Supernatural Round Table: "Devil May Care"

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Supernatural fans bore witness to Abaddon's rise to power this week, as "Devil May Care" focused on the return of this redheaded knight and her plans for Crowley.

Was our Round Table team of Carissa Pavlica, Sean McKenna and Alice (from Winchester Family Business) happy to have Abaddon back? Do they want to see more hunters akin to Tracy? And what is their take on Dean's speech to Kevin?

Gather around below and join in the lively Supernatural debate...


What was your favorite scene from the episode?
Carissa: Ezekiel shining his angel though Sam was great. I can still remember the first time we saw Cas do that and the visual still packs a punch - especially coming from one of our beloved Winchester boys, even if it's via angel possession.

Alice: No contest, because it was the most badass thing we've seen on Supernatural in a while.  The demons knock Sam unconscious but unbeknownst to them (fine, Sam too), he's got an all powerful angel hiding inside.  Ezekiel kicking ass with the blue eyes, golden glowing light and extended wings in a Sam meatsuit rocks!  I especially was floored by how damaged Ezekiel's wings were.  He and Sam really need each other right now, don't they?

It's not just that, though. I loved Dean having a talk with Ezekiel afterward, spilling his guts about the burden he's carrying not just for stopping Sam from closing the gates of Hell and letting demons continue to hurt people, but not telling Sam he's possessed by an angel.  The poor dude is really being eaten away by guilt and it's very sad he can't share that burden with Sam.  And yes, Ezekiel was right, he did it all for love. Admit it, Winchester!

Sean: Totally agree with Carissa and Alice. There's always been something cool about seeing those angel wings and Ezekiel/Sam extending his broken ones while taking out three demons at once was fun to watch. Supernatural Season 9 is shaping up nicely so far.

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Are you glad Abaddon is back?
Carissa: No. I've never liked her. I love me a sassy redhead, but she doesn't fit the bill. She over-acts, seems more harmless than harmful and is rather boring. She's probably my least favorite demon they've ever encountered on the show so bringing her back is doing me no favors.

Alice: Hell yes! She's old school, bringing back the days demons were brutal, ruthless savages causing terror and destruction, not salesmen. She's hot tempered (it's the red hair, trust me) and even the red color of her fingernails creeps us out!  She's also smarter than the average demon, so she's not going to go away easily.  I'm looking forward to seeing her and Crowley have evil showdowns in the future.

Sean: I'm interested to see the story set up for her this season. She's a bit over the top, but for now I'm OK with the sexy redheaded demon as another cog in the Winchester's array of problems. It's always enjoyable to see the demon hierarchy and I'm on board with her causing some havoc. That confrontation with her and Crowley should be entertaining.

Do you think Abaddon will ever possess Dean or kill Crowley?
Carissa: If by possess you mean have Dean in the sack? That might be fun to see. He's always been rather sexless and afraid around women, so that might be the one thing that would give her some spark - trying to turn Dean on. If the powers that be ever kill off Crowley in favor that Abaddon I'll take serious issue. She doesn't have nearly the entertainment value found in Mark Sheppard.

Alice: I've often wondered why Dean has never been possessed. Nine seasons he's avoided that. Is that just dumb luck, or is there a reason for that? I would think he's un-possessable or something, but then I remember how easily he fell to ghost sickness and possession by a Spectre, so why can't it happen with a demon or angel?

I'm sorry, what was the question? Oh, Abaddon. Possess Dean, no, especially with good old buddy Ezekiel around. Plus Crowley will never be killed, because he's too awesome.

Sean: Sam's been taken over by both Lucifer and Ezekiel, so what if Abaddon took over Dean? I find the concept interesting, but I also enjoyed the tension between Abaddon and Dean. Fight or make out? Pick one, guys. Also, Crowley is Crowley, and I have a hard time picturing his actual defeat and demise. He always finds a way to pop back in.

Would you want to see more new hunters like Tracy?
Carissa: It would seem that with the portal being opened last year we would have met a lot more already, kind of like all the extra slayers that were spawned on Buffy near the end. I liked Tracy. Not only wouldn't I mind seeing more hunters, I'd like to see more Tracy.

Alice: I'd love to see more hunters. I'd love to see more strong willed and cocky female hunters, but I don't want to see Tracy.  She rubbed me the wrong way.  I thought Krissy was better and I didn't care that much for Krissy. I didn't buy her quick turnaround about Sam after harboring all that resentment for so long just because Dean gave her speech.  Hopefully she won't be back.

Sean: I thought Tracy was fine and I'd be OK with seeing her again. With the primary focus on Sam and Dean saving the world, sometimes it's easy to forget that there are a bunch of other hunters out there. I don't want to be overwhelmed with a cast of new hunters, but it would be nice to see some more of them.

What did you think of Dean's speech to Kevin about family?
Carissa: He was saying it from the heart. It's not always easy for them to be touchy feely in their position as they're always on the run and it seems easier to bottle up their emotions so when the expected death blow hits, they're more prepared. Kevin is still just a kid and needed to hear it. How long that one speech will keep him around is another matter.

Alice: I think it comes a little late, but I always say better late than never.  I wasn't all surprised to see Kevin still have trust issues with Sam and Dean, but it's like those were the words that Kevin had longed to hear for a while.  He got emotional!  I'm still not convinced Dean's speech will earn his loyalty forever, but he's at least on board with the brothers for now.  Maybe when he eventually does leave he'll do so without being so pissed off.

