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The Mentalist Round Table: "Red John"

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It was the end of an era with The Mentalist Season 6 Episode 8, as Patrick Jane finally came face to face with Red John.

Talk about juicy material for our Round Table team!

Brlow, TV Fanatic Christine Orlando is joined by The Menalist fans Katempw and from Twitter @Nerwin_Aldarion, @Donnamour1969 to find out if any of their Red John guesses were correct and what important questions were still left unanswered.

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Were you right? Who did you think was Red John?

Nerwin_Aldarion: Nope, but I loved being wrong, I was sure it was Haffner but after he died I knew it wasn't Bertram so I was glad it was McAllister.     

Donnamour1969: I wasn't right at first. I hoped with my whole heart Partridge was Red John, but after last week's show, a friend and I figured out it was the sheriff, since Bertram seemed "off" as Red John. The only person "killed" at Jane's house who had a tattoo was McAllister, so I wasn't surprised by the reveal.

Katempw: I never played the game hard, only dabbled. My take changed over time and initially I went with who I wanted as RJ (Stiles, Kirkland) rather than trying to reason out who he would be. In the end (early Nov.) though, I settled on McAllister as the most likely after reading some promotional articles. So I suppose my last guess was right but it was kind of a cheat. And I believe earlier on I said he would be a ridiculous choice :).

Christine: How far back do you want to go? In season one I believed it was Virgil Minelli. But this season I was voting for Haffner until a couple of episodes ago. Then I toyed with Reede Smith. I never really considered McAllister until the explosion in Malibu.

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Were you satisfied with the explanation that Sheriff Tom McAllister is Red John?

Nerwin_Aldarion: Yes, it fit who RJ was, playing the power behind the throne easily.

Donnamour1969: It made sense, I suppose, but he didn't seem evil or charismatic enough to lead so many. I was disappointed it was him. But thinking back on McAllister's first appearance way back in 1x2, it's funny now to think Jane played Rock, Paper, Scissors with Red John--and beat him every time.  Foreshadowing?

Katempw: Yes, I was satisfied and I think Xander Berkely carried it off really well. I liked the banality of evil he and his low profile character brought to Red John. It had the ring of truth and reality to me, in contrast to an over the top larger than life TV explanation and persona — which would have been a safer, easier, more commercial way to go, but insulting to the intelligence of the viewer. I am not at all fussed that every outstanding question wasn’t addressed in those 42 minutes and may never be. That is not important to me.

Christine: Despite my predictions, I actually liked McAllister as Red John in the end. I thought he was a great combination of arrogance, charm, intelligence, and evil and the last few scenes between he and Jane were riveting.

What one question did you want to have answered that wasn't?

Nerwin_Aldarion: Red John's back story, how did RJ become RJ? Who was he originally? What drove him to kill? I so badly want a true origin story 

Donnamour1969: I would like to know more about the Visualize connection. That seemed to be totally dropped. We know Red John and the cult were connected somehow, given "The Red Barn".  I'd like to know just how connected, and how Stiles knew so much about Red John's actions.

Katempw: Oh, that has to be Jane’s list of seven. How did Red John figure that one out?? I am firmly in the there-are-no-psychics camp, so it remains a mystery to me. And I am good with that. An amusing loose end to ponder.

Christine: I, too, would love to know Red John's back story but I really wanted to know how he figured out that list of seven. Like Kate, I'm not buying the psychic angle. There had to be a way he figured out the list and I really want to know what that was. 

Why was Jane shutting Lisbon out? Why didn't he want her involved in the take down?

Nerwin_Aldarion: To protect her and himself, for one if he told her where he was going then Abbott would use her to find him. But mostly it was so she would have plausible deniability, they can't prove she knew that Jane was going to kill RJ. This way she was not aiding and abetting a murderer. This was Classic Jane, keeping her out to protect her.

Donnamour1969: He has always tried to give her deniability, in order to protect her. No doubt he was doing this again.  I like that Lisbon let him basically go (twice) and kill Red John with her blessing, even though until that point it was unclear she really would. I think she finally understood his need and let him fulfill his quest on his own.

Katempw:  Jane had more than one reason to shut out Lisbon but his overreaching motivation was that this was his personal mission. It was something he had to do himself. He didn’t want her, of all people, anywhere near when it went down. He wanted to shield her physically, professionally and emotionally. Especially the latter.

Christine: His goal was to kill the man and despite what Lisbon said on the way to Malibu, he knew if she was involved she'd pay a price both professionally and personally. He didn't want to lay that burden on her. This was his personal vendetta and he needed to carry it out alone. 

What was your favorite scene?

Nerwin_Aldarion: Oh gosh. Jane and Lisbon's talk at the park was amazing, Lisbon at the empty CBI had me in tears but Jane killing RJ was indescribable so I have to go with that

Donnamour1969: There were many. The best was the scene of Jane killing Red John with his bare hands. No matter what his identity, THIS is what the series was all about--Jane finally getting closure, getting a chance to avenge his family as he promised them, not having him chicken out at the last moment and show mercy, not having someone else take that right from him. Simon Baker gave an Emmy-winning performance here, and I hope he is recognized for it. The scene where Jane asked for Lisbon's gun is a close second. Lots of emotion there, and excellent performance by both actors.

