that?)

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The Dean Abbadon scene made me uncomfortable more than anything. Abbadon casually talking about violating Dean while killing children is definitely not something that I find hot. I also didn’t like the Kevin Solo scene. I’m sure it was done to show a new badass side of Kevin but in a season which has been full of violation and non-consent so far (Sam has had his body and mind violated, and violation was was suggested in the Abbadon Dean scene), I thought the Major Bates scene went too far. Not only is it likely those photos taken without her consent, they were posted on-line without her consent and Kevin accessed them and used them to get her to do what he wanted. To round it all off, he then demanded that she address him as ‘Sir’ (and insinuated exposure if she doesn’t). Whether that scene was played for laughs or not, it was a step too far in the wrong direction for me. In relation to the ‘sexless’ and ‘afraid of women’ comment, for all Dean’s bravado about women, he certainly does not come across as a ‘manwhore’ (and to say that he is does a serious disservice to the character). He seems to prefer the innocent flirting than the outright bedding, and it’s the flirting and the easy objectification of women that we see from Dean most often. We've seen him sleep with only a small handful of girls since the show started so he is certainly not promiscuous. We often see him as being hesitant and unsure of how to act with women who are openly forward with him (ie Ellie in Trial & Error). We actually see him as being very respectful, almost reverential, towards women in sexual situations. Given that, his sex scenes can often come across as rather passionless, as we don't see the dominant ‘manwhore’ that his fans are so insistent that he is.

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Carissa, Alice and Sean, thanks for the roundtable. I agree with you on much of it. While I was glad to see Abbadon back (and especially in her original body), she did come across a tad cartoonish and OTT in her villainy. Though given that she set her intentions out very clearly in the episode, you can excuse a little OTT behaviour. I guess she wants to announce her presence in a loud and memorable way. However, if it comes down to a showdown between Crowley and Abbadon, I’d put money on Crowley. I also agree with you on your favourite scene. It was the double whammy of the eyes along the wings that did it for me. They looked amazing because even though the wings looked really torn and tattered, they also looked pretty powerful. Tracy really didn’t do anything for me. She came, she got pissy and then she left. I hope that, if she comes back, she’ll do something a bit more worthy of attention. The Dean Abbadon scene made me uncomfortable more than anything. Abbadon casually talking about violating Dean while killing children is definitely not something that I find hot. I also didn’t like the Kevin Solo scene. I’m sure it was done to show a new badass side of Kevin but in a season which has been full of violation and non-consent so far (Sam has had his body and mind violated, and violation was was suggested in the Abbadon Dean scene), I thought the Major Bates scene went too far. Not only is it likely those photos taken without her consent, they were posted on-line without her consent and Kevin accessed them and used them to get her to do what he wanted. To round it all off, he then demanded that she address him as ‘Sir’ (and insinuated exposure if she doesn’t). Whether that scene was played for laughs or not, it was a step too far in the wrong direction for me. In relation to Carissa’s ‘sexless’ and ‘afraid of women’ comment, for all Dean’s bravado about women, he certainly does not come across as a ‘manwhore’ (and to say that he is does a serious disservice to the character). He seems to prefer the innocent flirting than the outright bedding, and it’s the flirting and the easy objectification of women that we see from Dean most often. We've seen him sleep with only a small handful of girls since the show started so he is certainly not promiscuous. We often see him as being hesitant and unsure of how to act with women who are openly forward with him (ie Ellie in Trial & Error). We actually see him as being very respectful, almost reverential, towards women in sexual situations. Given that, his sex scenes can often come across as rather passionless, as we don't see the dominant ‘manwhore’ that his fans are so insistent that he is. It’s unfortunate that the reaction to the comment has shown the absolute worst side of this fandom; posters who, instead of discussing the comment, decided to go on an all out attack, posting slurs and snide insinuations about the writers (and another poster). It's pretty hypocritical to accuse someone of bias because they don't say what you want them to say. (And last week, and many times in the past, the favorite scene for three of the four writers involved Dean, so the “It's pretty much a given that at any time in all their roundtables no matter what their favorite scene is always gonna be a Sam one, no surprise there� comment is completely baseless. Perhaps the person who made that comment was too busy spouting irrational mindless hate on the writers to notice that?)

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I hope the comment about Dean's difficulty w/women was meant to be sardonic."What show u been watching?" The scene btwn Dean and Abaddon was hot but his comment about the horror that hides in his colon was just not right. She ran her hand thru his hair and threatened to get up inside him-possession. Dean would never give consent and he does have the anti possession tattoo on his chest. Loved his line" We gonna make out or are you going to kill me- I'm getting mixed messages here"(not an exact quote). The premiere got Sam back into the game. Devil May Care set the agenda for the season. Nice flip of the switch by Jared- distinct personality not a repeat of Sam being soulless. Old time humor back with Dean's gesture to protect his man parts against the toxicity in the abandoned town and Sam saying,'It won't help" Classic Sam and Dean. Sorta had a spaghetti western flavor to the episode- Sam and Dean go into a known ambush against all odds, guns blazing. Crowley is the center around which Kevin, Sam, Dean, Abaddon circled in this episode. Great ride.

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Maybe Carissa was talking about Dean from Gilmore Girls.

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I really enjoyed the Dean/Abbadon scene in the end, but I must go for the badass Sam scene. The look on their faces was EPIC.
Agree with Alice. SPN needs to go back to how things were; blood, gore and that kind of stuff - old school the best.
Good point.. you got me thinking about Dean and possession... hmmmm
- Oh and Dean's speech stayed true to the show's roots. I loved it. About Crowley, he should get really laid some time.

Supernatural Season 9 Episode 2 Quotes

Torture? Brilliant. Can't wait to see Sam in stilettos and a leather bustier really putting the S.A.M. into S & M.

Crowley

Abaddon: I so appreciate you boys coming when I call. That's what I like most about you Winchesters. Obedient... and suicidally stupid. I like that, too.
Dean: We going to fight or make out, 'cause I'm getting some real mixed signals here.

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