Sean: I was glad Dean was able to squash the issue and express the family speech. And I'm glad that Kevin didn't let Crowley go. I just hope that Kevin isn't later swayed with the prospect his mom might still be out there.

What are Sam and Dean going to do with Crowley?
Carissa: I don't know. But, locking him up to stew in his own juices seems to be the right approach. He was flashing back to his near-exorcism and he didn't like feeling the feels at all. That's exactly what they want him to be doing, because it makes him vulnerable. A vulnerable Crowley is one who will be more likely to work with them and not against them.

Alice: I'd like to see them let him go on their terms, letting him loose to fight Abaddon, rather than something go very wrong and Crowley escape. Dean kept him alive for a reason, and that's because he's useful (plus torture is fun).  He's the devil they know, and that can end up working to their advantage. There's also a reason Crowley hasn't killed them yet. He has a soft spot for the boys. Without them, his life wouldn't be as fun.

Sean: Let him watch more episodes of HBO's Girls. They are going to need him against Abaddon, and I'm curious as to just how changed Crowley is from that near-exorcism. He ramped up his bad guy status last season, and I'm looking forward to seeing how he deals with everything this go around. It's not like it's going to be a slumber party full of pillow fights and ghost stories for Sam, Dean and Crowley.


Ok we get you think the sun shines out of Sam/Jared's a$$ but I would tolerate it more if you didn't so blatantly put Dean and Jensen down with it, there's no need. Guess that's the last time I read one of your reviews. I prefer hearing from people who actually watch the show and not just Sam scenes.


@carly Sadly I think the way to stay in favor with the show and powers that be is to make it obvious you're a Jared/Sam fan above everything else and be all in favor of anything Jared/Sam even if backed up with put downs of Jensen/Dean. Think that's how Cadlymack lasted so long despite stepping on so many toes. Either that or Jensen's done something to piss everyone off. Reviews that aren't biased around Sam with snide comments about Dean are rare these days, even Carver does it :( Still thought better of Carissa though.


Carissa must be a reject from Spn_Gossip.


Wow Carissa I knew you just like the rest are extreme Sam fans but I never thought you'd resort to insulting Dean and the way Jensen plays him. Shame on you I thought you were a tad more professional than that and had a tad more respect for Jensen to.


And it makes me suspect of the others on this panel too, because not one of them corrected her. I KNOW that every person on this panel has a huge Sam bias, but even if they dislike or even hate Dean, how can you possibly take a character of whom a big character trait since the very beginning, at least until recently, was, for better or worse, as a big horny manwhore who was always flirting with women, and then make such an insanely untrue comment like that? Shame on Alice and Sean for not calling Carissa out on her boldfaced lie.


I really enjoy reading episode reviews, but how can you expect to be taken at face value when you make a statement like that about Dean. Sexless and afraid of women? I get the feeling that you haven't actually seen any footage with Dean Winchester in it. Do you think Sam is short and fat? I think I'll stick to reviewers who actually watch Supernatural.


Carissa, I realize, like every other person on this panel, that you are very biased toward Sam, but how you can actually make that ridiculous and extremely UNTRUE statement that Dean is sexless and afraid of women, when EVERYTHING that's EVER been shown on SPN portrays the EXACT opposite? Do you just watch the Sam scenes and fast forward through the Dean ones? You MUST, because Dean friggin Winchester has NEVER been sexless and afraid of women! He has ALWAYS been a swaggering womanizer! I think just this statement totally disqualifies you from being a reviewer because very clearly you have absolutely NO idea what you're talking about!


DEAN sexless and afraid of women?? Are you freaking kidding me?
What show had THIS chick been watching?
And of course, everybody's favorite scene was the Sam/Ezekiel one. No surprise with this bunch. There was no way they were gonna say a word about the smoking hot Dean/Abaddon scene, this biased group.


Dean sexless and afraid of women?!?! I must not be watching the same show. Can't agree with that... Anyway, I'd LOVE to see more Dean & Abaddon, that was one steamy confrontation & one of my favorite scenes in the episode. I'd even love to see Dean get possessed by her for an ep or two... that's something we've never seen with Dean and I think that could be epic if done right. Abaddon possessing Dean could do a LOT of damage. I find Abaddon quite fun. I hope she sticks around a while, and that she's the big bad of the season. I love Crowley, but I feel like he's been on so long he's just not a scary threat for the boys most of the time; Clip Show gets credit for stepping him up a notch though. The new hunters, eh, I like the idea of expanding the hunter universe again but I wasn't wild about Irv & Tracy as characters. The Kevin/Dean speech was very touching. It was something Kevin really needed to hear, and I think Dean knew that, and I think he was being genuine.


Since when has Dean ever been sexless and afraid of women? What show has Alice been watching all these years?

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Supernatural Season 9 Episode 2 Quotes

Torture? Brilliant. Can't wait to see Sam in stilettos and a leather bustier really putting the S.A.M. into S & M.


Abaddon: I so appreciate you boys coming when I call. That's what I like most about you Winchesters. Obedient... and suicidally stupid. I like that, too.
Dean: We going to fight or make out, 'cause I'm getting some real mixed signals here.