Katempw:  There were several outstanding scenes: I loved Lisbon and Jane in the garden, the team standing up to the FBI for Jane, Lisbon standing up to Abbott in the empty CBI bullpen, Jane and the baddies in the chapel, but my favorite — and it was superb, compelling television — was the killing of Red John until my TV screen faded to black. I was spellbound. It was fantastic. Kudos to Mr. Baker and the team for giving us that. I am still reeling.

Christine: Definitely Jane killing Red John with his bare hands. I know some fans took issue with the killing. That either Jane shouldn't have done it or that we should have seen more of McAllister's reaction but I thought it was great as is. Jane did exactly what he said he'd do from the beginning of the show and I don't blame him a bit. And we got to see all of the emotion that ran through Jane as he squeezed the life out of the man. It's not a scene I'll soon forget. 

C. Orlando is a TV Fanatic Staff Writer. Follow her on Twitter.

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I've had lots of picks over the years but I like McAllister as Red John more that I thought I would. Like many here, I'd like to know how Red John figured out Jane's list of 7 and I don't believe he was really psychic. I liked that Jane knew how far the entire CBI team would go to allow him his revenge. It said a lot about how much they cared for him. Unlike some of the other posters here, I really liked the episode. Yes, it left some holes but I still found it a satisfying conclusion. Now I can't wait to see what comes next.

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Tiger tiger,
Stupid plot.
Are their answers?
No, there are not.

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HOW is no one pointing out the obvious - it was the worst episode in Mentalist HISTORY! I don't mind that it was McCallister - but there was no decent explanation for a million questions: 'He is mar'... The list... Why, how, when RJ... Why did Kirkland mention Michael, and kill that RJ lead in the hospital... What's the visualize connect... the Barn story etc etc. Aside from which, the Pigeon thing was ridiculous. Heller expects us to believe Patrick smuggled a Pigeon in from the park, through a conversation with Lisbon, an FBI chase, a hitched ride - and THEN past Cordero who patted him down and found the gun (but NOT a living Pigeon? Come on). He gets shot, point blank, and yet manages to run a marathon after. Then, despite announcing minutes before that he has countless underlings, he makes a standard 911 emergency call shortly before dying? Also, RJ found Patrick - not the other way around. Patrick looked genuinely confused that Bertram wasn't RJ, which is ridiculous. Your Protagonist HAS to beat the Antagonist, not stumble into a cheap victory after being found himself! Dialogue was RIDICULOUS. "Your boyfriend... He's not my boyfriend. that's a shame Theresa", "Don't ask me. She just did" "Tiny little dinosaurs" "You're worse than Cho" (after Grace bangs her head against a window repeatedly? Whadahell? Not even referencing them HIDING in their van in the CBI basement!) Heller promised us the meeting would be 'a battle of wits befitting the two men'... WHAT battle of wits? We're just TOLD that McC is RJ, and that he was a step ahead cos he is in charge of the BA. And the whole, 'I know the list cos I'm Psychic' garbage... PLEASE. It's all - quite simply - an insult to intelligence. I really think Heller was flipping the bird to CBS for some reason (was he let go? Needs the Mentalist to tank before he starts GOTHAM for Fox?). Absolutely pathetic. Heller should be ashamed of himself.

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@ PAT

@PAT that's all i think! There's no reason to think McAllister was Red John, any conections with all the clues, any explanation NOTHING just a man who go with patrick and tell him "i'm red john"... What da fuck? it doesn't make sense. I only have 2 theories:
Brett Patridge fake his dead, cause he's the one with more sense with all the conections and describes of Rosalind.
Or red john is Ellies Mars.
But if McAllister is the real red john, this show is over for me

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Is there possibility that RJ survived the killing? There was one mysterious woman that attacked Jane in the church, that was obviously some accomplice to RJ or BLAKE organization. Can she safe RJ? Personally I preferred to see RJ head smashed as a melon.

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@ David Adamson

Sign to show your disappointment
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@ David Adamson

@ David A. Thank you...you've saved me a lot of writing...couldn't agree with you more. HATED IT...the season finally. Soooo glad this RJ fiasco is OVER. The bullet in RJ and his continuous running; gun under the pew; etc. was a play on our sensibility. I'm peeved with the writers....but love me some PJ. An hour out-of-my-life wasted.

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I'm going to miss Red John it was the only reason to watch the show

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When he met and killed 'Red John' last time it was billed as 'Jane finally comes face to face with Red John'. Frankly they should have stuck there. It was better than this overly long playing out of a storyline. By half way through this season, i couldn't give a stuff who Red John was.

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@Bman7891
what do you think the FBI do then? I feel like the people where being push to end the storyline by the shipper much like burn notices was

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Just under six feet, that is how Rosalind Harker described Red John. I was happy that McAllister was Red John because he was the best match in height, but Jane should/would never have had the list of seven. Bertram and Smith were too tall at 6’ 3”, and Kirkland and Styles were too short at 5’ 9”. That left Haffner at 6’ 1”, Partridge at 5’ 11”, and Mc Allister at 6’. The writers could have used literary license to presume the last three were just under six feet but Mc Allister was the closest. I think it was a horrible story line to have the FBI shut down the CBI. There are significant jurisdictional problems with that and even if there weren’t the FBI doesn’t have the power to shut down state organizations. If they were involved it would be to assist with the investigation of the Blake association which no one seemed to care about.